Where can I get a good list of browser market shares

Does anyone have a source of a good, reliable and up to date list of the
market shares held by each major browser, with the version. I'm doing a
site in css, and need to find out which browsers I should make sure work
perfectly, and which have a low share so aren't worth the effort. The site
should be viewable on them all anyway, just with some of the graphics
slightly out of place in some cases, since the scale of the site really
doesn't justify separate css files for every possible browser that could
ever be used.
Thanks

David

David Walker wrote:

Is KHTML Konqueror (the Linux one) or something else?

Yes, it's Konqueror and also Mac Safari.

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"David Walker" <wbsdavenews (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Does anyone have a source of a good, reliable and up to date list of the
market shares held by each major browser, with the version.

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

Altamir

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Altamir wrote:

"David Walker" <wbsdavenews (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Does anyone have a source of a good, reliable and up to date list of the
market shares held by each major browser, with the version.


http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

For some strange interpretation of "good" and "reliable". These are typical
web statistics - in other words, unreliable.

Maybe they are, but they give us a coarse estimation what's going on.
For example: we cannot ignore viewers with 800x600 resolution display,
because there are about 40% of them.

From that very page:
"You cannot - as a web developer - rely only on statistics. Statistics can
often be misleading."

True. Like all of them. But as a web developer I must rely on
something beside my web server logs.

Altamir

"You cannot - as a web developer - rely only on statistics. Statistics can
often be misleading."

No, but I did want a very rough guide to see what I need to particularly
concentrate on. With a lot using IE5 i'll make sure the site looks perfect
in that, but with say 1% using Opera then I won't worry too much about a
small image 2 pixels out of place. That said, IE5.0 seems to have some very
odd sizing rules, and I haven't worked out what is making it wrong compared
to IE6, Mozilla and Opera yet.

David

Le 10/07/2003 15:59, David Walker a écrit :

"You cannot - as a web developer - rely only on statistics. Statistics can
often be misleading."


No, but I did want a very rough guide to see what I need to particularly
concentrate on. With a lot using IE5 i'll make sure the site looks perfect
in that, but with say 1% using Opera then I won't worry too much about a
small image 2 pixels out of place. That said, IE5.0 seems to have some very
odd sizing rules, and I haven't worked out what is making it wrong compared
to IE6, Mozilla and Opera yet.

David

It tend to think like others that it depends on you target, the site in
my sig file for instance an overwhelming majority of Mozilla/netscape
visiors ;-). My other site (company website, I sell furniture in the B2B
market) has 85% IE visitors, 8% Gecko based visitors, 1% NS4, 0.2% Opera
based and 0.9% KHTML based. Apparently, Gecko browsers are more popular
than one would think in French companies ;-)

Pascal

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On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:34:38 +0200, Pascal Chevrel
<pascal.chevrel_nospam_ (AT) free (DOT) fr> wrote:

It tend to think like others that it depends on you target, the site in
my sig file for instance an overwhelming majority of Mozilla/netscape
visiors ;-). My other site (company website, I sell furniture in the B2B
market) has 85% IE visitors, 8% Gecko based visitors, 1% NS4, 0.2% Opera
based and 0.9% KHTML based. Apparently, Gecko browsers are more popular
than one would think in French companies ;-)

But how many of those pretending to be IE are actually IE? Don't forget
that Opera at least identifies itself as IE by default.

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Stephen Poley

http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/

Opera doesn't "identify" itself as IE, it declares itself "compatible"
with IE [1] when configured to do so. This causes dumb browser sniffers
to think that it's IE, but Opera always correctly identifies itself as
Opera.

Yeah, i've just been doing the browser detection to get the stylesheets
right, and to use for a log. I've found that all browser strings do give
their own name somewhere, but you have to check for those names first, then
check for MSIE, and lastly check for Mozilla, since even IE declares
Mozilla/4.0. Opera gives its name as MSIE 6 because it means that websites
which don't have very good browser checking will let it view the same code
as IE does, which in general will be compatible. More advanced websites
which do want to do something specific for Opera can check for the Opera
string though and work with that.

David

On Thu, Jul 10, Headless inscribed on the eternal scroll:

[1] In the same way that IE declares itself compatible with Mozilla

Our log (back at the campus) gets occasional visits from this:

Mozilla/6.8a1 (compatible; NoYdb v.42; NextOS)

cheers (sure, I know it's a spoof)

On Thu, Jul 10, David Walker inscribed on the eternal scroll:

Yeah, i've just been doing the browser detection to get the stylesheets
right,

Please have a read of http://www.mnot.net/cache_docs/ about the
implications of cache servers.

and to use for a log.

You could also read Jeff Goldberg's justly famous rant about
browser statistics.

I've found that all browser strings do give
their own name somewhere, but you have to check for those names first, then
check for MSIE, and lastly check for Mozilla, since even IE declares
Mozilla/4.0.

It's much more cache-friendly to use one or more of the techniques
shown at http://w3development.de/css/hide_css_from_browsers/
if you want to do anything.

On the other hand, if you make a competent WWW page, why would any WWW
browser not be able to browse it competently? If you believe that
MSIE needs special treatment, maybe it indicates that you don't
believe that MSIE is capable of browsing WWW pages? (A lot of pages
give the impression that their authors suspected the same.)

Opera gives its name as MSIE 6 because it means that websites
which don't have very good browser checking will let it view the same code
as IE does, which in general will be compatible.

As far as I understood it, the original reason for Opera pretending to
be MSIE was because of stupid web deezyners who checked for NN4 or
MSIE and told everyone else to get lost.

More advanced websites

<cough>

which do want to do something specific for Opera can check for the Opera
string though and work with that.

I.e they make themselves part of the problem, instead of helping to
solve it.

best regards