Desperately Seeking Critique

Neredbojias wrote:

Would gratefully appreciate critical critiquing of the home page at:

http://www.neredbojias.com/

I stared at it for a while.

Um, what's it about? The links have no apparent theme besides visual arts.
Are you an artist? I notice you mix your name in with other rather well
known painters.
Overall the text contrast is rather low.
The links are not obvious. The usual underline is suppressed and there
is no hover to provide an alternate clue.
I do appreciate that the text is not made small :-).
Is "This Page Styleless" meant to be "This Page's Stylesheet"? Oh! No,
it is "Style-less".

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Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Neredbojias wrote:

One thing I'm confused about. Wouldn't an external style sheet
actually make the page take _longer_ to load than otherwise?

Since it's the same amount of text, an external sheet might take an
extra millisecond or two. The first time.

Then it is cached by the browser, and will *reduce* the load time of all
the other pages that use it.
I thought by reducing the file size by using external files. That way

the download time is also reduced.
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Edwin van der Vaart wrote:

Since it's the same amount of text, an external sheet might take an
extra millisecond or two. The first time.

Then it is cached by the browser, and will *reduce* the load time of all
the other pages that use it.

I thought by reducing the file size by using external files. That way
the download time is also reduced.

Yes, the HTML file is smaller and takes less time to download. But the
first time the CSS file must also be downloaded to get it into cache.
It still may take less time if multiple fetches can be initiated to
acquire the needed files.

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"Jim Moe" <jmm-list.AXSPAMGN (AT) sohnen-moe (DOT) com> wrote

Edwin van der Vaart wrote:

Since it's the same amount of text, an external sheet might take an
extra millisecond or two. The first time.

Or, in the case of accessing the Neredbojias site from here, 215
milliseconds (ping time) plus however long the actual transfer takes.

I thought by reducing the file size by using external files. That way
the download time is also reduced.

Yes, the HTML file is smaller and takes less time to download. But the
first time the CSS file must also be downloaded to get it into cache.
It still may take less time if multiple fetches can be initiated to
acquire the needed files.

Not with a single HTML file and a single CSS file. The HTML file has to be
completely downloaded and examined before the browser determines the CSS
file is required.

Worst case would be an HTML file linking to a CSS file that specifies a
background image. From here that will take an absolute minimum of 645
milliseconds, the first time.

The 'Net' tab in firebug is a veryi intersting thing to look at on occasion.

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Edwin van der Vaart wrote:
Since it's the same amount of text, an external sheet might take an
extra millisecond or two. The first time.

Or, in the case of accessing the Neredbojias site from here, 215
milliseconds (ping time) plus however long the actual transfer takes.

I thought by reducing the file size by using external files. That way
the download time is also reduced.
Yes, the HTML file is smaller and takes less time to download. But the
first time the CSS file must also be downloaded to get it into cache.
It still may take less time if multiple fetches can be initiated to
acquire the needed files.

Not with a single HTML file and a single CSS file. The HTML file has to be
completely downloaded and examined before the browser determines the CSS
file is required.

Worst case would be an HTML file linking to a CSS file that specifies a
background image. From here that will take an absolute minimum of 645
milliseconds, the first time.

The 'Net' tab in firebug is a veryi intersting thing to look at on occasion.
Thanks for the info.

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http://www.evandervaart.nl/ Edwin's persoonlijke web site
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Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:05:47
GMT Jim Moe scribed:

Neredbojias wrote:
Would gratefully appreciate critical critiquing of the home page at:

http://www.neredbojias.com/

I stared at it for a while.
Um, what's it about? The links have no apparent theme besides visual
arts. Are you an artist? I notice you mix your name in with other
rather well
known painters.

Um, I'm a better mixer than an artist. As for what it's about...

If you are able to play .aac files (Winamp/RealPlayer/etc.), listen to the
_second_ 'Right or Wrong' song and turn it up LOUD. That should tell you
if anything can.

Overall the text contrast is rather low.
The links are not obvious. The usual underline is suppressed and
there
is no hover to provide an alternate clue.

Added that and visual history ("visited") also.

I do appreciate that the text is not made small :-).
Is "This Page Styleless" meant to be "This Page's Stylesheet"? Oh!
No,
it is "Style-less".

Yeah, thought some might like to see the markup styleless. That's just
temporary until I replace it with a more traditional link (someday).

Thanks for the comments.

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Half lies are worth twice as much as whole lies.

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:39:57
GMT Neredbojias scribed:

Would gratefully appreciate critical critiquing of the home page at:

http://www.neredbojias.com/

particularly the bloggie-thingy at the bottom of the page. I'd like
to put a lock on this page so I could move on to other things I
haven't thought of yet. Thanks very much.

The blog and page are just about finished. I've implimented most of the
things you kind folk have mentioned. Assuming there're no technical bugs,
the only thing I still want to do is provide persistent "handles" for
bloggers, probably thru cookies. Thanks for all the good advice; I really
appreciate it. Have a nice day.

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Neredbojias
Half lies are worth twice as much as whole lies.

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:14:06 GMT
Beauregard T. Shagnasty scribed:

Neredbojias wrote:

If you are able to play .aac files (Winamp/RealPlayer/etc.), listen to
the _second_ 'Right or Wrong' song and turn it up LOUD. That should
tell you if anything can.

Sounds like all those little cars that go past my house every night.
:-)

BOOMBOOM ... BOOM ... BOOMBOOM ... BOOM ... BOOMBOOM ... BOOM ...

Yeah...

Reminds me of my nascent rock 'n roll days. I miss the echoing.

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Neredbojias
Half lies are worth twice as much as whole lies.

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:03:19
GMT Edwin van der Vaart scribed:

Neredbojias wrote:
Would gratefully appreciate critical critiquing of the home page at:

http://www.neredbojias.com/

particularly the bloggie-thingy at the bottom of the page. I'd like
to put a lock on this page so I could move on to other things I
haven't thought of yet. Thanks very much.
Perhaps add some text above the bloggie-thingy e.g. Can't use html
tags and links.
For the index page. Put style sheet in an external file, also for the
cookies and javascript.

Web page speed test.
http://www.websiteoptimization.com/s...hp?url=http://
www.neredbojias.com/

Keep on the good work.

Edwin, I added some text-styling capabilities mostly thru css, though some
html. No links, but you can color and center text, etc., and there are
headings. What do you think?

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Neredbojias
Half lies are worth twice as much as whole lies.

Neredbojias wrote:

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:03:19
GMT Edwin van der Vaart scribed:

Neredbojias wrote:
Would gratefully appreciate critical critiquing of the home page at:

http://www.neredbojias.com/

particularly the bloggie-thingy at the bottom of the page. I'd like
to put a lock on this page so I could move on to other things I
haven't thought of yet. Thanks very much.
Perhaps add some text above the bloggie-thingy e.g. Can't use html
tags and links.
For the index page. Put style sheet in an external file, also for the
cookies and javascript.

Web page speed test.
http://www.websiteoptimization.com/s...hp?url=http://
www.neredbojias.com/

Keep on the good work.

Edwin, I added some text-styling capabilities mostly thru css, though some
html. No links, but you can color and center text, etc., and there are
headings. What do you think?
Very well improved bloggie, if the blogger get it right. I'm impressed.

Nice hover colour on the links, it match with the background.
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http://www.evandervaart.nl/ Edwin's persoonlijke web site
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