What does my site look like in Mac OS Safari

A friend I sent to the site reported that the formatting broke down when
he changed the text size. This is not a problem in IE6, IE5 (Mac), FF or
Opera.

http://www.stevegibons.com

Steve Gibons wrote:

A friend I sent to the site reported that the formatting broke down when
he changed the text size. This is not a problem in IE6, IE5 (Mac), FF or
Opera.

http://www.stevegibons.com

I just checked, and when I change the font size, there are problems.

It appears that your layout size is determined by the fonts. In general
this is good, and I like it. However since you have a static image in the
background - the photo, it is causing a glitch.

When the font size is increased, everything except the photogrows
accordingly. This includes the white border around the picture, that looks
like a frame. The photo no longer fills the frame. Any text that appears
in the frame covers the photo flows onto the background grey.

When the font size is reduced, everything except the photo shrinks
accordingly. The frame now appears behind the photo and the lower menu
moves onto the picture, in some cases being white menu on white table
cloth. Any text that appears in the frame covers only the upper left
corner of the photo.

This happens in both Konqueror 3.3.2 and Firefox 1.0.2.

Carolyn
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Carolyn Marenger

Carolyn Marenger wrote:

Steve Gibons wrote:

A friend I sent to the site reported that the formatting broke down when
he changed the text size. This is not a problem in IE6, IE5 (Mac), FF or
Opera.

http://www.stevegibons.com

I just checked, and when I change the font size, there are problems.

It appears that your layout size is determined by the fonts. In general
this is good, and I like it. However since you have a static image in the
background - the photo, it is causing a glitch.

Thanks, Carolyn

I found a few errors resulting from uncommented lines I thought I had
commented, when I moved the site files to the home directory. I think I
have it fixed now, except for one thing. You said that the my 1 point
white frame actually grows. That's weird. The image is now a background
image centered and repeated. I like the effect, though it certainly
wouldn't work for every image. Anyway , if you could have another look
I'd sure appreciate it.

Steve Gibons wrote:

Carolyn Marenger wrote:
Steve Gibons wrote:

A friend I sent to the site reported that the formatting broke down when
he changed the text size. This is not a problem in IE6, IE5 (Mac), FF or
Opera.

http://www.stevegibons.com

I just checked, and when I change the font size, there are problems.

It appears that your layout size is determined by the fonts. In general
this is good, and I like it. However since you have a static image in
the background - the photo, it is causing a glitch.

Thanks, Carolyn

I found a few errors resulting from uncommented lines I thought I had
commented, when I moved the site files to the home directory. I think I
have it fixed now, except for one thing. You said that the my 1 point
white frame actually grows. That's weird. The image is now a background
image centered and repeated. I like the effect, though it certainly
wouldn't work for every image. Anyway , if you could have another look
I'd sure appreciate it.

Ohh, so much nicer! That works well. The image now sticks with the frame
and it all sizes up and down with the fonts. Good work!

Carolyn
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Carolyn Marenger

In news:44177519.2090902 (AT) gmail (DOT) com,
Steve Gibons had this to say:

Way way way off topic but I want to add this. That's simply - code, layout,
script, etc - ****ing beautiful. I don't see a lot of sites that are - I
email owners when I do actually so it's that seldom - beautiful. One thing I
want to add, blind people can't navigate. I'm not blind but someone made me
think of it... Use JUST your keyboard and navigate to the "Send Email" page.


Galen
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http://www.whathostingshould.be - We are what hosting SHOULD be.

Galen wrote:

In news:44177519.2090902 (AT) gmail (DOT) com,
Steve Gibons had this to say:

Way way way off topic but I want to add this. That's simply - code, layout,
script, etc - ****ing beautiful. I don't see a lot of sites that are - I
email owners when I do actually so it's that seldom - beautiful. One thing I
want to add, blind people can't navigate. I'm not blind but someone made me
think of it... Use JUST your keyboard and navigate to the "Send Email" page.


Galen

Thanks! That's great to hear. I couldn't tell if you were saying my site
*was* keyboard navigable or should be, in either case, the site is
navigable by keyboard in FF, IE, and I tested it a little with the
reader called HAL and it's navigable with that. Since a musician's
website is an excellent candidate for browsing by a non-sighted person.

If anyone out there uses a reader and could let me know if the site does
what it ought to, I'd appreciate it.

kchayka wrote:

Carolyn Marenger wrote:
Steve Gibons wrote:

http://www.stevegibons.com
That works well.

Except for the horizontal scrolling, you mean...

The image now sticks with the frame
and it all sizes up and down with the fonts.

Not sure what you mean by "sticks with the frame". The background image
appears to be initially centered within its container, but it repeats.
The edges of the photo don't align like a proper tiling background
would. Where the left and right edges of the photo meet (at the
tablecloth) looks kinda broken to me. I don't find it especially
attractive. :-\

Maybe you don't notice it if you use a smallish text size by default.
Zoom text in Firefox/mozilla up a couple notches and you might see what
I see by default.

that's interesting. To some folks it's broken, some think it's cool. and
some don't actually notice it's tiled, and think the photo is growing
and shrinking, which would be a nice trick, except in Opera.

So far non-web-design people feedback has been from the second and third
category.

Making that photo tile properly seems like a nice project. Anybody here
have some idea how to go about it?

steve

Not sure what you mean by "sticks with the frame". The background image
appears to be initially centered within its container, but it repeats.
The edges of the photo don't align like a proper tiling background
would. Where the left and right edges of the photo meet (at the
tablecloth) looks kinda broken to me. I don't find it especially
attractive. :-\

that's interesting. To some folks it's broken, some think it's cool. and
some don't actually notice it's tiled, and think the photo is growing
and shrinking, which would be a nice trick, except in Opera.

I am in the category of, it works well with that photo. It took a moment to
notice that it was tiled. In my mind that means the photo is a fairly good
one for tiling. If the photo had a blue sky, green grass, and a red fire
truck on the right hand side - the tiling effect would be glaring and
inappropriate.

On my screen, the initial sizing came up with an untiled image. When I
shrunk the font size, the image zoomed in, effectively cropping the photo.
When I zoomed out, it tiled the photo. Since the photo tiled well, it
wasn't immediately apparent to me. I did notice it in a couple of seconds,
but I felt it was ok.

Carolyn
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Carolyn Marenger

Carolyn Marenger wrote:

I am in the category of, it works well with that photo. It took a moment to
notice that it was tiled. In my mind that means the photo is a fairly good
one for tiling. If the photo had a blue sky, green grass, and a red fire
truck on the right hand side - the tiling effect would be glaring and
inappropriate.

On my screen, the initial sizing came up with an untiled image. When I
shrunk the font size, the image zoomed in, effectively cropping the photo.
When I zoomed out, it tiled the photo. Since the photo tiled well, it
wasn't immediately apparent to me. I did notice it in a couple of seconds,
but I felt it was ok.

Carolyn

Great, that's what I think. Anyway what's never going to happen is me
somehow photoshopping the image somehow so the edges match up.

Thanks Carolyn.

Steve

In news:0LURf.4858$Bj7.917 (AT) newsread2 (DOT) news.pas.earthlink.net,
Steve Gibons had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

Galen wrote:
In news:44177519.2090902 (AT) gmail (DOT) com,
Steve Gibons had this to say:

Way way way off topic but I want to add this. That's simply - code,
layout, script, etc - ****ing beautiful. I don't see a lot of sites
that are - I email owners when I do actually so it's that seldom -
beautiful. One thing I want to add, blind people can't navigate. I'm
not blind but someone made me think of it... Use JUST your keyboard
and navigate to the "Send Email" page.

Galen

Thanks! That's great to hear. I couldn't tell if you were saying my
site *was* keyboard navigable or should be, in either case, the site
is navigable by keyboard in FF, IE, and I tested it a little with the
reader called HAL and it's navigable with that. Since a musician's
website is an excellent candidate for browsing by a non-sighted
person.
If anyone out there uses a reader and could let me know if the site
does what it ought to, I'd appreciate it.

Nice, I found it... I had to (in order to nav via keyboard) tab to the
category, enter, tab tab tab tab tab (or just shift tab fewer times) but was
able to get to the email link which is what I used for an example. No, I
didn't email you - of course - but I wanted to confirm that it was possible.
My bad - I didn't notice the links on the bottom the first time through.

It really is beautiful.

Depending on your OS and browser... As you were asking about Mac and using
Thunderbird...

http://mozbraille.mozdev.org/

That has a text-to-speech option with it.

There is, also, this:

http://www.text-reader.com/pagereaderbar/index.html
15 day trial...

See also:

http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=h...435%2fen-us%2f

Galen
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