1001 Webs

On Nov 3, 10:18 pm, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.m... (AT) example (DOT) invalid> wrote:

1001 Webs wrote:
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
... and since you use Verdana (as explained in my link), an overly
large font, you also penalize everyone who is using a computer
without that font installed.

Helvetica and Arial, which I've defined as substitutes for Verdana,
are actually smaller.

Well, of course they are. That's why I said you penalize anyone who does
not have Verdana. Your 11px with Arial is way too small.

By the way, near as I can count, you have this:
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;

*172* times in your style sheet. It needs to be there only *once*. In
the body { }.

Change that one occurrence to:
font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;

Maybe add Tahoma at the beginning of it.

I am trying to make my style sheet as compatible as possible and I'm
getting a bit confused here.

I've read that the best size for font-size would be 76.1%; due to
shortcomings in the way both IE and Opera render that attribute.

Is this correct?

"1001 Webs" <1001webs (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

On Nov 3, 10:18 pm, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
a.nony.m... (AT) example (DOT) invalid> wrote:
1001 Webs wrote:
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
... and since you use Verdana (as explained in my link), an overly
large font, you also penalize everyone who is using a computer
without that font installed.

Helvetica and Arial, which I've defined as substitutes for Verdana,
are actually smaller.

Well, of course they are. That's why I said you penalize anyone who does
not have Verdana. Your 11px with Arial is way too small.

By the way, near as I can count, you have this:
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;

*172* times in your style sheet. It needs to be there only *once*. In
the body { }.

Change that one occurrence to:
font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;

Maybe add Tahoma at the beginning of it.

I am trying to make my style sheet as compatible as possible and I'm
getting a bit confused here.

I've read that the best size for font-size would be 76.1%; due to
shortcomings in the way both IE and Opera render that attribute.

And here you are again asking the same cross posted question.

Dipstick!

--
Richard.

On Nov 4, 1:35 pm, "rf" <r... (AT) invalid (DOT) com> wrote:

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On Nov 3, 10:18 pm, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
a.nony.m... (AT) example (DOT) invalid> wrote:
1001 Webs wrote:
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
... and since you use Verdana (as explained in my link), an overly
large font, you also penalize everyone who is using a computer
without that font installed.

Helvetica and Arial, which I've defined as substitutes for Verdana,
are actually smaller.

Well, of course they are. That's why I said you penalize anyone who does
not have Verdana. Your 11px with Arial is way too small.

By the way, near as I can count, you have this:
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;

*172* times in your style sheet. It needs to be there only *once*. In
the body { }.

Change that one occurrence to:
font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;

Maybe add Tahoma at the beginning of it.

I am trying to make my style sheet as compatible as possible and I'm
getting a bit confused here.

I've read that the best size for font-size would be 76.1%; due to
shortcomings in the way both IE and Opera render that attribute.

And here you are again asking the same cross posted question.
And here you are again posting the same multi-posted reply ...

Dipstick!
Chopstick !

On Nov 4, 1:32 pm, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.m... (AT) example (DOT) invalid> wrote:

1001 Webs wrote:
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
Change the font size to: 100% instead of any pixel or point value.

This is funny.

Probably so.

When you search for "sample css file" in Google the first two results
lead you to sample css files that use points instead of percentages:
http://www.computing.dcu.ie/~asmeato...odule.css.html

Because there are millions of web pages that do it wrong, is no reason
to emulate them. ;-)
Right

and this one from the sample offered for download at Zen Garden:
http://www.csszengarden.com/
http://www.csszengarden.com/zengarden-sample.css
but when you look at the CSS they are actually using at their website:
http://www.csszengarden.com/001/001.css
you only see percentages.

csszengarden has been around for quite some time, and is an exercise it
what can be accomplished with CSS. I would not consider it a viable
'tutorial', though. Heck, even most tutorials have errors.
It's not a tutorial.

It is a sample CSS file offered for download at their front page.
It can't be a mistake.

A conspiracy to mislead unaware people?

Nah. Just authors who don't understand. Even the oft-recommended tute at
htmldog.com recommends a too-small font size;http://htmldog.com/reference/cssproperties/font-size/

body {
font-family: arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 80%;

80% is ok for footers and legalese that nobody reads (though I stop at
85% as the smallest I use - for footer/legal). All other text is 100%.
I noticed that too.

Hey, we all did it wrong in the beginning, as I did, but someone turned
on my light bulb a bunch of years ago.
Sure.

Maybe you can turn my bulb on with this one, if you'd be so kind.
What's the use of using ems to specify font-sizing if you have already
done so in the body with 100%?
Does not make more sense to use percentages as well?
Have a look at this, please:
http://www.thenoodleincident.com/css/real.css

On Nov 4, 3:33 pm, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.m... (AT) example (DOT) invalid> wrote:

1001 Webs wrote:
Hey, we all did it wrong in the beginning, as I did, but someone turned
on my light bulb a bunch of years ago.

Sure.
Maybe you can turn my bulb on with this one, if you'd be so kind.
What's the use of using ems to specify font-sizing if you have already
done so in the body with 100%?

Only if you want to change a particular piece of content to something
other than 100%. Headings, footers...
That's exactly what I want to do.

Does not make more sense to use percentages as well?

In place of.

Yes, it does. As explained. You avoid the em bug in IE.
Ok,

That's sorted out, then.

Have a look at this, please:
http://www.thenoodleincident.com/css/real.css

body {
font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 76%;/* font sizing in ems, baby. if you want to change
anything, just change this.*/
...

That author went small because he is using Verdana. Look at his pages
without Verdana and see what happens. And why does the comment say "in
ems, baby" when it plainly is a percent value?
Strange eh?

I'm telling you, this is a conspiracy ...

If you add the Web Developer Toolbar to Firefox,http://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/
you can easily adjust sizes and .. remove Verdana .. from the author's
style sheet and see what happens.
I have it installed, but I didn't realize that you could turn fonts

off.
I t doesn't look excessively bad, though.

I think I got it now.
Thank you for everything

P.D.
Personal question:
Are you from India?