Site review please

"Henri" <henri.baeyens (AT) wanadoo (DOT) fr> writes:

Says who? Is this 'in your experience' or is it based on some proper
analysis?

on my own stats (for 3 different sites), between 2% and 5%.

Oh, clients who have you redesign their sites will ony alienate 2-5% of
their customer base? No big deal, then.

Oh, clients who have you redesign their sites will ony alienate 2-5% of
their customer base? No big deal, then.

I won't take that decision, but the client might (and sometimes does).

"Henri" <henri.baeyens (AT) wanadoo (DOT) fr> wrote

Yes, your site is useless without Javascript.


So what you're saying is, you can't use js; the technology is there but,
hey, don't take advantage of it.

Not really. Use the technology, but be prepared for people not being able to
see it. If you want the maximum amount of people to be able to see your
site, then make the content available.

For example, how hard is it to have a lower tech version of your page
available for non-JS enabled browsers?

"Henri" <henri.baeyens (AT) wanadoo (DOT) fr> wrote

well, I'm not putting up a search engine. And the number of people who
turn off js is minimal.

Not true.

However, even if it was how many people do you want to think your site
sucks?

Also, what about people browsing on their mobile phones or from internet
kiosks? They are no interest to you?

At the end of the day, it is up to you how you design your site. If you want
to keep it to a select group of people who are using a specific
browser/computer/connection combination then fine. If you want to create a
presence on the web which will increase your exposure to as many people as
possible then guess what your goal is.

"Henri" <henri.baeyens (AT) wanadoo (DOT) fr> wrote

How is it that every stoooopid dezigner is too stupid to understand
anything said to him (m/f), but still manages to find this groups (or
equivalents)?


yeah, maybe you're right; should I really care about some obnoxious anal
wankers?

You cared enough for a site review request.

Were you hoping everyone would gush over your site and say how brilliant it
is? Very unlikely. Getting other people to look at your site is important -
if you don't want visitors why have a site? - however, it also means you
have to live with their comments. Even the ones you don't like.

"Henri" <henri.baeyens (AT) wanadoo (DOT) fr> wrote

I know it does not, but it does not matter since the content is in the
page (it is not generated); it just sits on an invisible layers which is
shown when it's content is fully loaded. Spiders are not very smart.

However, JS implementations can affect how the spider views your site and
more importantly, how it is ranked.

If you want your site in Google, and the resulting traffic, why is it such a
problem to cater for a wider audience?

it depends on the target audience and on the type of site. you can bend
the rules.

Very true. Maybe you would be better served creating the site on a CD Rom
with a viewing application and sending it out to people. That or an intranet
site.

"Henri" <henri.baeyens (AT) wanadoo (DOT) fr> wrote

Oh, clients who have you redesign their sites will ony alienate 2-5% of
their customer base? No big deal, then.

I won't take that decision, but the client might (and sometimes does).

However, I assume from your comments that you don't explain the risk to
them. Do you know of any company that is prepared to turn away up to 5% of
its customers simply because its "too hard" to make a site that degrades
gracefully?

How hard is it to put a JS detection script in at the start and point the
failures to a text only sight. This will also mean you can cater for
hearing/visually impaired people, odd browsers etc.