Info for a dummy to get a PHP web site going?

Hi there, hope I am in the right group for this.....
I am trying to make some new pages. The old ones I had were
just HTML and images. And they were made in the hated MS Frontpage.
I know HTML and CSS but VERY little past that. I have a domain
and hosting site. I downloaded the free page setup at
http://myphotos.zerozone.it
just for a template but can't get it to work. I notice it is in PHP.
I don't know what that is or how to get started on it. Sorry, I know
nothing about servers either, so am I screwed already?
My domain hosting manager has an option to to setup a MySQL Database.
Do I need that setup now? I didn't need it before for the Frontpage pages.
I have looked at a few pages that are supposed
to teach you how to start up but they jump right into things talking
about SSL or MySQL and they assume I know what these are.

I am using HomeSite 4.5 now or will code it by hand.

Any help would be greatly appreciated
Alan

On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:52:25 -0500, Poinky Doinker wrote:

Hi there, hope I am in the right group for this.....
I am trying to make some new pages. The old ones I had were
just HTML and images.

What will the new pages have that cannot be
done in 'HTML and images'?

If the answer is 'nothing', it makes most sense
to code new pages in HTML 4.01 Strict.

..And they were made in the hated MS Frontpage.
I know HTML and CSS but VERY little past that.

I ..find it hard to believe you allowed MS Frontpage
to touch your HTML and/or CSS if you could confidently
write either (I cannot, but I still would not want an
editor mutilating my efforts). It suggests to me that
you 'know' HTML and CSS to the extent that MS Frontpage
churned it out.

..I have a domain and hosting site.

You are a *host*? That is a worry.

..I downloaded the free page setup at
http://myphotos.zerozone.it
just for a template

Why? Templates are generally crap.

..but can't get it to work. I notice it is in PHP.
I don't know what that is or how to get started on it.

So why are you pissing about with it?

Is there a defined need to automate these
sites to any extent? To include common
menus or header perhaps? Including another
file is relatively easy using PHP, and you
have not indicated any specific need for
functionality beyond that (or even that,
come to think of it)

..Sorry, I know
nothing about servers either, so am I screwed already?

As a host, I suspect it's your customers
that are 'the pooch'.

My domain hosting manager has an option to to setup a MySQL Database.
Do I need that setup now?

What the hell for? Is it required by this
template you should not by using?

If your control panel listed a 'thermoculear weapon',
would you be disposed to deploying it?

I didn't need it before for the Frontpage pages.
I have looked at a few pages that are supposed
to teach you how to start up but they jump right into things talking
about SSL or MySQL and they assume I know what these are.

At this stage, you should only use a D/B
if a 'plug-in' software both requires it
and configures the D/B itself. Otherwise,
you are going to get yourself in a mess
very quickly.

[ If you don't know what they are, you
are in over your head. ]

I am using HomeSite 4.5 ..

'HomeSite'.. does it do 'WebSite's as well?

..now or will code it by hand.

I recommend that and the validator.

Any help would be greatly appreciated

You're welcome.

--
Andrew Thompson
http://www.PhySci.org/ Open-source software suite
http://www.PhySci.org/codes/ Web & IT Help
http://www.1point1C.org/ Science & Technology

Sorry to word it as to make things unclear to you.


"Andrew Thompson" <SeeMySites (AT) www (DOT) invalid> wrote

On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 09:52:25 -0500, Poinky Doinker wrote:

Hi there, hope I am in the right group for this.....
I am trying to make some new pages. The old ones I had were
just HTML and images.

What will the new pages have that cannot be
done in 'HTML and images'?

I just want to be up to date for future options in pages.
I don't want to start a new project using an outdated format.

If the answer is 'nothing', it makes most sense
to code new pages in HTML 4.01 Strict.

Yeah nothing that is specific.

..And they were made in the hated MS Frontpage.
I know HTML and CSS but VERY little past that.

I ..find it hard to believe you allowed MS Frontpage
to touch your HTML and/or CSS if you could confidently
write either (I cannot, but I still would not want an
editor mutilating my efforts). It suggests to me that
you 'know' HTML and CSS to the extent that MS Frontpage
churned it out.

NO, I can write the code manually...but used FP after awhile
to make things faster. You know .... click a box and insert a
function fast. Untill I came here I did not know FP was looked down on.

..I have a domain and hosting site.

You are a *host*? That is a worry.

I have a domain registered to me and they also host the files.

..I downloaded the free page setup at
http://myphotos.zerozone.it
just for a template

Why? Templates are generally crap.

Forget it I came here to ask questions not be insulted.
I'll just skip the rest of your...ummmm....help. LOL

..but can't get it to work. I notice it is in PHP.
I don't know what that is or how to get started on it.

So why are you pissing about with it?

Is there a defined need to automate these
sites to any extent? To include common
menus or header perhaps? Including another
file is relatively easy using PHP, and you
have not indicated any specific need for
functionality beyond that (or even that,
come to think of it)

..Sorry, I know
nothing about servers either, so am I screwed already?

As a host, I suspect it's your customers
that are 'the pooch'.

My domain hosting manager has an option to to setup a MySQL Database.
Do I need that setup now?

What the hell for? Is it required by this
template you should not by using?

If your control panel listed a 'thermoculear weapon',
would you be disposed to deploying it?

I didn't need it before for the Frontpage pages.
I have looked at a few pages that are supposed
to teach you how to start up but they jump right into things talking
about SSL or MySQL and they assume I know what these are.

At this stage, you should only use a D/B
if a 'plug-in' software both requires it
and configures the D/B itself. Otherwise,
you are going to get yourself in a mess
very quickly.

[ If you don't know what they are, you
are in over your head. ]

I am using HomeSite 4.5 ..

'HomeSite'.. does it do 'WebSite's as well?

..now or will code it by hand.

I recommend that and the validator.

Any help would be greatly appreciated

You're welcome.

LMAO

--
Andrew Thompson
http://www.PhySci.org/ Open-source software suite
http://www.PhySci.org/codes/ Web & IT Help
http://www.1point1C.org/ Science & Technology

On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 13:02:19 -0500, Poinky Doinker wrote:

Forget it I came here to ask questions ..

In case you missed it, this is a
discussion forum, not a 'helpline'.
You get what you get, not what
you ask for.

...not be insulted.

Is that big, bad discussion forum
being mean to you?

You poor thing.

--
Andrew Thompson
http://www.PhySci.org/ Open-source software suite
http://www.PhySci.org/codes/ Web & IT Help
http://www.1point1C.org/ Science & Technology

LMAO

"Andrew Thompson" <SeeMySites (AT) www (DOT) invalid> wrote

On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 13:02:19 -0500, Poinky Doinker wrote:

Forget it I came here to ask questions ..

In case you missed it, this is a
discussion forum, not a 'helpline'.
You get what you get, not what
you ask for.

...not be insulted.

Is that big, bad discussion forum
being mean to you?

You poor thing.

--
Andrew Thompson
http://www.PhySci.org/ Open-source software suite
http://www.PhySci.org/codes/ Web & IT Help
http://www.1point1C.org/ Science & Technology

Andrew Thompson <SeeMySites (AT) www (DOT) invalid> wrote:

I am using HomeSite 4.5 ..

'HomeSite'.. does it do 'WebSite's as well?

..now or will code it by hand.

I recommend that and the validator.

Homesite is an editor, and a particularly good one.

--
Spartanicus

Yeah it seems to be working pretty good so far.


"Spartanicus" <me (AT) privacy (DOT) net> wrote

Andrew Thompson <SeeMySites (AT) www (DOT) invalid> wrote:

I am using HomeSite 4.5 ..

'HomeSite'.. does it do 'WebSite's as well?

..now or will code it by hand.

I recommend that and the validator.

Homesite is an editor, and a particularly good one.

--
Spartanicus

On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 21:52:56 +0100, Spartanicus wrote:

Andrew Thompson <SeeMySites (AT) www (DOT) invalid> wrote:

I am using HomeSite 4.5 ..

'HomeSite'.. does it do 'WebSite's as well?

..now or will code it by hand.

I recommend that and the validator.

Homesite is an editor, and a particularly good one.

I feel I know you well enough to presume..
a) You would not put up with an HTML/CSS
editor that mangled the source.
b) You could know 'mangled' when you saw it.

In that case I change my recommendation.
'Homesite and the validator'

...but then, 'Poinky Doinker' never read my
original recommendation and will probably
ignore this one. ;-)

[ ..and all because he claimed to be a 'hosting site'*
in his original post and becames peeved when I
expressed concern for his clients.
* Merely a bad choice of expression, as it happened,
I understand the confusion was never intentional. ]

--
Andrew Thompson
http://www.PhySci.org/ Open-source software suite
http://www.PhySci.org/codes/ Web & IT Help
http://www.1point1C.org/ Science & Technology

On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 01:20:34 GMT, Brian
<usenet3 (AT) julietremblay (DOT) com.invalid> wrote:

Poinky Doinker wrote:

LMAO

PYBYTP.

http://www.google.com/search?q=PYBYTP

"Your search - PYBYTP - did not match any documents.
No pages were found containing "pybytp"."

Best guess - "Perhaps you'd better yellow the paper." Or "Paid you back,
you tiny prick."

On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 22:33:02 -0400, Neal <neal413 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> declared in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.site-design:

On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 01:20:34 GMT, Brian
usenet3 (AT) julietremblay (DOT) com.invalid> wrote:

PYBYTP.

Best guess - "Perhaps you'd better yellow the paper." Or "Paid you back,
you tiny prick."

"Poinky You Bastard You Top Posted".

--
Mark Parnell
http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au