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Bonnie Granat
 
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Default Can anything be done? - 02-16-2004 , 03:15 PM






If I build my site according to the recommendations given by my
esteemed colleagues here, then when someone views it in 600 x 800
resolution, the type is huge, even on the smallest setting in Internet
Explorer.

Can anything be done?

As always, many thanks.

The latest edition of my site is at:

Home http://www.granatedit.com/

Inside Page http://www.granatedit.com/technicalediting.html

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http://www.granatedit.com

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Els
 
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Default Re: Can anything be done? - 02-16-2004 , 03:33 PM






Bonnie Granat wrote:

Quote:
If I build my site according to the recommendations given by my
esteemed colleagues here, then when someone views it in 600 x 800
resolution, the type is huge, even on the smallest setting in Internet
Explorer.
If you are talking about the way it is now, I don't agree.
I just set my 19 inch monitor to 800x600, and it looks fine,
even though it is better when I set the font to smallest.

But people with 19 inch monitors, rarely use 800x600
resolution, unless they have troubles with their eyesight,
which is when you want the font big.
People who use 800x600 resolutions 'cause they can't get
more pixels into their screens, are on (more or less) 15
inch screens, and I think your font is just fine for that.

Quote:
Can anything be done?
Set it smaller :-)
But don't do it ;-)


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Default Re: Can anything be done? - 02-16-2004 , 03:39 PM



Quoth the raven named Bonnie Granat:

Quote:
If I build my site according to the recommendations given by my
esteemed colleagues here, then when someone views it in 600 x 800
resolution, the type is huge, even on the smallest setting in
Internet Explorer.
800x600 on what size monitor? If you have a 17" or greater monitor
and set it with a resolution of 800x600, of course it will be huge.
Most folks with reasonable vision and a 17"+ will be at 1024x768 or
maybe even greater. A lot of folks with 15" or smaller monitors will
still be using 800x600 resolution. Or less.

So what?

As long as you continue to set your main text to font-size: 100% you
will be fine. How /you/ see it is far less important. FWIW, the
current (as I write this) version is just fine. (The resume could
still be wider.)

Quote:
Can anything be done?
Well, you seem to ignore advice I have posted for you in the past,
including all the repeated stuff in your CSS. So, I guess I'm not
going to bother to repeat that again.

Quote:
As always, many thanks.
My pleasure.

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jake
 
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Default Re: Can anything be done? - 02-16-2004 , 04:36 PM



In message <71c7825b.0402161215.5c07ba4 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com>, Bonnie
Granat <bgranat (AT) granatedit (DOT) com> writes
Quote:
If I build my site according to the recommendations given by my
esteemed colleagues here, then when someone views it in 600 x 800
resolution, the type is huge, even on the smallest setting in Internet
Explorer.

Can anything be done?

As always, many thanks.

The latest edition of my site is at:

Home http://www.granatedit.com/

Inside Page http://www.granatedit.com/technicalediting.html

---------
Bonnie Granat
http://www.granatedit.com

I'm looking at it on a 17" screen (15.5" diagonal) at 800x600 with Text
Size set to "Medium".

Looks OK to me.

If I needed to I could always set the text size to 'Smaller' ...... but
it's OK as it is.

regards.
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Bonnie Granat
 
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Default Re: Can anything be done? - 02-16-2004 , 04:44 PM



Els wrote:
Quote:
Bonnie Granat wrote:

If I build my site according to the recommendations given by my
esteemed colleagues here, then when someone views it in 600 x 800
resolution, the type is huge, even on the smallest setting in
Internet Explorer.

If you are talking about the way it is now, I don't agree.
I just set my 19 inch monitor to 800x600, and it looks fine,
even though it is better when I set the font to smallest.

But people with 19 inch monitors, rarely use 800x600
resolution, unless they have troubles with their eyesight,
which is when you want the font big.
People who use 800x600 resolutions 'cause they can't get
more pixels into their screens, are on (more or less) 15
inch screens, and I think your font is just fine for that.

Can anything be done?

Set it smaller :-)
But don't do it ;-)

The news server seems to be back. ; )

I'm on a 15-inch (diagonal) -- 13-inch horizontal, 10-inch vertical --
screen and the highest resolution I can use is 1280 x 1024, which is what I
use. 800 x 600 looks awful. The body type is the equivalent of 12 or
14-point type on paper. That's huge! I hope not many people use that
resolution, but I don't think my stats tell me. I know that close to 98%
people use Windows who visit my site, and of these, about 90% use IE.

I can only hope....

Thanks.

Bonnie



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Bonnie Granat
 
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Default Re: Can anything be done? - 02-16-2004 , 04:48 PM



Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
Quote:
Quoth the raven named Bonnie Granat:

If I build my site according to the recommendations given by my
esteemed colleagues here, then when someone views it in 600 x 800
resolution, the type is huge, even on the smallest setting in
Internet Explorer.

800x600 on what size monitor? If you have a 17" or greater monitor
and set it with a resolution of 800x600, of course it will be huge.
Most folks with reasonable vision and a 17"+ will be at 1024x768 or
maybe even greater. A lot of folks with 15" or smaller monitors will
still be using 800x600 resolution. Or less.

I'm on a 15-inch (diagonal) -- 13-inch horizontal, 10-inch vertical --
screen and the highest resolution I can use is 1280 x 1024, which is what I
use. 800 x 600 looks awful. The body type is the equivalent of 12 or
14-point type on paper. That's huge! I hope not many people use that
resolution, but I don't think my stats tell me. I know that close to 98%
people use Windows who visit my site, and of these, about 90% use IE.


Quote:
So what?

As long as you continue to set your main text to font-size: 100% you
will be fine. How /you/ see it is far less important. FWIW, the
current (as I write this) version is just fine. (The resume could
still be wider.)
Grrr. ; )

Quote:
Can anything be done?

Well, you seem to ignore advice I have posted for you in the past,
including all the repeated stuff in your CSS. So, I guess I'm not
going to bother to repeat that again.

But just now you said it's not a problem? The question "can anything be
done" relates to the size issue, but your comment seems to be about the mess
that is my CSS file. Yes, I know I need to clean it up, and I do appreciate
your comments. But does that issue relate to the size issue?

B.

Quote:
As always, many thanks.

My pleasure.



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Bonnie Granat
 
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Default Re: Can anything be done? - 02-16-2004 , 04:52 PM



Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
Quote:
Can anything be done?

Well, you seem to ignore advice I have posted for you in the past,
including all the repeated stuff in your CSS. So, I guess I'm not
going to bother to repeat that again.

Beauregard,

I have taken and followed the advice of many people here! It may take a
while sometimes for me to do so, but that is due to my limited knowledge and
understanding, not to any negative opinion of the advice offered.

Why is it a big deal if there's extra stuff in the CSS? Bandwidth?
Is there an efficient way to check if styles are use in a document? In other
words, do I just search for the style in all the docs and then delete what's
not used in the CSS? That might be the quickest way, I'd think. I can do
that pretty quickly with TopStyle Pro 3, I think. That would be my next
project.

What other housekeeping do I need to do?

Does the site look OK? Good? Rotten? Passable? Barely readable?
Award-winning? (That's a joke). ; )

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Bonnie Granat
www.granatedit.com




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Bonnie Granat
 
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Default Re: Can anything be done? - 02-16-2004 , 05:53 PM



jake wrote:
Quote:
In message <71c7825b.0402161215.5c07ba4 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com>, Bonnie
Granat <bgranat (AT) granatedit (DOT) com> writes
If I build my site according to the recommendations given by my
esteemed colleagues here, then when someone views it in 600 x 800
resolution, the type is huge, even on the smallest setting in
Internet Explorer.

Can anything be done?

As always, many thanks.

The latest edition of my site is at:

Home http://www.granatedit.com/

Inside Page http://www.granatedit.com/technicalediting.html

---------
Bonnie Granat
http://www.granatedit.com


I'm looking at it on a 17" screen (15.5" diagonal) at 800x600 with
Text Size set to "Medium".

Looks OK to me.

If I needed to I could always set the text size to 'Smaller' ......
but it's OK as it is.

regards.
Can you compare the size of the body type with something you'd see in a
newspaper? Isn't it the size of a small headling -- say, 14 points? When I
said 12 points earlier, that's a bit small, it's more like 14 points here.


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www.granatedit.com




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Els
 
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Default Re: Can anything be done? - 02-16-2004 , 06:28 PM




Bonnie Granat wrote:

Quote:
Home http://www.granatedit.com/

Inside Page http://www.granatedit.com/technicalediting.html

Can you compare the size of the body type with something you'd see in a
newspaper? Isn't it the size of a small headling -- say, 14 points? When I
said 12 points earlier, that's a bit small, it's more like 14 points here.
I just got a newspaper here, and put it next to my screen,
and if the font on the screen were as small as the
newspaper's, I wouldn't be able to read it easily.
The newspaper itself I can read with no difficulties at all,
as I have pretty good eyesight.

Screen font is very different from paper font, I'd say...

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Eric Bohlman
 
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Default Re: Can anything be done? - 02-16-2004 , 06:53 PM



Els <els.aGEENSPAM (AT) tiscali (DOT) nl.invalid> wrote in
news:403151bb$0$41764$5fc3050 (AT) dreader2 (DOT) news.tiscali.nl:

Quote:
I just got a newspaper here, and put it next to my screen,
and if the font on the screen were as small as the
newspaper's, I wouldn't be able to read it easily.
The newspaper itself I can read with no difficulties at all,
as I have pretty good eyesight.

Screen font is very different from paper font, I'd say...
Yep, you've got to remember that for a given physical size, a letter
printed by a press on paper is going to have a *lot* more detail than a
raster font on a screen. Phototypeset text consists of true solids, so
it's meaningless to talk about dots per inch there, but it's at least as
good as 1200 dpi raster text. So that means a 12-point character on paper
is at least 200 "pixels" high, whereas on a 96 dpi screen, it's only 16
pixels high, and a 10-point character is only 13 pixels high. What that
means is that screen text gets blurry at sizes where print text is still
crisp, because with a limited number of pixels you can't represent some
detail (I mean, 7 pixels high is the bare minimum needed to represent the
English alphabet, and that's for uppercase letters only with no
descenders).



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