Site opinions please

Hi all
I would like constructive comments on this site if I may please.
It is rather a large site and I didn't want to use dhtml.
Esp. would like opinions from blind / partially sighted / AOL / mac /
firefox users.

www.firstpeople.us

Thank you
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www.FirstPeople.us
Native Clipart, Wallpaper Pictures, Legends, Wisdom, Art, Poems and much, much more

Paul Burke <webmaster (AT) firstpeople (DOT) us> wrote:

www.firstpeople.us

Based on index page only:

Good:
Looks nice.
Adapts to my viewport width.
Good font size.

Bad:
Tables used for layout.
Presentational HTML using a Transitional doctype.

Best viewed at 1024x768 (full screen)
None of your business.

Valid HTML & CSS buttons: don't mention the mechanics.
The " - A Tribute To Native American Indians" bit of the logo image's
alt content duplicates what is in the h1.
Lists of links marked up as a paragraph.

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Spartanicus

On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 09:47:02 +0100, Spartanicus <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net>
wrote:

Paul Burke <webmaster (AT) firstpeople (DOT) us> wrote:

www.firstpeople.us

Firstly, Thank you for taking time to look and to reply.

Based on index page only:

Good:
Looks nice.
Adapts to my viewport width.
Good font size.
Tank you. I have tested it in different monitor sizes and browsers

(yet, not all)

Bad:
Tables used for layout.
Why ?

What other way do you suggest please ?

Some say tables are good, others say tables are bad, yet it displays
the way I wanted it to.

Presentational HTML using a Transitional doctype.
what's that in simple english please. And why is that bad. You lost me

on that one, sorry.

Best viewed at 1024x768 (full screen)
with the monitor turned on ......... it was a poke at all the other

web sites telling you how you should view thier sites. Sorry if you
didn't get the joke <G>

None of your business.
LOL

Valid HTML & CSS buttons: don't mention the mechanics.
You lost me on that too. What is "mechanics" ?

Sorry if I sound so dumb, But before I can improve, I need to
understand what is wrong.

The " - A Tribute To Native American Indians" bit of the logo image's
alt content duplicates what is in the h1.
Is that bad ? I thought it was ok. I didn't want the normal alt="logo"

Lists of links marked up as a paragraph.
I am going to alter the front page, and I will bear that in mind, I

just wanted a bit more spider food.

thank you
Paul

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www.FirstPeople.us
Native Clipart, Wallpaper Pictures, Legends, Wisdom, Art, Poems and much, much more

On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 19:04:22 +1000, Samuël ML Lison
<news (AT) dreamcities (DOT) net> wrote:

Paul Burke wrote:
Hi all
I would like constructive comments on this site if I may please.
It is rather a large site and I didn't want to use dhtml.
Esp. would like opinions from blind / partially sighted / AOL / mac /
firefox users.

Well, the blind will have a terrific time taking a look at the clip art
and what not, if you know what I mean ;o)
ROFL

My next site will be written in braille. You will be able to d/l
bubble wrap and attach it to the monitor screen :P
Seriously, I was trying to complete a few other tests that I cannot
do. eg, AOL browser and/or partially sighted/blind people, as they use
text readers. (and there is a lot of text on the site too)
Thanks for the laugh though
plh
Paul
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www.FirstPeople.us
Native Clipart, Wallpaper Pictures, Legends, Wisdom, Art, Poems and much, much more

Paul Burke schreef:

On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 19:04:22 +1000, Samuël ML Lison
news (AT) dreamcities (DOT) net> wrote:


Paul Burke wrote:

Hi all
I would like constructive comments on this site if I may please.
It is rather a large site and I didn't want to use dhtml.
Esp. would like opinions from blind / partially sighted / AOL / mac /
firefox users.

Well, the blind will have a terrific time taking a look at the clip art
and what not, if you know what I mean ;o)

ROFL
My next site will be written in braille. You will be able to d/l
bubble wrap and attach it to the monitor screen :P
Seriously, I was trying to complete a few other tests that I cannot
do. eg, AOL browser and/or partially sighted/blind people, as they use
text readers. (and there is a lot of text on the site too)

In that case you can use a text browser emulator at:
http://www.delorie.com/web/lynxview.html

Or you can download a text browser (if you have a windows as OS) at:
http://www.jim.spath.com/lynx_win32/
--
Edwin van der Vaart
http://www.semi-conductor.nl/ Links to Semiconductors sites
http://www.evandervaart.nl/ Under construction

Paul Burke <webmaster (AT) firstpeople (DOT) us> wrote:

www.firstpeople.us

It validates, so you have satisfied the basics.
Plus, the graphics are lovely!

Really, very nice ...

The colors, graphics, text and layout all works well for me. There does
not seem to be a way to navigate back to the home page, tho.

This is one of those pages that make Usenet worth soemthing.

The Doormouse

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Paul Burke <webmaster (AT) firstpeople (DOT) us> wrote:

Bad:
Tables used for layout.
Why ?
What other way do you suggest please ?

Tables are FINE.

Some people would like you to use all CSS, but this can produce problems
that you will not see with tables. For example, I have seen text columns
laid over one another with a CSS layout, spoiling the legibility and
useability.

Oh, and you can use CSS with tables - it's not an "either ... or" kind of
thing.

The Doormouse

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kchayka <usenet (AT) c-net (DOT) us> wrote:

Don't set font-size in px units

Good suggestion. The page looked good in my browser, so I did not look
closer. PX units mean a less adaptable page.

The Doormouse

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Paul Burke <webmaster (AT) firstpeople (DOT) us> wrote:

Bad:
Tables used for layout.
Why ?

As an HTML element, table is for marking up tabular data. Quality web
sites separate markup from styling.

What other way do you suggest please ?

CSS.

Some say tables are good, others say tables are bad, yet it displays
the way I wanted it to.

Tables are good (for tabular data).

Presentational HTML using a Transitional doctype.
what's that in simple english please. And why is that bad.

As per above.

Valid HTML & CSS buttons: don't mention the mechanics.
You lost me on that too. What is "mechanics" ?

A site should present it's content, not useless information about the
mechanics of the site.

It's comparable to a footer under a letter saying: "check with MegaSpell
for spelling errors". Very few of your visitors will know what
validation is about, those that do don't care. Ergo: they serve no
useful purpose, at best they confuse and annoy (especially in aural
rendering).

The " - A Tribute To Native American Indians" bit of the logo image's
alt content duplicates what is in the h1.
Is that bad ? I thought it was ok. I didn't want the normal alt="logo"

The title of the site is the correct alt content for the logo image,
just chop off the suffix.

Lists of links marked up as a paragraph.
I am going to alter the front page, and I will bear that in mind, I
just wanted a bit more spider food.

Spiders follow all links, be they in a paragraph or in a list.

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Spartanicus

On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 13:52:45 +0200, Edwin van der Vaart
<picayunish2000 (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Paul Burke schreef:
On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 19:04:22 +1000, Samuël ML Lison
news (AT) dreamcities (DOT) net> wrote:


Paul Burke wrote:

Hi all
I would like constructive comments on this site if I may please.
It is rather a large site and I didn't want to use dhtml.
Esp. would like opinions from blind / partially sighted / AOL / mac /
firefox users.

Well, the blind will have a terrific time taking a look at the clip art
and what not, if you know what I mean ;o)

ROFL
My next site will be written in braille. You will be able to d/l
bubble wrap and attach it to the monitor screen :P
Seriously, I was trying to complete a few other tests that I cannot
do. eg, AOL browser and/or partially sighted/blind people, as they use
text readers. (and there is a lot of text on the site too)

In that case you can use a text browser emulator at:
http://www.delorie.com/web/lynxview.html
Thank you for the link. I have tried it (on some) of the pages and

renders acceptable

Or you can download a text browser (if you have a windows as OS) at:
http://www.jim.spath.com/lynx_win32/

I do have an offline program that shows you what it looks like for a
partially sighted person will see etc, but you can't beat someone
testing it that is actually blind/partial

plh
Paul
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www.FirstPeople.us
Native Clipart, Wallpaper Pictures, Legends, Wisdom, Art, Poems and much, much more