Critique wanted http://www.my-julian-california-land.com

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

billfischermd (AT) netscape (DOT) net wrote:


"Almost none of the text fits in any of the boxes."

How did you detect that? I've looked and I can't see the descrepency.


http://k75s.home.att.net/show/julian.jpg

You need to think about sizing the containers using em units instead of
pixels, so that when folks with visual problems who have larger font
sizes set as their default, expands the text but not the boxes.

Use percentages for font-sizing instead of points (points are for
printing, and points/pixels don't resize in Internet Explorer.

http://k75s.home.att.net/fontsize.html

Ewwww! I see it.

Thanks.

Bill Fischer

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Layer is an old Netscape term. Call it CSS-layout, or divisions
[<div>]. Tables are for tabular data. Like spreadsheets, address
lists - where columns and rows relate to each other.
Well, Beauregard, I'd much rather call it a division. I always wondered

why the tag was div but called layer.

I'll call the thing a division if you call it a division.

If you are serious about producing a good site, don't use
FrontPage. It produces the worst HTML I've ever seen (and that's
saying something).

Recall, Rumsfeld said: "You go to war with the army you have." I've got
FrontPage 2003 and am thinking about getting Expression Web Designer
when it comes out.

What Website design software do you recommend?

The common list of the worst HTML editors... <g> 4. Microsoft

FrontPlague 3. Microsoft Word 2. Microsoft Excel 1. Microsoft
Publisher

Reading the source of a page produced with Publisher is a chore worse
than changing your grandbaby's diapers.

Yeah! Us grandpas need to unite. Gray power!

Bill Fischer

Bill Fischer wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Layer is an old Netscape term. Call it CSS-layout, or divisions
[<div>]. Tables are for tabular data. Like spreadsheets, address
lists - where columns and rows relate to each other.

Well, Beauregard, I'd much rather call it a division. I always
wondered why the tag was div but called layer.

I'll call the thing a division if you call it a division.

Deal.

If you are serious about producing a good site, don't use FrontPage.
It produces the worst HTML I've ever seen (and that's saying
something).

Recall, Rumsfeld said: "You go to war with the army you have." I've
got FrontPage 2003 and am thinking about getting Expression Web
Designer when it comes out.

I actually started with a copy of the then-brand-new FrontPage 97, but
dumped after about a month, or less.

What Website design software do you recommend?

Notepad is a good start. :-) However, I like Crimson Editor.
http://crimsoneditor.com/ It is also a good project manager. Free.

Oh ... "design software" like WYSIWYG? Can't say as I don't use 'em. I
have played with NVu, though, and it produces reasonable code. It is the
standalone version of Mozilla's Composer. http://nvu.com/ Free.

The common list of the worst HTML editors... <g> 4. Microsoft
FrontPlague 3. Microsoft Word 2. Microsoft Excel 1. Microsoft
Publisher

Reading the source of a page produced with Publisher is a chore
worse than changing your grandbaby's diapers.

Yeah! Us grandpas need to unite. Gray power!

<lol> I've been gray since before the grandbaby's mother was a baby.

--
-bts
-Warning: I brake for lawn deer

On 2006-07-14, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:

On 2006-07-14, billfischermd (AT) netscape (DOT) net wrote:
I'm not trying to seem inflexible or stubborn, but why does it make a
difference if I use a table or a layer? I'm using FrontPage 2003.

Layer is an old Netscape term. Call it CSS-layout, or divisions [<div>].
Tables are for tabular data. Like spreadsheets, address lists - where
columns and rows relate to each other.

http://groups.google.com/groups?lnk=...ut+table+abuse

If you are serious about producing a good site, don't use FrontPage.
It produces the worst HTML I've ever seen (and that's saying
something).

The common list of the worst HTML editors... <g
4. Microsoft FrontPlague
3. Microsoft Word
2. Microsoft Excel
1. Microsoft Publisher

Do I detect a common element?

Reading the source of a page produced with Publisher is a chore worse
than changing your grandbaby's diapers.

No, it's much worse. It's been almost 13 years since I changed by
granddaughter's diaper, so perhaps time has softened the memory. I
could go and visit my 5-week old grandson to refresh it.

--
Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org>
================================================== =================
Author:
Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)

"Bill Fischer" <billfischermd (AT) dslextreme (DOT) com> wrote

Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:


If you are serious about producing a good site, don't use
FrontPage. It produces the worst HTML I've ever seen (and that's
saying something).


Rumsfeld said: "You go to war with the army you have."

I have FrontPage 2003. And, yes, I try to go into the HTML code to make
corrections.

Which designer do you recommend?

Bill Fischer

If you really want to use a WYSIWYG editor, the best I'd say is Dreamweaver
8. I use it and if you keep a eye on it, produces good clean code.
--
Cheers

Paul
le singe est dans l'arbre
http://www.paulwatt.info

On 2006-07-14, Bill Fischer wrote:

Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:


If you are serious about producing a good site, don't use
FrontPage. It produces the worst HTML I've ever seen (and that's
saying something).


Rumsfeld said: "You go to war with the army you have."

I have FrontPage 2003. And, yes, I try to go into the HTML code to make
corrections.

Which designer do you recommend?

I recommend a text editor. I use emacs, but even notepad would be
better than FrontPage.

--
Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfaj.freeshell.org>
================================================== =================
Author:
Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:

On 2006-07-14, billfischermd (AT) netscape (DOT) net wrote:
I'm not trying to seem inflexible or stubborn, but why does it make a
difference if I use a table or a layer? I'm using FrontPage 2003.

Layer is an old Netscape term. Call it CSS-layout, or divisions [<div>].
Tables are for tabular data. Like spreadsheets, address lists - where
columns and rows relate to each other.

http://groups.google.com/groups?lnk=...ut+table+abuse

If you are serious about producing a good site, don't use FrontPage.
It produces the worst HTML I've ever seen (and that's saying
something).

The common list of the worst HTML editors... <g
4. Microsoft FrontPlague
3. Microsoft Word
2. Microsoft Excel
1. Microsoft Publisher

You forgot MS Powerpoint. It seems that UK schools are using it to teach
web design - at least my daughter's was. I made sure I de-programmed her
by showing how to use notepad instead. She now scares her teachers by
knowing how to hand-code lists, links etc

--
Andrew @ Rockface
np: (Winamp is not active ;-)
www.rockface-records.co.uk

Andrew @ Rockface wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
The common list of the worst HTML editors... <g
4. Microsoft FrontPlague
3. Microsoft Word
2. Microsoft Excel
1. Microsoft Publisher

You forgot MS Powerpoint. It seems that UK schools are using it to
teach web design - at least my daughter's was. I made sure I
de-programmed her by showing how to use notepad instead. She now
scares her teachers by knowing how to hand-code lists, links etc

Oh yes, Poserpoint. Where on the list do you think it should fit?

--
-bts
-Warning: I brake for lawn deer

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Andrew @ Rockface wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
The common list of the worst HTML editors... <g
4. Microsoft FrontPlague
3. Microsoft Word
2. Microsoft Excel
1. Microsoft Publisher
You forgot MS Powerpoint. It seems that UK schools are using it to
teach web design - at least my daughter's was. I made sure I
de-programmed her by showing how to use notepad instead. She now
scares her teachers by knowing how to hand-code lists, links etc

Oh yes, Poserpoint. Where on the list do you think it should fit?

Unfortunately I've not seen it's html output but Freya (#1 daughter)
says it really bad.

Just got a colleague (I haven't tainted my workstation with it) to
create a new presentation with nothing in it save it as a 'web page'.
Here's what it created:

1 directory
8 files (3 x hml, 3 x xml, 1 x css, 1 x wmf)
725 lines
1464 words
22714 characters
22.1 KB (40.0 KB on disk)
No doc type
Deprecated elements
Lot and lots of javascript including browser detection.
God knows what that wmf file is for.

Not bad for an empty page

--
Andrew @ Rockface
np: (Winamp is not active ;-)
www.rockface-records.co.uk

Andrew @ Rockface wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
The common list of the worst HTML editors... <g
5. Microsoft FrontPlague
4. Microsoft Word
3. Microsoft Excel
2. Microsoft Powerpoint
1. Microsoft Publisher
You forgot MS Powerpoint.

Here's what it created: <snip
Not bad for an empty page

Thanks. On the list.

A couple of months ago, I sent an email to a webmaster who created a
site with Publisher. It was total crap, and absolutely nothing worked in
any browser but IE (which was still quite bad). I got a scathing reply
of, to paraphrase, "How dare you tell me how to create my web site?"

The sad part was that the webmaster's client paid for the site. :-(

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-bts
-Warning: I brake for lawn deer