Yet another Google Tech question

Lets say we submit a website to Google as: http://www.testing.com

It gets indexed , then later on down the road someone somewhere posts (a
similar) URL in a Google group about the same website, but abbreviates it
as: http://testing.com

Will Google remove http://www.testing.com from the index in favor of
http://testing.com?

Then what happens is it runs accross someone who decides to leave out http,
and posts a link on their links page or on a usenet group as:
www.testing.com ??

Does Google associate all these sites together? I know Googlebot does seem
to somehow find links that are posted in the usenet groups
and include them in the index - but what if it already exsisted but not as
the exact same string?

I have reason to believe this causes problems in the index for that site.
Recently we resubmitted our site back in the original format:
http://www.whatever.com and the missing pages reappeared back, with cached
dates of Dec 31, 1969 on all the pages that had been missing from the index.
The home page index was still there in the original submitted format, but
non of the the pages were associated in the index with any combination of
the previous mentioned examples.

1. http://www.example.com is the same as www.example.com

2. http://example.com is the same as example.com

3. http://www.example.com is not the same as http://example.com

4. www.example.com is not the same as example.com

However, sometimes Google *does* figure out that two URLs are the web
same. When that happens, #3 and #4 can change.

For example, Google has clued into the fact that
http://www.gsmsecurity.com and http://www.gsm-security.net are the
same web site and it now treats them as one site.

Techforce wrote:

Lets say we submit a website to Google as: http://www.testing.com

It gets indexed , then later on down the road someone somewhere posts (a
similar) URL in a Google group about the same website, but abbreviates it
as: http://testing.com

Will Google remove http://www.testing.com from the index in favor of
http://testing.com?

Then what happens is it runs accross someone who decides to leave out http,
and posts a link on their links page or on a usenet group as:
www.testing.com ??

Does Google associate all these sites together? I know Googlebot does seem
to somehow find links that are posted in the usenet groups
and include them in the index - but what if it already exsisted but not as
the exact same string?

I have reason to believe this causes problems in the index for that site.
Recently we resubmitted our site back in the original format:
http://www.whatever.com and the missing pages reappeared back, with cached
dates of Dec 31, 1969 on all the pages that had been missing from the index.
The home page index was still there in the original submitted format, but
non of the the pages were associated in the index with any combination of
the previous mentioned examples.

Although Google usually figures it out when two URLs go to one page,
there is a way that you can majke sure that it does.

Make it so that [ http://testing.com ] does a 301 redirect to
[ http://www.testing.com ]. Then you *know* that Google will
treat both pages as one.

On 02 Dec 2004 02:10:20 GMT,
will.spencer (AT) internet-search-en...OT) NOSPAM.com (Will.Spencer)
wrote:

1. http://www.example.com is the same as www.example.com

2. http://example.com is the same as example.com

3. http://www.example.com is not the same as http://example.com

4. www.example.com is not the same as example.com

However, sometimes Google *does* figure out that two URLs are the web
same. When that happens, #3 and #4 can change.

For example, Google has clued into the fact that
http://www.gsmsecurity.com and http://www.gsm-security.net are the
same web site and it now treats them as one site.

What Will means is

a) sort of

and

b) kinda.

Welcome to SEO.

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On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 05:29:16 +0000, Guy Macon
<http://www.guymacon.com> wrote:

Techforce wrote:

Lets say we submit a website to Google as: http://www.testing.com

It gets indexed , then later on down the road someone somewhere posts (a
similar) URL in a Google group about the same website, but abbreviates it
as: http://testing.com

Will Google remove http://www.testing.com from the index in favor of
http://testing.com?

Then what happens is it runs accross someone who decides to leave out http,
and posts a link on their links page or on a usenet group as:
www.testing.com ??

Does Google associate all these sites together? I know Googlebot does seem
to somehow find links that are posted in the usenet groups
and include them in the index - but what if it already exsisted but not as
the exact same string?

I have reason to believe this causes problems in the index for that site.
Recently we resubmitted our site back in the original format:
http://www.whatever.com and the missing pages reappeared back, with cached
dates of Dec 31, 1969 on all the pages that had been missing from the index.
The home page index was still there in the original submitted format, but
non of the the pages were associated in the index with any combination of
the previous mentioned examples.

Although Google usually figures it out when two URLs go to one page,
there is a way that you can majke sure that it does.

Make it so that [ http://testing.com ] does a 301 redirect to
[ http://www.testing.com ]. Then you *know* that Google will
treat both pages as one.

And will Yahoo?

BB

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"Big Bill" <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote

On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 05:29:16 +0000, Guy Macon
http://www.guymacon.com> wrote:



Techforce wrote:

Lets say we submit a website to Google as: http://www.testing.com

It gets indexed , then later on down the road someone somewhere posts (a
similar) URL in a Google group about the same website, but abbreviates
it
as: http://testing.com

Will Google remove http://www.testing.com from the index in favor of
http://testing.com?

Then what happens is it runs accross someone who decides to leave out
http,
and posts a link on their links page or on a usenet group as:
www.testing.com ??

Does Google associate all these sites together? I know Googlebot does
seem
to somehow find links that are posted in the usenet groups
and include them in the index - but what if it already exsisted but not
as
the exact same string?

I have reason to believe this causes problems in the index for that site.
Recently we resubmitted our site back in the original format:
http://www.whatever.com and the missing pages reappeared back, with
cached
dates of Dec 31, 1969 on all the pages that had been missing from the
index.
The home page index was still there in the original submitted format, but
non of the the pages were associated in the index with any combination of
the previous mentioned examples.

Although Google usually figures it out when two URLs go to one page,
there is a way that you can majke sure that it does.

Make it so that [ http://testing.com ] does a 301 redirect to
[ http://www.testing.com ]. Then you *know* that Google will
treat both pages as one.

And will Yahoo?

BB

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www.kruse.co.uk SEO (AT) kruse (DOT) demon.co.uk
home of SEO that's shiny!
--

Make it so that [ http://testing.com ] does a 301 redirect to
[ http://www.testing.com ]. Then you *know* that Google will
treat both pages as one.

Can anyone explain how to do this in the .htaccess or Apache httpd.conf
files. I have found out how to redirect a file name. The old file name is
supposed to be written without the domain name in front of it.
I don't see how to do the similar thing to redirect [ http://testing.com ]
to [ http://www.texting.com ].

Also any ideas on how to recover from having the same site pages all indexed
twice over like:
http://www.testing.com and simultaneously as http://181.172.115.NNN ??

Best regards, Eric.

"Techforce" <spam (AT) linhax (DOT) com> wrote

Lets say we submit a website to Google as: http://www.testing.com

It gets indexed , then later on down the road someone somewhere posts (a
similar) URL in a Google group about the same website, but abbreviates it
as: http://testing.com

Will Google remove http://www.testing.com from the index in favor of
http://testing.com?

Then what happens is it runs accross someone who decides to leave out
http,
and posts a link on their links page or on a usenet group as:
www.testing.com ??

Does Google associate all these sites together? I know Googlebot does seem
to somehow find links that are posted in the usenet groups
and include them in the index - but what if it already exsisted but not
as
the exact same string?

I have reason to believe this causes problems in the index for that site.
Recently we resubmitted our site back in the original format:
http://www.whatever.com and the missing pages reappeared back, with
cached
dates of Dec 31, 1969 on all the pages that had been missing from the
index.
The home page index was still there in the original submitted format, but
non of the the pages were associated in the index with any combination of
the previous mentioned examples.

I asked Google about this a while ago. You need to redirect to get the best
results on PR.

"Thank you for your note. If sites link to your site using both the http
and www address, this will not cause a penalty. As you probably know, it's
in your best interest both in terms of PageRank and having your preferred
address appear in Google to have them all link to your preferred address.

One way to find out who is linking to different pages on your site is to
try a link search (http://www.google.com/help/features.html#link). Enter
"link:[your full URL]" into the Google search box. You may not find every
page that links to you with this method, but it should help you begin
redirecting the links leading to your site. (Please note that we do not
serve link queries for all of the sites in our index, so this may not
produce any results for your site.) Another option is to perform a Google
search on your URL. From the result page displayed, select the "Find web
pages that contain the term" link and Google will provide you with the web
pages that mention your address."

Stacey

Big Bill wrote:

Guy Macon <http://www.guymacon.com> wrote:

Although Google usually figures it out when two URLs go to one page,
there is a way that you can majke sure that it does.

Make it so that [ http://testing.com ] does a 301 redirect to
[ http://www.testing.com ]. Then you *know* that Google will
treat both pages as one.

And will Yahoo?

Some folks here say that it will:
http://www.seo-guy.com/forum/thread2862.html
I have no personal knowledge.

How would you accomplish that? Since http://testing.com brings up the same
index page as the other would.
I thought Google frowned on redirects, so I avoid them as much as possible.

Also, say I had to alter a page's name from: thispage.html to
Thispage.html
and lets say the host lets you configure your own 404 error page, and you
place a link in its code as : Thispage.html

Will a robot atcually see the custom HTML and scan that code for links, or
again, is it better to say have it do a 301
to the site map where it can see all the updated new pages that use the
upper case? I hesitate to use 301 because
it seems Google dont like them.

Thanks.

Make it so that [ http://testing.com ] does a 301 redirect to
[ http://www.testing.com ]. Then you *know* that Google will
treat both pages as one.

On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 07:21:42 GMT, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk>
wrote:

And will Yahoo?

Last I heard through the rumor mill is that Yahoo is still working on
their handling of 301. Let's take it one step at a time with them.

Carol