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Karl Core
 
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Default Re: Layout of this page - 11-17-2004 , 09:35 AM







"Luigi Donatello Asero" <jaggillarfotboll (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote

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In comp.infosystems.www.authoring.site-design,alt.html Luigi Donatello
Asero said:

You have 512k but there are people having some MBs here in Sweden and
some
even use optical fibre connection! They can load the page in some
secunds or
less!

australia is a third world country if you're not living on the coastal
strip. the further inland you go the worse it gets.

Ok.
If I wanted to get much more users visiting the website from Australia it
would be very important to reduce the size of the homepage.

Some studies show that 60% of people will abandon an online transaction if
the pages download slowly. This has been estimated to translate into $4
billion in lost e-commerce revenue each year.

"Users will wait about 10 seconds for a page to load, sometimes 15
seconds, before they lose interest" - Usability.gov
This makes it all the more important to do your part to limit the size of
the page and therefore trim down the load times. 60% of users use a 56kbps
connection speed or slower. Considering the fact that actual connection
speeds are slower than the modem's capability, total page weight should be
no more than about 30 KB.

http://www.humanfactors.com/downloads/sept982.htm

http://www.humanfactors.com/downloads/aug032.htm

http://www.humanfactors.com/downloads/apr012.htm




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Luigi Donatello Asero
 
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Default Re: Layout of this page - 11-17-2004 , 10:16 AM







"brucie" <shit (AT) usenetshit (DOT) info> skrev i meddelandet
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In comp.infosystems.www.authoring.site-design,alt.html Luigi Donatello
Asero said:

forget about australia we only have about 13 million on line. the vast
majority of the 934 million internet users use 56k dialup to access the
net. your pages are waaaaay too big.

How many in the EU? And how many with broadband?
It is important to know the local consumer laws,

i wasn't talking about consumer laws. i was talking about how people
connect to the net and your pages are waaaaaay too big for the majority
of users. at the moment if the size of them doesn't turn people off the
design will. really and truly, i'm not saying it to be nasty.

I mentioned the consumers laws only to say that I am interested to know how
consumers in the EU are connected and not outside the EU because I
cannot offer services or wares outside the EU at the moment.
And it seems as broadband is becoming more and more popular here in Sweden.
So, when we are talking about the majority, we have to talk about the
majority of users within EU and especially in Sweden.
What about the page http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/test1.html
anyway?
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http://www.italymap.dk/
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/uebersetzung.html








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Luigi Donatello Asero
 
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Default Re: Layout of this page - 11-17-2004 , 10:23 AM




"Neal" <neal413 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> skrev i meddelandet
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Luigi Donatello Asero wrote:
"brucie" skrev
rf said:
They are both equally bad.

aahhhhhhhaaaaaaaa what did you say that for? you made me look


You do not seem to have much to say in the last time.
I hope you are fine.

He's brucie, he's not fine. Here's why...

1) Too many pictures! Fills up even a big screen. Put words up there, have
pictures on another page.

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2) Too many welcomes. I'm welcome already! Scrolled all the way through
all that. Either have a separate page for each language, or use a few less
languages.
Do you mean somethíng like
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/test1.html
and
a separate page for each language.
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/valkommen.html
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/de/willkommen.html
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/en/welcome.html


http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/fr/bienvenue.html
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/dk/velkommen.html
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/es/bienvenidos.html

http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/it/benvenuti.html


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3) There's really no "style" to the design. Looks like the label of a
medicine bottle. What do you want people to feel about your business?
Right now, I don't feel much based on the site.

Here's a page that makes me "feel" something. [http://www.timecube.com/]
I do not like this page!!!

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It makes me feel the author is insane and desparate to bully me into
believing.

Here's another. [http://www.ford.com/en/default.htm] Calming, relaxing,
and a touch of elegance. (And a bit ignorant of accessibility too.)
It is only in one language and does not offer a large variety of products or
services, in my opinion.
How should I tell the users about all I offer otherwise?

The latter is much better but it is only in one language and presents only a
few items.

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Neal
 
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Default Re: Layout of this page - 11-17-2004 , 10:40 AM



On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:23:08 GMT, Luigi Donatello Asero
<jaggillarfotboll (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

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Do you mean somethíng like
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/test1.html
and
a separate page for each language.
Something like that, sure. But one thing - how does your user know the
language code is clickable? It's not very obvious.

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Here's a page that makes me "feel" something. [http://www.timecube.com/]

I do not like this page!!!
Neither do I! But your page is, I'm afraid, a little too similar to it.

That page is an example of what NOT to do.

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Here's another. [http://www.ford.com/en/default.htm] Calming, relaxing,
and a touch of elegance. (And a bit ignorant of accessibility too.)

It is only in one language and does not offer a large variety of
products or
services, in my opinion.
How should I tell the users about all I offer otherwise?
First, if you offer a lot of unrelated services, use a separate site for
each. If the services are really inter-related, then list them.

Check out http://www.vivabit.com/ - three distinct but related services
offered, very clearly described.

The point is, none of these designs are good for you. You need one that
fits your content. Look at sites which really look nice. How can you apply
it to your site?


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Luigi Donatello Asero
 
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Default Re: Layout of this page - 11-17-2004 , 11:31 AM




"Neal" <neal413 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> skrev i meddelandet
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:23:08 GMT, Luigi Donatello Asero
jaggillarfotboll (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

Do you mean somethíng like
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/test1.html
and
a separate page for each language.

Something like that, sure. But one thing - how does your user know the
language code is clickable? It's not very obvious.
The links are underlined, aren´t they?
An other option would be this:

http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/test2.html
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Here's another. [http://www.ford.com/en/default.htm] Calming, relaxing,
and a touch of elegance. (And a bit ignorant of accessibility too.)

It is only in one language and does not offer a large variety of
products or
services, in my opinion.
How should I tell the users about all I offer otherwise?

First, if you offer a lot of unrelated services, use a separate site for
each. If the services are really inter-related, then list them.

I offer as one-man business all the things which are on the websites,
they are inter-related this way
and to have one site for each thing would be more expensive, I think.

Quote:
Check out http://www.vivabit.com/ - three distinct but related services
offered, very clearly described.

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The point is, none of these designs are good for you. You need one that
fits your content. Look at sites which really look nice. How can you apply
it to your site?

I like the site which you mentioned above but as you say I need one that
fits my content.
I think that pictures are important for my website.



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http://www.italymap.dk/
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/rimini.html







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Inger Helene Falch-Jacobsen
 
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Default Re: Layout of this page - 11-17-2004 , 01:24 PM



Luigi Donatello Asero wrote:
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"Inger Helene Falch-Jacobsen" <Inger (AT) neseblod (DOT) invalid> skrev i meddelandet
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Luigi Donatello Asero wrote:

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Too many thumbnails on the front page. Title text
for each image would improve usability.

Title text can be a good idea, it will take time, though.
Just cut'n'paste the alt text,

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Which images would you choose?
This is getting very detailed, but I'd suggest for
example:
Keep one of the necklaces, one of the bracelets,
either red cups or green cups, one glass flower
picture, the cat (I like it!), one of the wine
glass pictures, one ceremic dish, Elba.jpg,
sangregorio3.jpg, and "lille röda stugan",
hus02.jpg. That's 10, showing the scope of what
you have to offer. 52 is just too much for one
page. Spread them out on the other pages instead!

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Statistics show that many visit that page so I would rather guess that many
users having high speed connection are just locked by these pictures.
Do you know if they stay on your site and visit
your other pages?

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On the one hand a decreasing number having ADSL would probably visit a page
with just some pictures:
on the other hand an increasing number of users having low speed connection
would probably visit the home page with fewer pictures.
I have a modem here... But then again I'm maybe
not your average customer...

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Your contact form is a mess... It's impossible to
decide which question belongs to which field (the
questions are too long and elaborate). And as a
Norwegian, I do understand a bit of Swedish!



There are not many people who are familiar with intermediation for rent of
holidays lodgings.
The contact form is elaborate because the user needs get a lot of
information.
You could just add some space between the
fields/items, then it will be all right.


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Sidan 1 om svensk keramik - Sidan 4 om italiensk
keramik: Try to sort the items into categories
instead. "Page 1" doesn't mean anything!


I share your opinion on this subject but that depends on that there are
always new articles coming.
OK!


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Kris
 
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Default Re: Layout of this page - 11-17-2004 , 01:55 PM



In article <CzNmd.8315$rh1.216159 (AT) news2 (DOT) e.nsc.no>,
Inger Helene Falch-Jacobsen <Inger (AT) neseblod (DOT) invalid> wrote:

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Title text can be a good idea, it will take time, though.

Just cut'n'paste the alt text,
You obviously don't know the difference between the two or else you
would not advice people to do this.

alt = alternative information = instead of
title = additional information = on top of

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Inger Helene Falch-Jacobsen
 
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Default Re: Layout of this page - 11-17-2004 , 02:02 PM



Kris wrote:

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In article <CzNmd.8315$rh1.216159 (AT) news2 (DOT) e.nsc.no>,
Inger Helene Falch-Jacobsen <Inger (AT) neseblod (DOT) invalid> wrote:


Title text can be a good idea, it will take time, though.

Just cut'n'paste the alt text,


You obviously don't know the difference between the two or else you
would not advice people to do this.

alt = alternative information = instead of
title = additional information = on top of
OK, this was just in case Luigi found the task
overwhelming... I see your point, and you are
completely correct, as to what alt and title text
is. I know the difference... i think...


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Henry
 
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Neal wrote:

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Here's another. [http://www.ford.com/en/default.htm] Calming, relaxing,
and a touch of elegance. (And a bit ignorant of accessibility too.)

OMG. Neil! That's against your religion!


T A B L E S ! ! !



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Luigi Donatello Asero
 
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Default Re: Layout of this page - 11-17-2004 , 05:59 PM




"kchayka" <usenet (AT) c-net (DOT) us> skrev i meddelandet
news:30215vF2pfrspU1 (AT) uni-berlin (DOT) de...
Quote:
Luigi Donatello Asero wrote:
"Neal" <neal413 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> skrev i meddelandet
newspshmbaiqy6v6656 (AT) news (DOT) individual.net...

First, if you offer a lot of unrelated services, use a separate site
for
each. If the services are really inter-related, then list them.

I offer as one-man business all the things which are on the websites,
they are inter-related this way
and to have one site for each thing would be more expensive, I think.

Consider using subdomains, e.g.
service1.scaiecat-spa.gigi.com
service2.scaiecat-spa.gigi.com
It would be much more difficult to put advertisements, to order visiting
cards or just tell people I meet
which websites my one-man business has this way
I have only 2 websites at the moment and only one on my visiting cards.


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http://www.italymap.dk
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com






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