Critique please...

#11

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:48:44 +0000, Alan Cole <justal (AT) lineone (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:

In article <42338a95$0$10953$cc9e4d1f (AT) news-text (DOT) dial.pipex.com>,
Ed <ex@directory> wrote:

Alan Cole wrote:
http://www.casalvista.co.uk

And another misspelling of the villa's name on the Contact Us page:

Caslavista Villa Spain - Contact Us

Grrr... Spanish and typing never were my strong points!!!

But... but... ? If that is true, what about your domain name? Isn't that a
mistake too?

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#12

Adrienne <arbpen2003 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:

Supply both mailto: links and a form, then your visitor has a choice.

Add cc:me to the form so the user can choose to have a copy of the message
sent to them.

Doing so would enable the form to be used for spamming.

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Spartanicus

#13

In message <justal-AE44C2.21083212032005 (AT) ptn-nntp-reader01 (DOT) plus.net>,
Alan Cole <justal (AT) lineone (DOT) net> writes

Quote:

In article <Z+tM9ol3I0MCFwTd (AT) gododdin (DOT) demon.co.uk>,
jake <jake (AT) gododdin (DOT) demon.co.uk> wrote:

In message <justal-BF2D94.16391912032005 (AT) ptn-nntp-reader01 (DOT) plus.net>,
Alan Cole <justal (AT) lineone (DOT) net> writes
Any critical (or otherwise) comments would be appreciated. I've done my
best to make the site conformable, accessible and use CSS for layout.
Its only a simple site and I'm quite happy with it so far, but I'm sure
improvements can be made, so let me know what you think, before I show
it to my client..

http://www.casalvista.co.uk

Thanks.
Alan.

[snip]

(a)

You have layout problems when you increase the size of your text:
IE6
===
http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/UT01X.JPG (50k)
http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/UT04X.JPG (39k)

Opera
=====
http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/UT02X.JPG (57k)

Netscape
=======
http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/UT03X.JPG (48k)

(b)
Check your text for missing punctuation

Quote:

ps. At the bottom of the page you have:
xhtml - css - 508 - aaa

Are you inviting your users to go and read up on the subjects (assuming
they've any idea what it's about) -- or are you claiming conformity to
the standards?

I think you know the answer to that.... claiming conformity, at least
that will be the plan when it's finished and the main reason for asking
for a critique here.

Maybe it would be better to leave off the 508 and AAA conformity

statements until your pages actually conform ;-)

Quote:

Cheers.
Al.

regards

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--
Jake

#14

In article <Uo1v42qRyBNCFwLV (AT) gododdin (DOT) demon.co.uk>,
jake <jake (AT) gododdin (DOT) demon.co.uk> wrote:

Quote:

In message <justal-AE44C2.21083212032005 (AT) ptn-nntp-reader01 (DOT) plus.net>,
Alan Cole <justal (AT) lineone (DOT) net> writes
In article <Z+tM9ol3I0MCFwTd (AT) gododdin (DOT) demon.co.uk>,
jake <jake (AT) gododdin (DOT) demon.co.uk> wrote:

In message <justal-BF2D94.16391912032005 (AT) ptn-nntp-reader01 (DOT) plus.net>,
Alan Cole <justal (AT) lineone (DOT) net> writes
Any critical (or otherwise) comments would be appreciated. I've done my
best to make the site conformable, accessible and use CSS for layout.
Its only a simple site and I'm quite happy with it so far, but I'm sure
improvements can be made, so let me know what you think, before I show
it to my client..

http://www.casalvista.co.uk

Thanks.
Alan.

[snip]

(a)

You have layout problems when you increase the size of your text:
IE6
===
http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/UT01X.JPG (50k)
http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/UT04X.JPG (39k)

Opera
=====
http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/UT02X.JPG (57k)

Netscape
=======
http://www.gododdin.demon.co.uk/ng/UT03X.JPG (48k)

Thanks.... I'll look into it.

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(b)
Check your text for missing punctuation

OK... will do.

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ps. At the bottom of the page you have:
xhtml - css - 508 - aaa

Are you inviting your users to go and read up on the subjects (assuming
they've any idea what it's about) -- or are you claiming conformity to
the standards?

I think you know the answer to that.... claiming conformity, at least
that will be the plan when it's finished and the main reason for asking
for a critique here.

Maybe it would be better to leave off the 508 and AAA conformity
statements until your pages actually conform ;-)

Yep.... Any suggestions about what doesn't conform at the moment.... It
passes the automatic conformity tests, but they obviously can't check
everything.

Al.

Quote:

Cheers.
Al.

regards

--
Alan Cole. E-mail: justal at lineone dot net
http://www.forces-of-nature.co.uk [Coastal Sports]
http://www.pixelwave.co.uk [Website Design, hosting and promotion]

#15

In message <justal-AA8EEB.11155013032005 (AT) ptn-nntp-reader01 (DOT) plus.net>,
Alan Cole <justal (AT) lineone (DOT) net> writes

Quote:

In article <Uo1v42qRyBNCFwLV (AT) gododdin (DOT) demon.co.uk>,
jake <jake (AT) gododdin (DOT) demon.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]

Quote:

http://www.casalvista.co.uk

[snip]

Quote:

Maybe it would be better to leave off the 508 and AAA conformity
statements until your pages actually conform ;-)

Yep.... Any suggestions about what doesn't conform at the moment.... It
passes the automatic conformity tests, but they obviously can't check
everything.

Al.
[snip]

There are no 'automatic conformity tests'.

You have just got to get down to checking each of your pages that claims
conformity against the specifications.

Try these:
http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT/full-checklist.html
http://www.webaim.org/standards/508/checklist

Sorry .... but there's just no other way.

regards.

--
Jake

#16

Adrienne wrote:

Quote:

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed kchayka <usenet (AT) c-net (DOT) us
writing in news:39hqh1F60lv8aU1 (AT) individual (DOT) net:

Ben Measures wrote:

[2] A simple form is preferred instead of mailto: links.

I disagree. Personally, I don't like mail forms because I don't
get a copy of the message.

Supply both mailto: links and a form, then your visitor has a
choice.

Add cc:me to the form so the user can choose to have a copy of the
message sent to them. That's in addition to the mailto.

A cc: opens up the form to a visitor with malicious intent. I could
fill it out with YOUR email address, and annoy you no end. <g>

My solution is to return a page with the form info displayed, suitable
for printing. So far, the only sites I know of that do this ... are
mine. :-)

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-bts
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#17

In article <Eb0bkmsWGDNCFwqE (AT) gododdin (DOT) demon.co.uk>,
jake <jake (AT) gododdin (DOT) demon.co.uk> wrote:

Quote:

In message <justal-AA8EEB.11155013032005 (AT) ptn-nntp-reader01 (DOT) plus.net>,
Alan Cole <justal (AT) lineone (DOT) net> writes
In article <Uo1v42qRyBNCFwLV (AT) gododdin (DOT) demon.co.uk>,
jake <jake (AT) gododdin (DOT) demon.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]

http://www.casalvista.co.uk

[snip]

Maybe it would be better to leave off the 508 and AAA conformity
statements until your pages actually conform ;-)

Yep.... Any suggestions about what doesn't conform at the moment.... It
passes the automatic conformity tests, but they obviously can't check
everything.

Al.
[snip]

There are no 'automatic conformity tests'.

You have just got to get down to checking each of your pages that claims
conformity against the specifications.

Try these:
http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT/full-checklist.html
http://www.webaim.org/standards/508/checklist

Sorry .... but there's just no other way.

regards.

I agree, automatic conformity tests can't test everything, for a start
they can't tell if text over a background image is readable, but they
can check certain things such as whether or not alternative text exists
for multimedia elements, if tabindex controls exist and even if text
over a coloured background has suitable contrast (among lots of other
things), so one of the automatic conformity testers is a good place to
start (if only because they provide you with exactly the same list of
specifications in the links you provided).

In a way, until there is a way of checking things automatically (or
getting individuals from an accessibility governing body to check them
for you) then checking the specifications manually will surely be a
slightly subjective pastime. For instance, having Alternative text for
images is pointless if the text is meaningless, deciding what the best
possible alt text for a particular image is will always be subjective.

Al.

--
Alan Cole. E-mail: justal at lineone dot net
http://www.forces-of-nature.co.uk [Coastal Sports]
http://www.pixelwave.co.uk [Website Design, hosting and promotion]

#18

kchayka wrote:

Quote:

Ben Measures wrote:

[2] A simple form is preferred instead of mailto: links.

I disagree. Personally, I don't like mail forms because I don't get a
copy of the message.

What Beauregard said.

Further, as an author I don't like the spam that mailto: links collect,
and as a user I don't like links to start external applications in new
windows (keep it in the canvas, please).

--
Ben M.

#19

kchayka wrote:

Quote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

My solution is to return a page with the form info displayed,
suitable for printing.

Sorry, but I don't think I like that idea much.

Better than nothing... <g>

Quote:

Firstly, I rarely print anything. If I saved the web page instead,
it couldn't be combined with sent messages in my mail client, so it
would probably just get lost or forgotten.

For me, mailto: is always best. It would be quite a different
matter if I used webmail, though.

I do also have a mailto link on all my contact pages. Nobody ever uses
them.

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-bts
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#20

Spartanicus wrote:

Quote:

Adrienne <arbpen2003 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

Supply both mailto: links and a form, then your visitor has a choice.

Add cc:me to the form so the user can choose to have a copy of the message
sent to them.

Doing so would enable the form to be used for spamming.

?php

$email=strtok($email,"`~!#\$%^&*()+={} |[]\\:\";\'<>?/");
?>
Only one email address and no html email - Yes/No?
TK
PHP newbee

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