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In 1996 almost all webpages were lacking in a decent layout and had colours that made one's eyes hurt. About colours having a very sharp contrast, may-be you refer to http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com mostly. Yet, I have to say that the very fact that you compare it to the design which was in trend in 1996 seems to show that it is more of a trend issue rather than a real problem. |
was still being figured out. There were no "real" web browsers (ones
that worked anyway) and the standards were still fairly fluid. Sites
from that era (even the good ones) are terrible by today's standards.
It's not a trend thing, it's a technology thing.
Perhaps go have a look at http://www.coolhomepages.com and see what the
professionals are building these days.
Design your site on paper first. Then lay it out in PhotoShop or some
other graphics program. When you can stand back and look at your drafts
and you think that compares to a modern commercial site, then go and
build an actual page.
A good web site is as much about aesthetics and design sense as it is
about the technical bits and pieces. And it's all useless if you don't
have good content.
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In comp.infosystems.www.authoring.site-design,alt.html Luigi Donatello Asero said: size is also an issue http://www.websiteoptimization.com/s...-spa-gigi.com/ I agree. But on the other side the high number of pictures seem to attract many users before i got weeeeeeeeee! installed the page would have taken well over 2 minutes to download. i'm one visitor you would have lost at the 20 second mark if not before. |
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Luigi Donatello Asero wrote: In 1996 almost all webpages were lacking in a decent layout and had colours that made one's eyes hurt. About colours having a very sharp contrast, may-be you refer to http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com mostly. Yet, I have to say that the very fact that you compare it to the design which was in trend in 1996 seems to show that it is more of a trend issue rather than a real problem. No, in 1996 WWW was pretty new and the technology for creating web pages was still being figured out. There were no "real" web browsers (ones that worked anyway) and the standards were still fairly fluid. Sites from that era (even the good ones) are terrible by today's standards. |
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It's not a trend thing, it's a technology thing. |
However I still think that it is mostly a matter of taste.
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Perhaps go have a look at http://www.coolhomepages.com and see what the professionals are building these days. Design your site on paper first. Then lay it out in PhotoShop or some other graphics program. When you can stand back and look at your drafts and you think that compares to a modern commercial site, then go and build an actual page. |
end, not for a website which tries to present something new the whole time.
I know how the website should look but since I started building the website
I added new things, for example
glasses and then I had to modify the contents, that may happen again, so
what you wrote may-be good generally speaking but not ( in my opinion) for
this website and if you want to update often the website.
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A good web site is as much about aesthetics and design sense as it is about the technical bits and pieces. And it's all useless if you don't have good content. |
You man not know much Italian, if you do you may like to read the page
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/it/svezia.html
for example.
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http://www.italymap.dk/
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/sicilien.html
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In comp.infosystems.www.authoring.site-design,alt.html Luigi Donatello Asero said: before i got weeeeeeeeee! installed the page would have taken well over 2 minutes to download. i'm one visitor you would have lost at the 20 second mark if not before. Do you have a modem or ADSL? neither i was on 2.6k dialup, i'm now on 512k (weeeeeeeeee!) satellite |
2,6 is not that much.
But the problem is to choose between 2 options:
a) fewer pictures and a much faster download time which would be a great
advantage for those who
have 2.6k dialup
b) more pictures which may lock them who have broadband
There are quite many users in Sweden who have broadband, how many users
approximately use broadband in Australia?
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http://www.italymap.dk/
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/sicilien.html
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/es/bienvenidos.html
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In comp.infosystems.www.authoring.site-design,alt.html Luigi Donatello Asero said: Do you have a modem or ADSL? neither i was on 2.6k dialup, i'm now on 512k (weeeeeeeeee!) satellite Ok. 2,6 is not that much. the last time i dialed up it was 1.8k. it just kept getting progressively worse. line quality and more people getting on the line was the problem. But the problem is to choose between 2 options: a) fewer pictures and a much faster download time which would be a great advantage for those who have 2.6k dialup advantage for everyone b) more pictures which may lock them who have broadband i disagree. |
even use optical fibre connection! They can load the page in some secunds or
less!
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There are quite many users in Sweden who have broadband, how many users approximately use broadband in Australia? land based broadband is available to about 2% of the population so users would be somewhere below that. if you're willing to pay for it satellite broadband is available to everyone for about $1600/month. my 512k is $500/month (4gb limit). |
procentage of people living in Sweden have broadband than 2%.
http://www.nua.com/surveys/index.cgi...57245&rel=true
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http://www.italymap.dk/
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/es/bienvenidos.html
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Luigi Donatello Asero wrote: I wonder whether you think that the page www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com looks better or worse than www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/test3.html or may-be does not make any big difference. |
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Too many thumbnails on the front page. Title text for each image would improve usability. |
Title text can be a good idea, it will take time, though.
Which images would you choose?
Statistics show that many visit that page so I would rather guess that many
users having high speed connection are just locked by these pictures.
On the one hand a decreasing number having ADSL would probably visit a page
with just some pictures:
on the other hand an increasing number of users having low speed connection
would probably visit the home page with fewer pictures.
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I think you need a logo of some sort to place in the top of all pages, it could be a plain <h1> in a well-chosen color if you aren't an artist.... |
it would probably improve the design.
However, I assume that there more important things to improve on the site
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Don't "brag" about your coding, it isn't interesting for your customers to read whether the pages are valid 4.01 or not. Place that information on an "about" page. |
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Your contact form is a mess... It's impossible to decide which question belongs to which field (the questions are too long and elaborate). And as a Norwegian, I do understand a bit of Swedish! |
There are not many people who are familiar with intermediation for rent of
holidays lodgings.
The contact form is elaborate because the user needs get a lot of
information.
But I hope that I can use SSL and qualified electronic signatures or
qualified electronic signatures with accreditation
(qualifizierte Zertifikate mit Anbieterakkreditierung)
in the future
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Sidan 1 om svensk keramik - Sidan 4 om italiensk keramik: Try to sort the items into categories instead. "Page 1" doesn't mean anything! |
always new articles coming.
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http://www.italymap.dk/
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/es/bienvenidos.html
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"brucie" skrev rf said: They are both equally bad. aahhhhhhhaaaaaaaa what did you say that for? you made me look You do not seem to have much to say in the last time. I hope you are fine. |
1) Too many pictures! Fills up even a big screen. Put words up there, have
pictures on another page.
2) Too many welcomes. I'm welcome already! Scrolled all the way through
all that. Either have a separate page for each language, or use a few less
languages.
3) There's really no "style" to the design. Looks like the label of a
medicine bottle. What do you want people to feel about your business?
Right now, I don't feel much based on the site.
Here's a page that makes me "feel" something. [http://www.timecube.com/]
It makes me feel the author is insane and desparate to bully me into
believing.
Here's another. [http://www.ford.com/en/default.htm] Calming, relaxing,
and a touch of elegance. (And a bit ignorant of accessibility too.)
Look at all sorts of sites. How do they make you feel? And how do they
accomplish that feeling? Then, develop a good idea of how you want your
visitor to feel, and do things which help that feeling happen.
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In comp.infosystems.www.authoring.site-design,alt.html Luigi Donatello Asero said: You have 512k but there are people having some MBs here in Sweden and some even use optical fibre connection! They can load the page in some secunds or less! australia is a third world country if you're not living on the coastal strip. the further inland you go the worse it gets. Ok. |
would be very important to reduce the size of the homepage.
The problem is that I would need much more than that. For example, one needs
know what the Australian consumer law says about
e-commerce.
At the moment I am trying to sell wares only within the EU.
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http://www.italymap.dk/
http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/dk/velkommen.html
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No, in 1996 WWW was pretty new and the technology for creating web pages was still being figured out. There were no "real" web browsers (ones that worked anyway) and the standards were still fairly fluid. Sites from that era (even the good ones) are terrible by today's standards. We were talking about colours contrast and if you know a little about fashion... |
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It's not a trend thing, it's a technology thing. Thank you for telling me (us) what you think on this subject. However I still think that it is mostly a matter of taste. |
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Perhaps go have a look at http://www.coolhomepages.com and see what the professionals are building these days. Design your site on paper first. Then lay it out in PhotoShop or some other graphics program. When you can stand back and look at your drafts and you think that compares to a modern commercial site, then go and build an actual page. The system which you described works well if you have a beginning and an end, not for a website which tries to present something new the whole time. I know how the website should look but since I started building the website I added new things, for example glasses and then I had to modify the contents, that may happen again, so what you wrote may-be good generally speaking but not ( in my opinion) for this website and if you want to update often the website. |
You have to start somewhere, and HTML is *not* the place to start, no
matter how flexible your content will be. Look at newspapers fore
example; the layout of each page changes dramatically every day as does
the content. But the over-all look and feel remains consistant for that
newspaper for every single issue. Someone designed that, and stuck to
that design. It didn't happen by accident.
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A good web site is as much about aesthetics and design sense as it is about the technical bits and pieces. And it's all useless if you don't have good content. I agree. And I think it has a content. You man not know much Italian, if you do you may like to read the page http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/it/svezia.html for example. |
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# lead designer @ http://www.dhnewmedia.com #
# remove NO SPAM to email, or use form on website #
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In comp.infosystems.www.authoring.site-design,alt.html Luigi Donatello Asero said: If I wanted to get much more users visiting the website from Australia it would be very important to reduce the size of the homepage. forget about australia we only have about 13 million on line. the vast majority of the 934 million internet users use 56k dialup to access the net. your pages are waaaaay too big. |
How many in the EU? And how many with broadband?
It is important to know the local consumer laws, therefore I cannot afford
to
adress the website to consumers living all over the world at the moment...
just to the ones in the EU.
Also, not all the pages of the website have the same size.
Try http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/valkommen.html
for example. How long does it take for you to load that page?
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At the moment I am trying to sell wares only within the EU. you need to visit http://www.clickz.com/ and read all the articles about what people like and dislike when they're trying to spend their money online. |
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http://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/en/translation.html
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