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Greetings One and All

been pondering skip-to .....

Which is preferable .......

<a class="noviz" href="#content">skip to content</a>

or

<a class="noviz" href="#content"><img src="my-very-small-image.jpg"
alt="skip to content"></a>

or

something else

or

none of the above (because they're not necessary).

--
William Tasso

William Tasso wrote:

Greetings One and All

been pondering skip-to .....

Which is preferable .......

a class="noviz" href="#content">skip to content</a

or

a class="noviz" href="#content"><img src="my-very-small-image.jpg"
alt="skip to content"></a

or

something else

or

none of the above (because they're not necessary).

depends on your design ... and what about using the access keys as well ?

I would say using the noviz solution ... assuming its still visible to
screen readers!

G

"William Tasso" <SpamBlocked (AT) tbdata (DOT) com> wrote:

been pondering skip-to .....

Which is preferable .......

a class="noviz" href="#content">skip to content</a

or

a class="noviz" href="#content"><img src="my-very-small-image.jpg"
alt="skip to content"></a

or

something else

or

none of the above (because they're not necessary).

The latter, a key element to improving spoken rendering is to minimize
non unique page content. The user can use the top & bottom methods
provided by their UA, typically the Home and End key for keyboard
Windows users.

"Skip to" links do not solve an accessibility problem, they create one.

--
Spartanicus

Spartanicus wrote:

"William Tasso" <SpamBlocked (AT) tbdata (DOT) com> wrote:

been pondering skip-to .....

Which is preferable .......

a class="noviz" href="#content">skip to content</a

or

a class="noviz" href="#content"><img src="my-very-small-image.jpg"
alt="skip to content"></a

or

something else

or

none of the above (because they're not necessary).

The latter, a key element to improving spoken rendering is to minimize
non unique page content.

Most web pages do need a navigation section though. (am I having a
deja-vu?)

The user can use the top & bottom methods
provided by their UA, typically the Home and End key for keyboard
Windows users.

How does one move the cursor/voice from the beginning of the document
to the beginning of the actual content? Don't Home and End keys take
you to top and bottom of the entire document, not just to the top of
the content or the bottom of the navigation?

"Skip to" links do not solve an accessibility problem, they create one.

Hmm.. so far, I have to disagree.

--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vão. O resto é imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -

William Tasso wrote:

Greetings One and All

Evening, William,

been pondering skip-to .....

Which is preferable .......

a class="noviz" href="#content">skip to content</a

How about putting the content ahead of the navigation in the linear
HTML, and "skip to menu" at the top? <g>

--
-bts
-This space intentionally left blank.

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed "William Tasso"
<SpamBlocked (AT) tbdata (DOT) com> writing in newsp.ss3imzycm9g4qz-wnt (AT) tbdata (DOT) com:

Greetings One and All

been pondering skip-to .....

Which is preferable .......

a class="noviz" href="#content">skip to content</a

or

a class="noviz" href="#content"><img src="my-very-small-image.jpg"
alt="skip to content"></a

or

something else

or

none of the above (because they're not necessary).

<style type="text/css">
..skipnav {
position:absolute;left:-1000px;
}
</style>

<a href="#content">Skip Navigation</a>
......
<div id="content">
<h1>Here Am I</h1>
</div>

For small screen devices, the link shows, and for screen readers, the link
shows. For others, it does not show.

--
Adrienne Boswell
http://www.cavalcade-of-coding.info
Please respond to the group so others can share

In message
<s3c3c1lgpdrja8gv085dfihs6p0541i8ec (AT) news (DOT) spartanicus.utvinternet.ie>,
Spartanicus <invalid (AT) invalid (DOT) invalid> writes

"William Tasso" <SpamBlocked (AT) tbdata (DOT) com> wrote:

been pondering skip-to .....

Which is preferable .......

a class="noviz" href="#content">skip to content</a

or

a class="noviz" href="#content"><img src="my-very-small-image.jpg"
alt="skip to content"></a

or

something else

or

none of the above (because they're not necessary).

The latter, a key element to improving spoken rendering is to minimize
non unique page content. The user can use the top & bottom methods
provided by their UA, typically the Home and End key for keyboard
Windows users.

"Skip to" links do not solve an accessibility problem, they create one.

So. Looks like the RNIB, AFB, most universities, UK government sites, UK

local government sites all got it wrong, then?

I don't think so.

regards.
--
Jake
(jake (AT) gododdin (DOT) demon.co.uk .... just a spam trap.)

* Adrienne <arbpen2003 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net>, 2005-06-29 00:04 +0200:

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed "William Tasso"
SpamBlocked (AT) tbdata (DOT) com> writing in newsp.ss3imzycm9g4qz-wnt (AT) tbdata (DOT) com:
[...]
a class="noviz" href="#content">skip to content</a
[...]
a class="noviz" href="#content"><img src="my-very-small-image.jpg"
alt="skip to content"></a
[...]
none of the above (because they're not necessary).
[...]
style type="text/css"
.skipnav {
position:absolute;left:-1000px;
}
/style

a href="#content">Skip Navigation</a
.....
div id="content"
h1>Here Am I</h1
/div

For small screen devices, the link shows, and for screen readers, the link
shows. For others, it does not show.

I acknowledge the creative mind behind this solution, but I wouldn't
use it. Remember the mess the Netscape/Internet Explorer 'war'
created when playing with the lacking standard compliance of
browsers? I would prefer style sheets tailored to the media/device
type, and the use of the "hidden" feature.

-Andre

Andre Berger wrote:

* Adrienne <arbpen2003 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net>, 2005-06-29 00:04 +0200:
Gazing into my crystal ball I observed "William Tasso"
SpamBlocked (AT) tbdata (DOT) com> writing in newsp.ss3imzycm9g4qz-wnt (AT) tbdata (DOT) com:
[...]
a class="noviz" href="#content">skip to content</a
[...]
a class="noviz" href="#content"><img src="my-very-small-image.jpg"
alt="skip to content"></a
[...]
none of the above (because they're not necessary).
[...]
style type="text/css"
.skipnav {
position:absolute;left:-1000px;
}
/style

a href="#content">Skip Navigation</a
.....
div id="content"
h1>Here Am I</h1
/div

For small screen devices, the link shows, and for screen readers, the link
shows. For others, it does not show.

I acknowledge the creative mind behind this solution, but I wouldn't
use it. Remember the mess the Netscape/Internet Explorer 'war'
created when playing with the lacking standard compliance of
browsers? I would prefer style sheets tailored to the media/device
type, and the use of the "hidden" feature.

You do know that some screen readers honour the '"hidden" feature' ?
I don't remember any Netscape/Internet Explorer 'war' btw - I've been
on the web only 3 years now, of which 2 years making web pages. Is it
something that would still play up now when using the
position:absolute method?

--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vão. O resto é imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -
Now playing: Isley Brothers - Harvest For The World

In message <op.ss3imzycm9g4qz-wnt (AT) tbdata (DOT) com>, William Tasso
<SpamBlocked (AT) tbdata (DOT) com> writes

Greetings One and All

been pondering skip-to .....

Which is preferable .......

a class="noviz" href="#content">skip to content</a

or

a class="noviz" href="#content"><img src="my-very-small-image.jpg"
alt="skip to content"></a

or

something else

or

none of the above (because they're not necessary).

a class="noviz" href="#content">skip to main content.</a

as the very first entry on the page.

regards.

--
Jake
(jake (AT) gododdin (DOT) demon.co.uk .... just a spam trap.)