design input appreciated

Hi, I'm not finished but am at a stage where I can do with some input.

http://www.chameleonmoments.com/?s=t_abt

Some opinions on the colours would be nice.
The sifr headers kick in horribly, I might do it with pngs unstead.
It was imagined as all white on solid colour.
Is it a good thing that the pages are different colours?
Are the static elements providing enough visual continuity?

I look forward to any response.
thanks
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i

"osman" <osmanjaro (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

Hi, I'm not finished but am at a stage where I can do with some input.

http://www.chameleonmoments.com/?s=t_abt

Some opinions on the colours would be nice.

Chameleons are green usually[1]. Not a loud in your face red. For me it's
Very Hard to read.

The sifr headers kick in horribly, I might do it with pngs unstead.

What is a sifr?

It was imagined as all white on solid colour.

And why are all the operating systems these days black on white? Easier on
the eyes?

Is it a good thing that the pages are different colours?

No.

Are the static elements providing enough visual continuity?

I look forward to any response.

There are quite a number of images that 404.

Compress the image of the Chameleon. 105KB is outrageous for an image that
size.

[1] What colour does a Chameleon turn when you put it on a mirror?

--
Richard.

"rf" wrote wrote:
Chameleons are green usually[1]. Not a loud in your face red. For me it's
Very Hard to read.

Sorry Richard, I am red/green colour blind and it reads ok to me.
If the background colour was darker maybe?

What is a sifr?
Text replacement : http://wiki.novemberborn.net/sifr/What+is+sIFR

And why are all the operating systems these days black on white? Easier on the eyes?

Maybe its just what the norm is now.
I prefer writing/reading light text on a dark background.
If this is an issue with others here, I may make the background
darker.

Is it a good thing that the pages are different colours?
No.

ok

There are quite a number of images that 404.
Compress the image of the Chameleon. 105KB is outrageous for an image that size.

will do

[1] What colour does a Chameleon turn when you put it on a mirror?

Hmm.. I learned chameleons don't change according to environment.
So I think it would work better with an octopus or cuttlefish.
They would freak out at the possibilities and turn a pale puce.

"osman" <osmanjaro (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

"rf" wrote wrote:
Chameleons are green usually[1]. Not a loud in your face red. For me it's
Very Hard to read.

Sorry Richard, I am red/green colour blind and it reads ok to me.

Ah, then you will need this:

http://colorfilter.wickline.org/

or, more to the point you will need somebody else to compare your site with
that. Trust me, it is *very* different. Your red is, to me, blinding. Your
red, as translated by that site, is a sort of nice dusty brown.

What is a sifr?
Text replacement : http://wiki.novemberborn.net/sifr/What+is+sIFR

Ah, flash. I don't do flash.

And why are all the operating systems these days black on white? Easier
on the eyes?

Maybe its just what the norm is now.
I prefer writing/reading light text on a dark background.
If this is an issue with others here, I may make the background
darker.

Your site, your choice. I don't do it but that doesn't mean you shouldn't.
Just MHO. Wait for other replies.

[1] What colour does a Chameleon turn when you put it on a mirror?

Hmm.. I learned chameleons don't change according to environment.

Yes, I know, but the myth is strong :-) We have water dragons (a lizard
about a metre or so long) http://www.anhs.com.au/eastern_water_dragon.htm in
our creek. Dull grey except in the mating season when the blokes are a vivid
terracotta, er, bright reddy brown. Not as red as your site though :-)

So I think it would work better with an octopus or cuttlefish.
They would freak out at the possibilities and turn a pale puce.

ROFL.

What is your version (being RB blind) of puce?

--
Richard.

"rf" wrote wrote again:
Sorry Richard, I am red/green colour blind and it reads ok to me.

Ah, then you will need this:

http://colorfilter.wickline.org/

or, more to the point you will need somebody else to compare your site with
that. Trust me, it is *very* different. Your red is, to me, blinding. Your
red, as translated by that site, is a sort of nice dusty brown.

Wild!
I have tried all sorts of comparison tools, correctors and widgets but
this one is way off. It's such a subjective thing, but I know the red
I am using (from my own angle), and this makes it very brown and
unsaturated. Thats not what I see. We could get deep about whats
happening here but I know I want a rich scarlet red.

This was the inspiration : http://www.airwavesmusic.com
I'm afraid that if I use exactly the same colours it will be a rip
off.

terracotta, er, bright reddy brown. Not as red as your site though :-)

Deep and dangerous fuscia/red
Fresh aqua/green
Dark grey

What is your version (being RB blind) of puce?

Peelie Wali Beige Purple.
After an old ladys beetroot sandwich, I imagine the colour of her
vomit...
that is puce.

--
i

"rf" wrote wrote again:
Sorry Richard, I am red/green colour blind and it reads ok to me.

Ah, then you will need this:

http://colorfilter.wickline.org/

or, more to the point you will need somebody else to compare your site with
that. Trust me, it is *very* different. Your red is, to me, blinding. Your
red, as translated by that site, is a sort of nice dusty brown.

Wild!
I have tried all sorts of comparison tools, correctors and widgets but
this one is way off. It's such a subjective thing, but I know the red
I am using (from my own angle), and this makes it very brown and
unsaturated. Thats not what I see. We could get deep about whats
happening here but I know I want a rich scarlet red.

This was the inspiration : http://www.airwavesmusic.com
I'm afraid that if I use exactly the same colours it will be a rip
off.

terracotta, er, bright reddy brown. Not as red as your site though :-)

Deep and dangerous fuscia/red
Fresh aqua/green
Dark grey

What is your version (being RB blind) of puce?

Peelie Wali Beige Purple.
After an old ladys beetroot sandwich, I imagine the colour of her
vomit...
that is puce.

--
i

"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:

So, the site is just for you then? Public visitors don't matter?

now now.. It was made by me and to my tastes first.
I am asking opinions from the public to help make it nicer for
everyone.

I'll be the next to join in saying that your red page is a shock to any
normal set of eyeballs.

2 people don't like the colour.
It was not meant to hurt your eyes.

You are using only 90% of my preferred font size
(font:.9em Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif
which makes it even harder to read. If 1em (100%) is too large for you,
decrease your own browser's default size, but let me have mine.

You obviously feel very strongly about this.
The font size can easily be changed and so can the colour.
But you can also change the font yourself in almost almost all modern
browsers

I like the idea of letting the user decide.
http://www.chameleonmoments.com/2/colour.htm
Seen it in a few flash sites, but not html yet.
It would be good if I knew how to make this work.
I might ask on a javascript forum later.

Thanks for the response so far guys
--
i

"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
Actually - in this newsgroup - you are asking other web developers for a
critique. Are we the public?

I think you are the public, but a more knowledgeable type of average
joe.
If you are in the craft, you know what works and what doesn't.
This is why I came here first.

It's the weekend, a slow period around here. The two of us who replied
both said the red is too wild and bold.

That makes 2 people, from a html newsgroup.
I'm sure that if I ask a design newsgroup or a fly fishing newsgroup I
will get very different responses.

Does the bright green contact page look ok to you as well?

Ah.. the bright green page is legible to me.
The colour is not offensive, but it may be to others.
I am listening Beau.. if people say 'make it darker' I will.
For me, it's a compromise between what I like and what everyone else
likes.

The font size can easily be changed and so can the colour.
Of course they can, but how many people do you know who actually do
that? And would do it for one site, knowing they would have to unset
whatever they set after leaving your pages?

I do all the time. It's one keyboard shortcut.
Apple (or ctrl) +
after leaving the site it's a quick apple (or ctrl) -

This javascript colour change... I was thinking it could work with a
box in the top corner where the user could set the page colour and
still have the mouse scroll work anywhere outside the box.
Doesn't have to work with scrolling, but that was what the example
used.
This js part is something that could be added after everything else
has been sorted out and when I know how to do it.
The colours need to be decided upon first and that is proving to be
more complex than I first thought.

I miss sitting next to someone whos eye's I can borrow.
--
i

"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous (AT) example (DOT) invalid> wrote

osman wrote:

The design group is also interested in colours. The fisherman wouldn't
care one way or the other.

I would think the fisherman would be highly interested in any colour that
might scare the fish out of the water ;-)

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Richard.

osman wrote:

2 people don't like the colour.
It was not meant to hurt your eyes.

Make the red less saturated, please.

The font size can easily be changed and so can the colour.
But you can also change the font yourself in almost almost all modern
browsers

Disabling stylesheets works for me, but then again, I'm really
disappointed at the number of sites that make me do this before I find
the site usable. :-( Why do you want to make your visitors work? Don't
you like them?

I like the idea of letting the user decide.
http://www.chameleonmoments.com/2/colour.htm

I don't have a mousewheel. What should I do instead?

--
Berg