You Have to Try This on Google

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:23:12 +0100, "Stacey"
<Remove-the-Y-stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

"Timmermans" <steventimmermans (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
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There will be a point where Google collects to much data on ones site.
Providing a list of URL's for an engine to crawl is one thing... but for a
third party to track and keep a shitload of stats and details / grip on
each
site is a little to much of a good thing... we all need Google today to
generate traffic, but at what cost?

Humm it already does that. Not a shitload of stats they show us though, I
felt there was need for inprovement.

For free? Imagine the computational power it takes to facilitate what
they already do. Not that they won't be eventually profiting from it,
one way or the other.

How far are you willing to go to gain a spot in Google? My site gets
indexed daily without sitemap.xml ... for the time being I see no reason
to
add this feature.


Well I am glad it gets indexed daily. You have bots daily to your site huh?
You have new pages up the very next day. Not saying with a sitemap it does
unless you tell it you change a particular page daily. Some people might
sell their soul to gain a position in Google.:-)

Too late for me, having none...:-(

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"Stacey" <Remove-the-Y-stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote

"Timmermans" <steventimmermans (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
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How far are you willing to go to gain a spot in Google? My site gets
indexed daily without sitemap.xml ... for the time being I see no
reason to add this feature.

sitemaps are nice when you want to say: those pages haven't been
changed
for ages, so don't index them. What's the point of Google to fetch them
if
they haven't changed for years?

On numerous places you can read that Google likes a site that puts it to
work... something to chew on and to keep the crawler on your site for
more
then a millisec... a sitemap does not support this idea at all. It is
you
who provides info to Google instead of Google crawling for it. If
Google
tends to skip a page here and there then what makes you think a sitemap
is
foolproof. No doubt that some sites would have pages running which they
forget to insert in their sitemap... then what?


Google doesn't like a site that makes them do to much work....hehe, you
might have the bot leave. Of course a sitemap supports the idea of keeping
the bot at your site. Do you think the bot doesn't crawl your site
occasionally with a sitemap? How do you think it gets the info for the
pages. It has to crawl you site.

Well, see... you read one thing and then another... of course to index the
content it makes sense to keep crawling. I never claimed it would not, just
that I see no reason for the site owner to make it to easy and let Google
outsource some of it's work by introducing a sitemap.

Sitemaps are also nice for say that Google will know a page doesn't exist
and will get rid of the URL in it's index if it crawls another site and
say
hey they have flubbed up your URL with a misspelling or anything like
that.
I just checked mine and it had a couple. It takes forever when on a normal
circumstances to have a fake URL removed. Also a site map helps all pages
to
be indexed. Are all of your pages indexed?

A faulty page gets removed instantly when running a sitemap? That's good to
know! Nevertheless, I personnaly would not make the sitemap feature a
permanent thing. It's a tool, no more no less.

Yes, so far all my pages have been indexed. It took some effort, but I've
made sure all pages are linked at least three times internally and that all
links point to an existing page.

Speaking of sitemaps... this would be interesting if it works... could
you
have a sitemap on site A promote pages from site B?

Don't be ridiculous. :-)

Not shooting also equals a miss ;-)

Steven

"Stacey" <Remove-the-Y-stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote

"Timmermans" <steventimmermans (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
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My site gets
indexed daily without sitemap.xml ... for the time being I see no reason
to
add this feature.


Well I am glad it gets indexed daily. You have bots daily to your site
huh?
You have new pages up the very next day. Not saying with a sitemap it does
unless you tell it you change a particular page daily. Some people might
sell their soul to gain a position in Google.:-)

Stacey

Yes so far I have daily visits and updates, I only update every other day
though... should I consider myself lucky?

I'm not saying I wouldn't be happy to gain a position, but no drama if I
remain status quo. I would not be selling my soul to gain a position...
because waw... it sure sounds expensive ;-)

For now I'm already happy that my site remains on Google first page... after
a small month it's just to urly to draw conclusions about where the site is
at. Especially since I still try to improve here and there... making some
changes for the better, still building links and waiting for other, slower,
searchengines to pick up the site.

I know one shoots for the stars to reach the moon, but darned... I've got
two left hands and scarse knowledge about SEO... I'm happy I got this far in
the first place!


Steven

Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

I foresee entanglements...

They are already there, for long. Google's core business is information
management.

All information will soon be available in dozens of Linux
datacentres, which is a bit scary.

Why? I am convinced that it's way more secure in their datacentre compared
to your or my home.

Think of the amount of mail these
datacentres have accumulated over time. If AJAX office suites
became a reality, then all your bases will definitely belong to
Google. Google Wallet, anyone?

And there is more to come.

I foresee exposure...

I think Google is on the very top of keeping the data as secure as
possible. It's their core business, remember?

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Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:23:12 +0100, "Stacey"
Remove-the-Y-stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

Humm it already does that. Not a shitload of stats they show us
though, I felt there was need for inprovement.

For free? Imagine the computational power it takes to facilitate what
they already do.

Those stats they probably already need for internal stuff, so they come
indeed for free.

Not that they won't be eventually profiting from it,
one way or the other.

Yup.

Too late for me, having none...:-(

This will change.

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"Timmermans" <steventimmermans (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Yes so far I have daily visits and updates, I only update every other
day though... should I consider myself lucky?

No. Page updates and visits are not that closely related. I sometimes
don't update my site for a week, and yet Googlebot comes daily.


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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:00:29 +0100, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com>
wrote:

I think Google is on the very top of keeping the data as secure as
possible. It's their core business, remember?

I believe Roys refers not to the fact that the data can be stolen from
Google. I think he doesn't like the idea of Google becoming Orwell's
Big Brother.

Best,
Borek
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:03:46 +0100, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com>
wrote:

No. Page updates and visits are not that closely related. I sometimes
don't update my site for a week, and yet Googlebot comes daily.

Most of my pages are not touched for months, yet they are spidered
regularly.

Best,
Borek
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http://www.chembuddy.com - chemical calculators for labs and education
BATE - program for pH calculations
CASC - Concentration and Solution Calculator
pH lectures - guide to hand pH calculation with examples

Borek <borek (AT) parts (DOT) bpp.to.com.remove.pl> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:00:29 +0100, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com
wrote:

I think Google is on the very top of keeping the data as secure as
possible. It's their core business, remember?

I believe Roys refers not to the fact that the data can be stolen from
Google. I think he doesn't like the idea of Google becoming Orwell's
Big Brother.

Google is not a governement. Google doesn't care what you do in your spare
time. What they do care about is how they can put an advertisment next to
it.

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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:05:40 +0100, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com>
wrote:

I believe Roys refers not to the fact that the data can be stolen from
Google. I think he doesn't like the idea of Google becoming Orwell's
Big Brother.

Google is not a governement.

Once they will know enough, governements wil have nothing to say.

Google doesn't care what you do in your spare time.

You sure?

What they do care about is how they can put an advertisment next to it.

Which is why they want to know whether you prefer scenic
webcams or porn webcams. Using toolbar they already know
that about many peoples.

Best,
Borek
--
http://www.chembuddy.com - chemical calculators for labs and education
BATE - program for pH calculations
CASC - Concentration and Solution Calculator
pH lectures - guide to hand pH calculation with examples