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Bruce Lewis
 
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Default mollifying Internet Explorer FAQ? - 06-05-2006 , 11:23 PM






I just noticed some CSS of mine does not work in IE. Hoping to avoid
booting into XP as much as possible, I'm hoping to just read a FAQ for
how to mollify the old browser. Many questions on this group have a
variant of "Why doesn't this work in IE" as the subject line, but they
cover a variety of problems. I'll slog through old answers if I have
to, or just figure it out, but if there's a FAQ I'd definitely prefer
it.

In case anyone feels charitable enough to just tell me, it's here:

http://ourdoings.com/csstest1/

In Firefox the text fits inside the white area. In IE it starts in the
blue margin to the left and ends before the right end of the white area.

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John Hosking
 
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Default Re: mollifying Internet Explorer FAQ? - 06-06-2006 , 06:20 AM






Bruce Lewis wrote:
Quote:
I just noticed some CSS of mine does not work in IE. Hoping to avoid
booting into XP as much as possible, I'm hoping to just read a FAQ for
how to mollify the old browser. Many questions on this group have a
variant of "Why doesn't this work in IE" as the subject line, but they
cover a variety of problems. I'll slog through old answers if I have
to, or just figure it out, but if there's a FAQ I'd definitely prefer
it.

In case anyone feels charitable enough to just tell me, it's here:

http://ourdoings.com/csstest1/

It's not that I don't feel charitable, I just don't know enough about
all the hacks one might want to employ for IE. So far, I haven't had to
employ any, probably because I haven't tried to use any really
adventurous techniques (maybe I'm just not creative enough). I don't
know of a FAQ, but some posters might have a favorite "hack" site. I
think I personally would start at www.positioniseverything.net .

But I did have a look at your site (there: _that's_ charitable!), on the
off chance I might be able to help you, and anyway, I might learn
something. Well, I do see that IE garbles your left margin, but I can't
tell you why. I looked quickly at your code and your CSS (although I
don't understand your b.css, which merely imports your main.css). And
now I gave up, because there's more of both than I can wade through in
my head.

Since this appears to be a test case (and not a real page), why don't
you simplify it? Edit out the (at least) last three rows of photos, your
footer table and text, your byMonth div, and all their associated
styles, plus the styles you're not even using now (e.g., .fullsize). If
you do this iteratively, you'll probably find two things:
1) People will be more willing and able to help you; and
2) You might figure out the problem yourself, or can narrow down the
question ("Doesn't IE support left-handed frangibles?").

So now I'm done, because the problems you're having are too complicated
for me to spend time on (so I guess I'm *not* that charitable ;-) ).

John


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Default Re: mollifying Internet Explorer FAQ? - 06-06-2006 , 08:46 AM



Bruce Lewis <brlspam (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in news:nm9pshnq865.fsf@scrubbing-
bubbles.mit.edu:

Quote:
I just noticed some CSS of mine does not work in IE. Hoping to avoid
booting into XP as much as possible, I'm hoping to just read a FAQ for
how to mollify the old browser. Many questions on this group have a
variant of "Why doesn't this work in IE" as the subject line, but they
cover a variety of problems. I'll slog through old answers if I have
to, or just figure it out, but if there's a FAQ I'd definitely prefer
it.

In case anyone feels charitable enough to just tell me, it's here:

http://ourdoings.com/csstest1/

In Firefox the text fits inside the white area. In IE it starts in
the
blue margin to the left and ends before the right end of the white
area.

Have you tried assigning "margin: 0 auto" to the relevant <div> rather
than <body> -- if IE is throwing a wobbly at "width: 760px", it might be
ignoring the margin as well.

Haven't tried this myself, mind!

HTH

blagne ford
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Adrienne Boswell
 
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Default Re: mollifying Internet Explorer FAQ? - 06-07-2006 , 02:43 AM



Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Bruce Lewis <brlspam (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
writing in news:nm9pshnq865.fsf (AT) scrubbing-bubbles (DOT) mit.edu:

Quote:
I just noticed some CSS of mine does not work in IE. Hoping to avoid
booting into XP as much as possible, I'm hoping to just read a FAQ for
how to mollify the old browser. Many questions on this group have a
variant of "Why doesn't this work in IE" as the subject line, but they
cover a variety of problems. I'll slog through old answers if I have
to, or just figure it out, but if there's a FAQ I'd definitely prefer
it.

In case anyone feels charitable enough to just tell me, it's here:

http://ourdoings.com/csstest1/

In Firefox the text fits inside the white area. In IE it starts in
the blue margin to the left and ends before the right end of the white
area.
Yikes! I see, said the blind man to his deaf dog.

You're using a transitional doctype. New documents should use Strict.
One of the reasons is that transitional throws the UA into quirks mode,
so the UA could do anything (including this). Strict will put the UA
into standards mode, and you might get better results.

You are doing some strange things with your class naming conventions,
eg. class="entry _2004 _200404 _20040422", see
<http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/goodclassnames>. Or is there a script
generating this?

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Default Re: mollifying Internet Explorer FAQ? - 06-07-2006 , 02:48 AM



Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, Adrienne Boswell
<arbpen (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> declared in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.site-design:

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New documents should use Strict.
Indeed. However, to clarify...

Quote:
One of the reasons is that transitional throws the UA into quirks mode,
Only if the URI is omitted from the doctype declaration (as is the case
with the OP's site).

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Bruce Lewis
 
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Default Re: mollifying Internet Explorer FAQ? - 06-09-2006 , 11:44 PM



Mark Parnell <webmaster (AT) clarkecomputers (DOT) com.au> writes:

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One of the reasons is that transitional throws the UA into quirks mode,

Only if the URI is omitted from the doctype declaration (as is the case
with the OP's site).
You were right. Just setting the doctype was enough for even IE to get
things right. At some point I'll wean myself off the CENTER element and
switch to the strict doctype.


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Bruce Lewis
 
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Default Re: mollifying Internet Explorer FAQ? - 06-09-2006 , 11:47 PM



Adrienne Boswell <arbpen (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> writes:

Quote:
You are doing some strange things with your class naming conventions,
eg. class="entry _2004 _200404 _20040422", see
http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/goodclassnames>. Or is there a script
generating this?
It's database-generated. The idea was to let people style news entries
for certain years, months or dates.


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Bruce Lewis
 
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Default Re: mollifying Internet Explorer FAQ? - 06-09-2006 , 11:53 PM



John Hosking <John (AT) Hosking (DOT) name.invalid> writes:

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(although I don't understand your b.css, which merely imports your
main.css).
That's somewhat of a performance hack.

People using ourdoings.com can choose a canned style and/or add their
own custom CSS. The HTML page queries the database for only one bit of
style information: Is there any custom style or not? Then b.css, if it
is used at all, queries the database for what canned style, if any, is
used and imports it. Then it outputs any custom CSS.

In the example page I gave, I used a canned style and no custom style.

More about the feature here:
http://ourdoings.com/forum/posts/list/7.page

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