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"Spartanicus" <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote

so those will claim more space then when the small viewpoints were
common.

So you think that PDAs and cell phones have been relegated to "the
past", curious.

Next you are probably going to claim that most desktop
users use a "viewport" of 1024x768 or more.

Adepting your site to a smaller viewpoint can sometimes lead to less usage
of the wide viewpoint or user options on the website.

I'm sure there's a universe somewhere where the above can be
linguistically parsed, not this one though.

You don't want to test the viewpoint with javascript and then choise the
page people see, so adjusting is not always an option.

I'm afraid that the above requires someone from a parallel universe,
someone with access to Startrek's universal translator perhaps.

Take for example new flash sites, you don't want the fonts to be scalled
to
that small viewpoint when by default you have 560 height.

But then if you multiply that with the index value derived from the
happiness root value, it comes to a totally different cardigan!

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"Spartanicus" <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote

So you think that PDAs and cell phones have been relegated to "the
past", curious.

What does a PDA have to do with my http website?
I have wab pages for that.

Next you are probably going to claim that most desktop
users use a "viewport" of 1024x768 or more.

If you have read this group you would not make this assumtion.

Adepting your site to a smaller viewpoint can sometimes lead to less usage
of the wide viewpoint or user options on the website.

I'm sure there's a universe somewhere where the above can be
linguistically parsed, not this one though.

Linguistics has nothing to do with the argument.
Please read the manuals on how to behave in a newsgroup.

I'm afraid ... <snip> More crap about spelling</snip

Maybe you want to go to alt.lang.disc maybe more "your" group?

<snip>Startrek crap</sip>

Or maybe alt.lang.starttrek or alt.trek.stories.new


Wouter

kchayka wrote:

It's superficial because you apparently haven't considered that browsers
have not implemented this particular spec as defined.

In the real world, 1px = 1 screen pixel. They are not relative units at
all.

;-) of course they are sort of 'absolute' units, and I thought that
someone is going to take the last URL as very seriuos, it's more of a
funny issue: px are considered as absolute units by most people. I agree
completely with that, but the W3C states (no direct quote): a pixel is a
relative unit in respect to the physical viewing device. And looked at
it in that way, they are right. A pixel is not like 1 mm with a
reference rooted in the real world. It's a relative unit in that sense
that a pixel is a pixel regardless of your display features. Hence it
might vary in size, depending on your screen size. A pixel on a mobile
device is relatively smaller than the one on your 23" cinema display,
hence the font will be bigger or smaller as well... Only a unit like
'mm' (assuming it would be correctly implemented, and might actually
work) is an absolute unit. Technically the W3C is correct, but I don't
like to see the mentioning of px under relative units, either.

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Bernhard Sturm <sturmnixspam (AT) datacomm (DOT) ch> wrote:

the W3C states (no direct quote): a pixel is a
relative unit in respect to the physical viewing device. And looked at
it in that way, they are right. A pixel is not like 1 mm with a
reference rooted in the real world. It's a relative unit in that sense
that a pixel is a pixel regardless of your display features. Hence it
might vary in size, depending on your screen size.

That's not what is meant by the CSS spec, it specifies that a browser
should not map the px unit 1 to 1 with screen pixels "If the pixel
density of the output device is very different from that of a typical
computer display". Full story:
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/syndata.html#length-units

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Wouter wrote:

"Spartanicus" <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote

So you think that PDAs and cell phones have been relegated to
"the past", curious.

What does a PDA have to do with my http website?

A couple of weeks ago, I was viewing one of my "http" sites on a
friend's new fancy-schmancy wireless PDA unit. It worked fine.

I have wab pages for that.

If you design your "http" site correctly in the first place, you won't
need wab pages... ;-)

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Spartanicus wrote:

Bernhard Sturm <sturmnixspam (AT) datacomm (DOT) ch> wrote:

That's not what is meant by the CSS spec, it specifies that a browser
should not map the px unit 1 to 1 with screen pixels "If the pixel
density of the output device is very different from that of a typical
computer display". Full story:
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/syndata.html#length-units

yes. this applies to high resolution devices, such as printers. they are
refering to resolutions of output devices that are very different from a
typical computer display. You can test that by yourself: define your
units in your CSS in px (1 pixel will then still cover 1 pixel on your
screen as illustrated on the URL you provided), and then print the page
on a printer: one px doesn't then correspond to 1 dot. The px are
transformed according to the paragraph 4.3.2 of the W3C spec. But on a
typical computer display the unit px is still a *relative* unit to the
viewing device (as well as on a *high* resolution device, all that
changes is the scale of the 'pixel', mathematically it's a
transformation that takes place). I wonder if a UA would indeed
transform the pixels on high density screen displays (such as a
3840x2400 QUXGA-W LCD) in the same way as it does it for the output on a
printer.

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"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous (AT) example (DOT) invalid> wrote

If you design your "http" site correctly in the first place, you won't
need wab pages... ;-)

Do new GSM phones also surf normal http sites?
I make pages special for those (first page only menu, second page, direct
all the info in a short tekst), never browsed on a PDA my self
I'll ask someone to share his

Wouter

Wouter wrote:

"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous (AT) example (DOT) invalid
wrote


If you design your "http" site correctly in the first
place, you won't need wab pages... ;-)

Do new GSM phones also surf normal http sites?

Yup, mine does. (Siemens MC60)

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"Bernhard Sturm" <sturmnixspam (AT) datacomm (DOT) ch> wrote

nly a unit like 'mm'
(assuming it would be correctly implemented, and might actually work)
;-D
is an absolute unit.

That's why they use inches (no fuzz with the conversion):

pt: points - the points used by CSS 2.1 are equal to 1/72th of an inch

If I'm correct my printing office
(wanted to say printer, but this might be misunderstood in this conext)
also uses pt.

Wouter

"Els" <els.aNOSPAM (AT) tiscali (DOT) nl> wrote

Wouter wrote:
Do new GSM phones also surf normal http sites?

Yup, mine does. (Siemens MC60)

COOL!

But then I need to ajust my sites..
Wouter