Some critiques please

I think NS does not support alt tag.
What kind of tooltip you have on mind?

If you are using the ALT attribute (not tag) to show a tooltip on
mouseover, then you are using it inappropriately. ALT is intended
only
as image _replacement_ text, that is, what the visitor gets when
images
do not display for whatever reason.

The correct attribute to show tooltips is TITLE. BTW, IE will show
TITLE
as a tooltip like other browsers do. TITLE can also be used on any
element, not just images.

That is the correct way to go.
Thanks allot

or how talking browsers or screen-readers are going to navigate?

http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/SA_2X.JPG

I do not understand that, please explain for me.
...
(e) I'd suggest you terminate each of the entries Reseller
Hosting

How do I terminate a entries I do not understand what you mean?

and
Dedicated Servers panels with a punctuation mark (comma,
full-stop,
semi-colon) to prevent words being run together when being spoken
by
a
talking browser/screen-browser.

I did not understand, please explain.

Some vision-impaired people use devices which read the page out
loud.
These devices cannot handle images, obviously. If punctuation is
missing,
the reader might run things together you didn't intend.

On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 04:47:49 +0200, steve <NOSPAMstoianstoian (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

How do I terminate a entries I do not understand what you mean?

How would you read this aloud?

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Fantastico Search Engine Submittal The list is endless!

And this?

20 MB Storage, 1 GB Monthly Bandwidth, Your own cPanel, mySQL, Sub
domains, Fantastico, Search Engine Submittal; The list is endless!

Without punctuation, reading devices will run all that together and it
will not make sense.

In message <c4pv4i$9k2$1 (AT) ctb-nnrp2 (DOT) saix.net>, steve
<NOSPAMstoianstoian (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> writes

Some critiques please.

http://www.saHOSTplus.com


[snip]

(c) have you considered how people who load your page with
'image-download' switched off are going to navigate?

[snip]

I do not believe how I can miss the alt tags.
Life's like that. Still, looks OK now, though:

http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/SA_3X.JPG (62k)

or how talking browsers or screen-readers are going to navigate?

[snip]

I do not understand that, please explain for me.

Sure. People with sight problems (and others) who cannot read your page

will use software that will 'speak' the page to them. If there's no
alternative text specified on images (i.e. ALT="......") then the
software can't tell the person what the images mean. If a collection of
images are used for navigation, and there's no ALT="..." on the images,
then the software cannot tell the person what the buttons mean -- and so
the user cannot navigate the site.

Still, you're OK now, though:
http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/SA_4X.JPG (70k)

All images should have alternative text specified.

I agree on that.

[snip]

(e) I'd suggest you terminate each of the entries Reseller Hosting
and
Dedicated Servers panels with a punctuation mark (comma, full-stop,
semi-colon) to prevent words being run together when being spoken by
a
talking browser/screen-browser.

I did not understand, please explain.

OK. Neal's explained this to you in some detail so I don't need to go
over it ;-)

[snip]

regards.
--
Jake

How do I terminate a entries I do not understand what you mean?

How would you read this aloud?

20 MB Storage 1 GB Monthly Bandwidth Your own cPanel mySQL Sub
domains
Fantastico Search Engine Submittal The list is endless!

And this?

20 MB Storage, 1 GB Monthly Bandwidth, Your own cPanel, mySQL, Sub
domains, Fantastico, Search Engine Submittal; The list is endless!

If this text is marked up as a paragraph (or non-semantic div), the
commas would be needed, and not just for the benefit of screen
readers.
However, if it is marked up as a list (which it really is), then
terminators after each item aren't so vital. Some screen readers may
not
vocally separate list items, but that is the problem of the reader,
not
the markup.

FWIW, considering how real users listen to screen readers, the
terminators aren't all that important to begin with, but the markup
should still be semantically correct.

now I have the picture
thanks for explaining to me, I will blame that on my English
thanks allot

In message <c4rr52$2mhvu6$1 (AT) ID-224809 (DOT) news.uni-berlin.de>, kchayka
<usenet (AT) c-net (DOT) us> writes

Neal wrote:

On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 04:47:49 +0200, steve <NOSPAMstoianstoian (AT) hotmail (DOT) com
wrote:

How do I terminate a entries I do not understand what you mean?

How would you read this aloud?

20 MB Storage 1 GB Monthly Bandwidth Your own cPanel mySQL Sub domains
Fantastico Search Engine Submittal The list is endless!

And this?

20 MB Storage, 1 GB Monthly Bandwidth, Your own cPanel, mySQL, Sub
domains, Fantastico, Search Engine Submittal; The list is endless!

If this text is marked up as a paragraph (or non-semantic div), the
commas would be needed, and not just for the benefit of screen readers.
However, if it is marked up as a list (which it really is), then
terminators after each item aren't so vital. Some screen readers may not
vocally separate list items, but that is the problem of the reader, not
the markup.

Which is rather like saying that the little idiosyncrasies with MSIE is

a problem of the browser. Except that somehow I don't think we can leave
it at that ;-)

FWIW, considering how real users listen to screen readers,

Interesting. Please explain.

the
terminators aren't all that important to begin with, but the markup
should still be semantically correct.

--
Jake

In message <c4sg84$2kjsic$1 (AT) ID-224809 (DOT) news.uni-berlin.de>, kchayka
<usenet (AT) c-net (DOT) us> writes

jake wrote:

In message <c4rr52$2mhvu6$1 (AT) ID-224809 (DOT) news.uni-berlin.de>, kchayka
usenet (AT) c-net (DOT) us> writes

FWIW, considering how real users listen to screen readers,

Interesting. Please explain.

I once saw a video of a blind person using JAWS to browse. The user had
the voice speed turned way up, so it was kind of like somebody
speed-reading the page. This is apparently common practice. It's hard to
imagine anybody being able to comprehend the text at that speed, but
then, these folks are accustomed to it.

A real blind user might not "hear" terminators even when they _are_ present.

BTW, that video was not the only source of info, but it was the most
enlightening. I found it at the Trace Center site
http://www.tracecenter.org/>. The actual video can be downloaded from
URL:http://www.doit.wisc.edu/accessibility/video/intro.asp

Thanks. Yes, I watched that video some time ago -- quite interesting and

well worth watching. I seem to remember that he was using Jaws at high
speed and was 'scanning' the page to see if there was anything of
interest on it, and pointing out the problems of missing alternative
text, etc.

I think it might be useful to ask the question in the accessibility
groups (which is inhabited -- in part -- by sight-impaired people) and
see what the reaction is. I'll do that tomorrow and see what happens.

Most sources that I've looked at still maintain that it's a problem so I
make sure that I always terminate with a punctuation mark. I work on the
basis that if sounds OK to me, then it should certainly sound OK to the
sight-impaired ;-)

regards
--
Jake

Neal wrote:

On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 04:47:49 +0200, steve
NOSPAMstoianstoian (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:


How do I terminate a entries I do not understand what you mean?


How would you read this aloud?

20 MB Storage 1 GB Monthly Bandwidth Your own cPanel mySQL Sub domains
Fantastico Search Engine Submittal The list is endless!

And this?

20 MB Storage, 1 GB Monthly Bandwidth, Your own cPanel, mySQL, Sub
domains, Fantastico, Search Engine Submittal; The list is endless!

Without punctuation, reading devices will run all that together and it
will not make sense.

www.dancingborg.co.uk/text.mp3

first, then the other.

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:15:50 +0100, Weyoun the gowd damn Dominion Vorta
who certainly didn't dance <blah (AT) blah (DOT) blah> wrote:

Neal wrote:
Without punctuation, reading devices will run all that together and it
will not make sense.

www.dancingborg.co.uk/text.mp3

first, then the other.

I won't get to download it - what does it indicate?

In message <hYycc.10852$4N3.1852@newsfe1-win>, Weyoun the gowd damn
Dominion Vorta who certainly didn't dance <blah (AT) blah (DOT) blah> writes

Neal wrote:
On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 04:47:49 +0200, steve
NOSPAMstoianstoian (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

How do I terminate a entries I do not understand what you mean?
How would you read this aloud?
20 MB Storage 1 GB Monthly Bandwidth Your own cPanel mySQL Sub
domains Fantastico Search Engine Submittal The list is endless!
And this?
20 MB Storage, 1 GB Monthly Bandwidth, Your own cPanel, mySQL, Sub
domains, Fantastico, Search Engine Submittal; The list is endless!
Without punctuation, reading devices will run all that together and
it will not make sense.

www.dancingborg.co.uk/text.mp3

first, then the other.

What were you using to generate the words?

--
Jake