You Have to Try This on Google

Borek <borek (AT) parts (DOT) bpp.to.com.remove.pl> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:05:40 +0100, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com
wrote:

I believe Roys refers not to the fact that the data can be stolen from
Google. I think he doesn't like the idea of Google becoming Orwell's
Big Brother.

Google is not a governement.

Once they will know enough, governements wil have nothing to say.

Uhm, you lost me.

Google doesn't care what you do in your spare time.

You sure?

Yup, they don't care (except regarding using their services, but that
holds for every company). As long as you do something that they can
measure, use that info. *What* you exactly do, they don't care.

What they do care about is how they can put an advertisment next to it.

Which is why they want to know whether you prefer scenic
webcams or porn webcams.

But do they care which one you use? No. Since if scenic webcams is it,
then advertisers will move on to the scenic webcams. Google doesn't care
what you prefer, as long as they can measure it.

Using toolbar they already know
that about many peoples.

I don't care. As soon as one is connected to the internet, ones behaviour
can be measured. By your provider, by each connection you use, etc.

It's the same as walking on the street, everybody can follow you, see
which shops you visit, etc.

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"John Bokma" <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote

Borek <borek (AT) parts (DOT) bpp.to.com.remove.pl> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:00:29 +0100, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com
wrote:

I think Google is on the very top of keeping the data as secure as
possible. It's their core business, remember?

I believe Roys refers not to the fact that the data can be stolen from
Google. I think he doesn't like the idea of Google becoming Orwell's
Big Brother.

Google is not a governement. Google doesn't care what you do in your spare
time. What they do care about is how they can put an advertisment next to
it.

For now anyway... there have been several issues already... scanning mail
for content, today for commercial reasons... but why not a co-opperation
with some intellegence agency to look for strings of certain keywords? It
would be logical to look for info where you can find it. Many inventions
and techniques from the past were used and abused by the wrong people for
the wrong reasons.

Another thing are the Google earth maps... many countries allready
complained about it being to accurate for terrorists to abuse, displaying
sensitive areas or installations, giving coordinates with it. Today
resolution is ok, but tomorrow it will get better. At best privacy within
the walls of your own home is all that remains, that is, if you do not use
modern technologies... ...what's next, infrared? Heat seeking? Info on
each house, displaying full address and personal info? It is not
unthinkable you know... today the can find you by tracing IP or who knows
what else ... they can already point out where you live... maybe add some
info from your ISP or other place that collects these data... put two and
two together and bingo! Just a matter of time before you would be able to
track your own car and thus someone elses online, live...

Consider for a moment how fast things evolved, where will you be in the next
20-30 years?

Having blind faith in these things thinking all and everything will be ok or
turn out for the best would be fairly naive.


Steven

"Timmermans" <steventimmermans (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote

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Borek <borek (AT) parts (DOT) bpp.to.com.remove.pl> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:00:29 +0100, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com
wrote:

I think Google is on the very top of keeping the data as secure as
possible. It's their core business, remember?

I believe Roys refers not to the fact that the data can be stolen from
Google. I think he doesn't like the idea of Google becoming Orwell's
Big Brother.

Google is not a governement. Google doesn't care what you do in your
spare
time. What they do care about is how they can put an advertisment next to
it.

For now anyway... there have been several issues already... scanning mail
for content, today for commercial reasons... but why not a co-opperation
with some intellegence agency to look for strings of certain keywords? It
would be logical to look for info where you can find it. Many inventions
and techniques from the past were used and abused by the wrong people for
the wrong reasons.

I think the only thing they care about is if you use Google. You don't even
know what stats and stuff they are handing you. It really isn't that much to
make a big stink over.

Another thing are the Google earth maps... many countries allready
complained about it being to accurate for terrorists to abuse, displaying
sensitive areas or installations, giving coordinates with it.

LOL!! Don't know why as trust me the terrorist already have that info or
they know how to gain it. Google is only using info that was already out
there and able to get. It isn't their technology. Also coordinates of
longitude and latitude is already given on most maps for military
installations.

Today
resolution is ok, but tomorrow it will get better. At best privacy within
the walls of your own home is all that remains, that is, if you do not use
modern technologies... ...what's next, infrared? Heat seeking?
Info oneach house, displaying full address and personal info? It is not
unthinkable you know... today the can find you by tracing IP or who knows
what else ... they can already point out where you live... maybe add some
info from your ISP or other place that collects these data... put two and
two together and bingo! Just a matter of time before you would be able to
track your own car and thus someone elses online, live...

There are ways to mask an IP.

Shoot the phone book has been out for years, also you can gain info about
anyone by having it looked it up with some agencies. Had a report done for
my daughter as she needed it for her job when she went on a cruise ship. The
best way for anyone to hide is have an unlisted phone #, tell the PO not to
give out your address(even this might not stop people), don't use a credit
card or have a banking account, don't use the internet, don't drive and have
a license, and a few more things but that would be a good start.

Consider for a moment how fast things evolved, where will you be in the
next
20-30 years?

I haven't the slighest idea as much as I move.:-) Hopefully, I will be in a
house for good as I wil be getting to old for anything else.

Having blind faith in these things thinking all and everything will be ok
or
turn out for the best would be fairly naive.

Why don't you go and have a look at the info they are giving? Not much
really and guess what they won't give it to anyone as they have a way to
check to make sure it is your website. No unless someone has your password
and such and your website has been verified then ok. I don't know if you
have to verify it is your site each time. Anyway, there is no need for all
this stink since you don't know what they are giving you for your stats
anyway.

Stacey

"Timmermans" <steventimmermans (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

"John Bokma" <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote in message
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Borek <borek (AT) parts (DOT) bpp.to.com.remove.pl> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:00:29 +0100, John Bokma
john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

I think Google is on the very top of keeping the data as secure as
possible. It's their core business, remember?

I believe Roys refers not to the fact that the data can be stolen
from Google. I think he doesn't like the idea of Google becoming
Orwell's Big Brother.

Google is not a governement. Google doesn't care what you do in your
spare time. What they do care about is how they can put an
advertisment next to it.

For now anyway... there have been several issues already... scanning
mail for content,

That's not an issue, Google is clear about this automatic scanning. No
humans involved.

today for commercial reasons... but why not a
co-opperation with some intellegence agency to look for strings of
certain keywords?

Because those agencies have already stuff like that running? They just
tap the Internet.

It would be logical to look for info where you can
find it. Many inventions and techniques from the past were used and
abused by the wrong people for the wrong reasons.

So what else is new?

Another thing are the Google earth maps... many countries allready
complained about it being to accurate for terrorists to abuse,
displaying sensitive areas or installations, giving coordinates with
it.

Ah, yeah, those terrorists really have a hard time finding those objects
otherwise. I mean, to blow up some things in London you really need
Google...

Today resolution is ok, but tomorrow it will get better. At best
privacy within the walls of your own home is all that remains, that
is, if you do not use modern technologies... ...what's next, infrared?
Heat seeking? Info on each house, displaying full address and
personal info? It is not unthinkable you know...

Yup, and today, you have to go to the town and ask the neighbours. If
someone wants the info, he/she gets it.

today the can find
you by tracing IP or who knows what else ... they can already point
out where you live... maybe add some info from your ISP or other place
that collects these data... put two and two together and bingo! Just
a matter of time before you would be able to track your own car and
thus someone elses online, live...

Consider for a moment how fast things evolved, where will you be in
the next 20-30 years?

Having blind faith in these things thinking all and everything will be
ok or turn out for the best would be fairly naive.

Thinking it is only *now* possible, thanks to Google, that's naive.

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"Stacey" <Remove-the-Y-stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

There are ways to mask an IP.

Just as a side note: yes, you can mask an IP for some people, not for all.
And there are other ways to track someone down. In the past I explained
how simple people can be tracked down on Usenet. As long as people post,
and are not carefull, they can be tracked down. Most people leave traces
everywhere. Someone who wants to find them, will.

Shoot the phone book has been out for years, also you can gain info
about anyone by having it looked it up with some agencies.

Yup, Social engineering beats most other things.

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"John Bokma" <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote

"Stacey" <Remove-the-Y-stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

There are ways to mask an IP.

Just as a side note: yes, you can mask an IP for some people, not for all.
And there are other ways to track someone down. In the past I explained
how simple people can be tracked down on Usenet. As long as people post,
and are not carefull, they can be tracked down. Most people leave traces
everywhere. Someone who wants to find them, will.

Yep, I agree and same with terriost.....if they want to find something they
will.

<snip>

"John Bokma" <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote

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Thinking it is only *now* possible, thanks to Google, that's naive.

LOL!! Just thought of how much you can find out in someone's trash.
Sometimes DNA, finger prints, what they ate, where they live, sometimes SSN,
bank account #'s, credit card #'s, etc. Who needs a computer........except
to run the DNA and finger print files.:-) And to think once the trash is out
it is PD.

Stacey

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Borek <borek (AT) parts (DOT) bpp.to.com.remove.pl> wrote:



Why don't you go and have a look at the info they are giving? Not much
really and guess what they won't give it to anyone as they have a way to
check to make sure it is your website. No unless someone has your password
and such and your website has been verified then ok. I don't know if you
have to verify it is your site each time. Anyway, there is no need for all
this stink since you don't know what they are giving you for your stats
anyway.

Stacey

Just trying to get a point across... didn't really it starts to smell on
your end, you might want to let that be checked out, I don;t think it's
normal ;-)

The info the are giving and the info they collect Stacey... they are not the
same! They don't even show you all of your backlinks... as someone in this
biz I guess that is information you would like to have, no? Wonder how
large their file on Google worshippers like ...you perhaps?

Steven

"John Bokma" <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote

"Stacey" <Remove-the-Y-stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

There are ways to mask an IP.

Just as a side note: yes, you can mask an IP for some people, not for all.
And there are other ways to track someone down. In the past I explained
how simple people can be tracked down on Usenet. As long as people post,
and are not carefull, they can be tracked down. Most people leave traces
everywhere. Someone who wants to find them, will.

Shoot the phone book has been out for years, also you can gain info
about anyone by having it looked it up with some agencies.

Yup, Social engineering beats most other things.

You have a choice there...

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__/ [John Bokma] on Friday 18 November 2005 22:00 \__

Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

I foresee entanglements...

They are already there, for long. Google's core business is information
management.

All information will soon be available in dozens of Linux
datacentres, which is a bit scary.

Why? I am convinced that it's way more secure in their datacentre compared
to your or my home.

True. It's more regularly backed up and it is highly secured, physically.

Think of the amount of mail these
datacentres have accumulated over time. If AJAX office suites
became a reality, then all your bases will definitely belong to
Google. Google Wallet, anyone?

And there is more to come.

Yes, I know. If you think about the controversy Google Print has sparked, and
assuming that the worst is yet to come, one becomes apprehensive. I have
just linked to an article from the Register.

I foresee exposure...

I think Google is on the very top of keeping the data as secure as
possible. It's their core business, remember?

I sure hope so....

http://tinyurl.com/9lbgw

http://www.elhacker.net/gmailbug/english_version.htm

Roy

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