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A review if possible, sirs and madams
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Re: A review if possible, sirs and madams -
10-30-2003
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Sometime around Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:29:28 -0500, Bonnie Granat is reported to have stated: This is what it looks like in small type http://www.editors-writers.info/homepage.gif This is what it looks like in medium type http://www.editors-writers.info/homepagemed.gif I cannot accommodate large type in a small window. At the risk of restarting your 15-updates-a-day thing again... http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au/usenet/bonnie.png [29k] Fullscreen at 1024x768, text size 100%. |
If the problem persists, please contact the webmaster with your problem,
otherwise you can return to the main page: www.clarkecomputers.com.au.
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Bonnie Granat
Granat Technical Editing and Writing
http://www.editors-writers.info
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"Mark Parnell" <webmaster (AT) clarkecomputers (DOT) com.au> wrote in message news:hqexp0esvbia$.1nng8k7d0td69$.dlg (AT) 40tude (DOT) net... http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au/usenet/bonnie.png [29k] Sorry, that page does not exist! If the problem persists, please contact the webmaster with your problem, otherwise you can return to the main page: www.clarkecomputers.com.au. |
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Bonnie Granat wrote: http://lankiveil.halo-17.net/crux/index.php BAD NEWS: I think the basic idea is good, but the page has an *unbalanced* feel to it. It's ironic how you can see this in other sites, but not your own. I recommend moving everything to the left. You mean like this? URL:http://accessat.c-net.us/screenshots/granat.png |
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text at high rez and low res, but I await your verdict. ; ) Thanks.
http://www.editors-writers.info
Bonnie
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"kchayka" <kcha-un-yka (AT) sihope (DOT) com> wrote in message news:3fa14734$0$40218$39cecf19 (AT) news (DOT) twtelecom.net... URL:http://accessat.c-net.us/screenshots/granat.png See how it looks now, http://www.editors-writers.info |
It is only marginally better, regardless of text size. The problem is
that the left column is too narrow and you are relying on IE's broken
overflow behavior to make it look "good", at least in IE6 at your
preferred resolution, text size and window size.
IE erroneously stretches the width of the left column as needed to fit
its content. Other browsers don't do this, and will constrain the
column to a mere 10% of the window width because that's the size you
specified in the stylesheet. The image and the long word
"Developmental" spill out and start overlaying the content area. It
simply looks worse at larger text sizes and/or smaller window sizes.
The whole thing looks unbalanced because the specified sizes for the
center column (width plus padding, border and left margin) leaves ~18%
right margin. With a 13% left margin it is quite lop-sided. You don't
notice this in IE because the broken overflow behavior makes the left
column wider than it should be and shoves the center column left
accordingly. Plus the larger the window, the less noticable this ~5%
difference is.
You have always strived to get something that looks good to you in IE6
in your particular (peculiar) setup, to the exclusion of all others.
With every iteration of your site, you've been shown problems in other
browsers, other text sizes, other window sizes, often why they are
broken and how to fix them, yet these same things keep cropping up.
This lop-sided content area is nothing new, I remember bringing it up
before.
You really aren't interested in this stuff, are you? I don't understand
why you don't just let somebody else code the layout for you and be done
with it. Actually, others have given you corrected code on numerous
occassions, myself included. I don't get why you don't just take it and
run.
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Bonnie Granat wrote: "kchayka" <kcha-un-yka (AT) sihope (DOT) com> wrote in message news:3fa14734$0$40218$39cecf19 (AT) news (DOT) twtelecom.net... URL:http://accessat.c-net.us/screenshots/granat.png See how it looks now, http://www.editors-writers.info URL:http://accessat.c-net.us/screenshots/granat2.png It is only marginally better, regardless of text size. The problem is that the left column is too narrow and you are relying on IE's broken overflow behavior to make it look "good", at least in IE6 at your preferred resolution, text size and window size. IE erroneously stretches the width of the left column as needed to fit its content. Other browsers don't do this, and will constrain the column to a mere 10% of the window width because that's the size you specified in the stylesheet. The image and the long word "Developmental" spill out and start overlaying the content area. It simply looks worse at larger text sizes and/or smaller window sizes. The whole thing looks unbalanced because the specified sizes for the center column (width plus padding, border and left margin) leaves ~18% right margin. With a 13% left margin it is quite lop-sided. You don't notice this in IE because the broken overflow behavior makes the left column wider than it should be and shoves the center column left accordingly. Plus the larger the window, the less noticable this ~5% difference is. You have always strived to get something that looks good to you in IE6 in your particular (peculiar) setup, to the exclusion of all others. |
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With every iteration of your site, you've been shown problems in other browsers, other text sizes, other window sizes, often why they are broken and how to fix them, yet these same things keep cropping up. This lop-sided content area is nothing new, I remember bringing it up before. You really aren't interested in this stuff, are you? I don't understand why you don't just let somebody else code the layout for you and be done with it. Actually, others have given you corrected code on numerous occassions, myself included. I don't get why you don't just take it and run. |
bother you.
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Bonnie Granat
Granat Technical Editing and Writing
http://www.editors-writers.info
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"kchayka" <kcha-un-yka (AT) sihope (DOT) com> wrote in message news:3fa26557$0$40210$39cecf19 (AT) news (DOT) twtelecom.net... Bonnie Granat wrote: "kchayka" <kcha-un-yka (AT) sihope (DOT) com> wrote in message news:3fa14734$0$40218$39cecf19 (AT) news (DOT) twtelecom.net... URL:http://accessat.c-net.us/screenshots/granat.png See how it looks now, http://www.editors-writers.info URL:http://accessat.c-net.us/screenshots/granat2.png It is only marginally better, regardless of text size. The problem is that the left column is too narrow and you are relying on IE's broken overflow behavior to make it look "good", at least in IE6 at your preferred resolution, text size and window size. IE erroneously stretches the width of the left column as needed to fit its content. Other browsers don't do this, and will constrain the column to a mere 10% of the window width because that's the size you specified in the stylesheet. The image and the long word "Developmental" spill out and start overlaying the content area. It simply looks worse at larger text sizes and/or smaller window sizes. The whole thing looks unbalanced because the specified sizes for the center column (width plus padding, border and left margin) leaves ~18% right margin. With a 13% left margin it is quite lop-sided. You don't notice this in IE because the broken overflow behavior makes the left column wider than it should be and shoves the center column left accordingly. Plus the larger the window, the less noticable this ~5% difference is. You have always strived to get something that looks good to you in IE6 in your particular (peculiar) setup, to the exclusion of all others. That is not an accurate statement. With every iteration of your site, you've been shown problems in other browsers, other text sizes, other window sizes, often why they are broken and how to fix them, yet these same things keep cropping up. This lop-sided content area is nothing new, I remember bringing it up before. You really aren't interested in this stuff, are you? I don't understand why you don't just let somebody else code the layout for you and be done with it. Actually, others have given you corrected code on numerous occassions, myself included. I don't get why you don't just take it and run. I thought I used one of the correct pages that someone offered. Sorry to bother you. |
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/fire...ase-notes.html
it's 6MB and installs with a simple unzip. Do not rely on IE.
The white of the nav section has disappeared.
The jazzimprov page has numerous errors, most of which are caused by the
extraneous <br/><br/> between <li> elements, and elsewhere not in block
elements. If you want extra margin, add something to the style sheet for
the <li>.
<URL:http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...2Fwww.editors-
writers.info%2Fjazzimprov.html>
Use it on your other pages as well.
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"kchayka" <kcha-un-yka (AT) sihope (DOT) com> wrote in message news:3fa26557$0$40210$39cecf19 (AT) news (DOT) twtelecom.net... Bonnie Granat wrote: "kchayka" <kcha-un-yka (AT) sihope (DOT) com> wrote in message news:3fa14734$0$40218$39cecf19 (AT) news (DOT) twtelecom.net... URL:http://accessat.c-net.us/screenshots/granat.png See how it looks now, http://www.editors-writers.info URL:http://accessat.c-net.us/screenshots/granat2.png It is only marginally better, regardless of text size. The problem is |
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occassions, myself included. I don't get why you don't just take it and run. I thought I used one of the correct pages that someone offered. Sorry to bother you. -- Bonnie Granat Granat Technical Editing and Writing http://www.editors-writers.info |
that writers, in particular, and creative people in general
tend to think and feel of their creations as if they are children
if someone then finds fault with our child, we are hurt...
For me, I've found that if I give it some time
to get beyond the pain
then I can see the benefit to my child
You can criticize the terminology,
sentence structure and the grammar of others,
can you not accept a little criticism?
Your page needs correction
can you hope to sell your service
to those who see your page in a bad light?
Glenn
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"Bonnie Granat" <bgranat (AT) editors-writers (DOT) info> wrote in message news:3fa29230 (AT) andromeda (DOT) 5sc.net... "kchayka" <kcha-un-yka (AT) sihope (DOT) com> wrote in message news:3fa26557$0$40210$39cecf19 (AT) news (DOT) twtelecom.net... Bonnie Granat wrote: "kchayka" <kcha-un-yka (AT) sihope (DOT) com> wrote in message news:3fa14734$0$40218$39cecf19 (AT) news (DOT) twtelecom.net... URL:http://accessat.c-net.us/screenshots/granat.png See how it looks now, http://www.editors-writers.info URL:http://accessat.c-net.us/screenshots/granat2.png It is only marginally better, regardless of text size. The problem is snip occassions, myself included. I don't get why you don't just take it and run. I thought I used one of the correct pages that someone offered. Sorry to bother you. -- Bonnie Granat Granat Technical Editing and Writing http://www.editors-writers.info I've noticed, first about myself, then about others that writers, in particular, and creative people in general tend to think and feel of their creations as if they are children if someone then finds fault with our child, we are hurt... For me, I've found that if I give it some time to get beyond the pain then I can see the benefit to my child You can criticize the terminology, sentence structure and the grammar of others, can you not accept a little criticism? Your page needs correction can you hope to sell your service to those who see your page in a bad light? Glenn |
I'd considered that if the page broke down in a small window, it wasn't a
big deal, because many site do the same thing. Besides, I have had other
things to do. Now I can deal with it. I thought, though, that if it looked
okay at 45% of full window size, that was good enough. I guess this is
wrong, eh?
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Bonnie Granat
Granat Technical Editing and Writing
http://www.editors-writers.info
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"gmcclary" <gmcclary (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:vq6t54ogodoka6 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com... "Bonnie Granat" <bgranat (AT) editors-writers (DOT) info> wrote in message news:3fa29230 (AT) andromeda (DOT) 5sc.net... "kchayka" <kcha-un-yka (AT) sihope (DOT) com> wrote in message news:3fa26557$0$40210$39cecf19 (AT) news (DOT) twtelecom.net... Bonnie Granat wrote: "kchayka" <kcha-un-yka (AT) sihope (DOT) com> wrote in message news:3fa14734$0$40218$39cecf19 (AT) news (DOT) twtelecom.net... URL:http://accessat.c-net.us/screenshots/granat.png See how it looks now, http://www.editors-writers.info URL:http://accessat.c-net.us/screenshots/granat2.png It is only marginally better, regardless of text size. The problem is snip occassions, myself included. I don't get why you don't just take it and run. I thought I used one of the correct pages that someone offered. Sorry to bother you. -- Bonnie Granat Granat Technical Editing and Writing http://www.editors-writers.info I've noticed, first about myself, then about others that writers, in particular, and creative people in general tend to think and feel of their creations as if they are children if someone then finds fault with our child, we are hurt... For me, I've found that if I give it some time to get beyond the pain then I can see the benefit to my child You can criticize the terminology, sentence structure and the grammar of others, can you not accept a little criticism? Your page needs correction can you hope to sell your service to those who see your page in a bad light? Glenn I'm working on a new design...Thanks, Glenn, for writing. I'd considered that if the page broke down in a small window, it wasn't a big deal, because many site do the same thing. Besides, I have had other things to do. Now I can deal with it. I thought, though, that if it looked okay at 45% of full window size, that was good enough. I guess this is wrong, eh? -- Bonnie Granat Granat Technical Editing and Writing http://www.editors-writers.info |
Interesting, how ideas we think are fine come back to bit us...
I'm still wrestling with my monster too, Hell, I've still got tables ;-)
and have not yet figured out how to make CSS jump into my bag...
So I cannot advise you on code
Glenn
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Henry David Thoreau
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"kchayka" <kcha-un-yka (AT) sihope (DOT) com> wrote in message news:3fa26557$0$40210$39cecf19 (AT) news (DOT) twtelecom.net... You have always strived to get something that looks good to you in IE6 in your particular (peculiar) setup, to the exclusion of all others. That is not an accurate statement. |
1. Your site almost always looks broken to me, text size and window size
don't usually matter much - different iterations may just be broken
differently.
2. If you cared much about browsing environments other than your own,
you would test in something other than IE6 at your preferred window and
text sizes. Considering how broken IE CSS is (as you should well know
by now), testing in a second browser is a necessity.
3. If you tested in other environments, the issues should be fairly obvious.
4. If you cared about these things, you would address them yourself,
rather than wait for somebody in this group to point them out again.
BTW, addressing issues yourself doesn't necessarily mean figuring out a
fix all by yourself, just being proactive in resolving them.
It only takes a few seconds to start up a browser, only a couple seconds
to resize a window, only a couple keystrokes to change the text size.
You can learn an awful lot in less than a minute but, of course, you
might as well not bother if you don't plan to use any knowledge gained.
If you are already testing multiple browsing environments and don't see
the problems others do, there is either something quite wrong with your
testing, or something amiss with your perceptions.
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made broke it.
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