value of a .name extension

On Apr 28, 1:54*am, Andrew Heenan <andr... (AT) heenan (DOT) net> wrote:

SEO Dave wrote:
OMG using a hyphen is blackhat

Don't worry, he's alone in his urban myth.

or maybe I'm just getting my information from articles written in
2008.

http://news.google.com/news?q=hyphenated+domain+names

Adding complications to your website in an attempt to get more traffic
is futile. The hyphenated domain names were just a blackhat fad that
Google now sees as equal (since late 2007) - yet more complicated
versions of the same-HYPHEN-exact-HYPHEN-thing.

Based on many reports of falling ranks for hyphenated domain names
around Christmas 2007: stay the HYPHEN away from them and denounce
anyone who advises the use of hyphens in a domain name.

The underscore _ was also recently rendered equal to a hyphen or space
in file names; it used to be removed, leaving no space.

SEOwebMarket.com wrote:

or maybe I'm just getting my information from articles written in
2008.
http://news.google.com/news?q=hyphenated+domain+names

Three cr*p articles, quoting one statement from one man who doesn't know
his arse from his elbow.

Whoopy-do (apologies for the hyphen).

Based on many reports of falling ranks for hyphenated domain names
around Christmas 2007: stay the HYPHEN away from them and denounce
anyone who advises the use of hyphens in a domain name.

You are making this up as you go along, aren't you?

There's no doubt that idiot spammers do use hyphens. But they also use
links.
But even you wouldn't conclude that 'links are black hat'. Probably.

There is NOTHING black hat about hyphens, and I defy you to find just
one source with any nouse whatsover, to support your ignorance. Just one.

Remember, you are losing potential business the longer this goes on:
If you want to continue to look stupid, that's fine by me.

Over to you.

Andrew
http://www.seo2seo.com/
http://www.sick-site-syndrome.com/

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 00:46:18 -0700 (PDT), "SEOwebMarket.com"
<webmail (AT) seowebmarket (DOT) com> wrote:

On Apr 28, 1:54*am, Andrew Heenan <andr... (AT) heenan (DOT) net> wrote:
SEO Dave wrote:
OMG using a hyphen is blackhat

Don't worry, he's alone in his urban myth.

or maybe I'm just getting my information from articles written in
2008.

http://news.google.com/news?q=hyphenated+domain+names

Adding complications to your website in an attempt to get more traffic
is futile. The hyphenated domain names were just a blackhat fad that
Google now sees as equal (since late 2007) - yet more complicated
versions of the same-HYPHEN-exact-HYPHEN-thing.

I think a little further research might indicate that
too-many-hyphens-in-a-domain-name.com is seen as spamming, but
domain-name.com would be ok.

Based on many reports of falling ranks for hyphenated domain names
around Christmas 2007: stay the HYPHEN away from them and denounce
anyone who advises the use of hyphens in a domain name.

Nah, a couple is ok.

The underscore _ was also recently rendered equal to a hyphen or space
in file names; it used to be removed, leaving no space.

I think you'll find that while there was a lot of talk about
intentions, there's little evidence to suggest that this actually
happened. My advice would be to stick with hyphens in file names,
directory names, and one or two in a domain name also.

Bleeding hell, 6.40 pm and major thunder where I am here in Surrey -
Jez, you hear that?

Anyhoo, getting back; if you've got a domain name yadayada.com what
I'd do is get yada-yada.com too and make the one redirect to the
other. When folk link to you using yada-yada.com you'll get some
anchor text juice that way.

BB
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http://www.kruse.co.uk/
http://www.fat-odin.com/
http://www.here-be-posters.co.uk/

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:05:03 +0100, Andrew Heenan <andrew3 (AT) heenan (DOT) net>
wrote:

SEOwebMarket.com wrote:
or maybe I'm just getting my information from articles written in
2008.
http://news.google.com/news?q=hyphenated+domain+names

Three cr*p articles, quoting one statement from one man who doesn't know
his arse from his elbow.

Whoopy-do (apologies for the hyphen).

Based on many reports of falling ranks for hyphenated domain names
around Christmas 2007: stay the HYPHEN away from them and denounce
anyone who advises the use of hyphens in a domain name.

You are making this up as you go along, aren't you?

There's no doubt that idiot spammers do use hyphens. But they also use
links.
But even you wouldn't conclude that 'links are black hat'. Probably.

There is NOTHING black hat about hyphens, and I defy you to find just
one source with any nouse whatsover, to support your ignorance. Just one.

Too many hyphens has been called blackhat.

BB
--

http://www.kruse.co.uk/
http://www.fat-odin.com/
http://www.here-be-posters.co.uk/

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:48:48 +0100, Andrew Heenan <andrew3 (AT) heenan (DOT) net>
wrote:

SEOwebMarket.com wrote:
That is generally correct - WHEN pertaining to text content - NOT
domains ANYMORE.

The recent black-hat tactic of using hyphenated domain names recently
flopped. Those of us that read SEO forums know that many hyphenated
domains recently lost ranks after algorithm updates near the end of
2007.

www.astrology-reports.tld Since Google sees this as-

www astrology reports tld

Not true.
Google can parse nonhyphenated domain names,

It can? Since when? This may be true but I didn't hear of it anywhere
else.

BB
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http://www.kruse.co.uk/
http://www.fat-odin.com/
http://www.here-be-posters.co.uk/

On Apr 28, 3:05*am, Andrew Heenan <andr... (AT) heenan (DOT) net> wrote:

SEOwebMarket.com wrote:
http://news.google.com/news?q=hyphenated+domain+names

Three cr*p articles, quoting one statement from one man who doesn't know
his arse from his elbow.

Thats the CURRENT Google News on that topic. All of which negate your
advice.

If you want to continue to look stupid, that's fine by me.

I'm not the one advising hyphenated domain names in a conversation
about TLDN EXTENSIONS.

On Apr 28, 12:43*pm, Big Bill <b... (AT) kruse (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

webm... (AT) seowebmarket (DOT) com> wrote:
The underscore _ was also recently rendered equal to a hyphen or space
in file names; it used to be removed, leaving no space.

I think you'll find that while there was a lot of talk about
intentions, there's little evidence to suggest that this actually
happened.

"One key development that Matt shared with the audience was that
underscores in URLs are now (or at least very soon to be) treated as
word separators by Google." - June 2007

Underscores currently (2008) work only with FILE names & domains.

On Apr 28, 12:43*pm, Big Bill <b... (AT) kruse (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Too many hyphens has been called blackhat.

It's simpler than that. Complicating your site for humans, in an
attempt to manipulate SERPs is blackhat + foolishly decreasing
conversions. Build it for human conversions; optimize for traffic.

Regardless, adding hyphens to a domain name is typically foolish AND
definitely off-topic (AND was a blackhat fad in recent years).

http://www.google.com/search?q=site%...rology+reports
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%...logy+rep orts

BOTH domains bolded in Google SERPs.

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:41:20 -0700 (PDT), "SEOwebMarket.com"
<webmail (AT) seowebmarket (DOT) com> wrote:

On Apr 28, 3:05*am, Andrew Heenan <andr... (AT) heenan (DOT) net> wrote:
SEOwebMarket.com wrote:
http://news.google.com/news?q=hyphenated+domain+names

Three cr*p articles, quoting one statement from one man who doesn't know
his arse from his elbow.

Thats the CURRENT Google News on that topic. All of which negate your
advice.

If you want to continue to look stupid, that's fine by me.

I'm not the one advising hyphenated domain names in a conversation
about TLDN EXTENSIONS.

On Apr 28, 12:43*pm, Big Bill <b... (AT) kruse (DOT) co.uk> wrote:
webm... (AT) seowebmarket (DOT) com> wrote:
The underscore _ was also recently rendered equal to a hyphen or space
in file names; it used to be removed, leaving no space.

I think you'll find that while there was a lot of talk about
intentions, there's little evidence to suggest that this actually
happened.

"One key development that Matt shared with the audience was that
underscores in URLs are now (or at least very soon to be) treated as
word separators by Google." - June 2007

I remember that bit.

Underscores currently (2008) work only with FILE names & domains.

Says who? Source?

On Apr 28, 12:43*pm, Big Bill <b... (AT) kruse (DOT) co.uk> wrote:
Too many hyphens has been called blackhat.

It's simpler than that. Complicating your site for humans, in an
attempt to manipulate SERPs is blackhat + foolishly decreasing
conversions. Build it for human conversions; optimize for traffic.

Regardless, adding hyphens to a domain name is typically foolish AND
definitely off-topic (AND was a blackhat fad in recent years).

http://www.google.com/search?q=site%...rology+reports
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%...logy+rep orts

BOTH domains bolded in Google SERPs.

Bolded in Google SERPS may well mean just that, bolded. I don't see
firm evidence to the contrary yet.

BB
--

http://www.kruse.co.uk/
http://www.fat-odin.com/
http://www.here-be-posters.co.uk/

SEOwebMarket.com wrote:

Regardless, adding hyphens to a domain name is typically foolish AND
definitely off-topic (AND was a blackhat fad in recent years).

Ah, the retreat begins.
You stated - more than once - that hyphenated domain names was black hat.
Now it's a black hat fad.

That's rather different, and exactly waht *I* said; it was favoured by
idiot spammers; but that in itself does not (and never did) make it
black hat.

Reality always wins; I guess the apology got lost in that post.

And I wholly agree that Google has changed the rules on how it sees
runningin and under_scores (in fact, I already stated that a couple of
posts back).

But Google STILL looks first for the *exact* term specified, and there
IS difference between the results, so it DOES matter.

Search for [SEOwebMarket], [SEO-web-Market], [SEO_web_Market],
[SEO.web.Market]

The results are NOT identical. This has implications for webmasters when
selecting domain names, and for SEOs.

In my view, there are circumstances where hyphens look better and read
better than runningon, though I freely accept (and have repeated ad
nauseam), that this has been abused, especially by the .info
get-rich-quick-by-buying-my-stupid-ebook-brigade.

Lest I start sounding as fixated as you, I'm now going to opt out of
this thread. You will, of course, have the last word ... try not waste
it by looking silly ;o)

--
Andrew

"SEOwebMarket.com" <webmail (AT) seowebmarket (DOT) com> wrote:

"One key development that Matt shared with the audience was that
underscores in URLs are now (or at least very soon to be) treated as
word separators by Google." - June 2007

Underscores currently (2008) work only with FILE names & domains.

AFAIK, you can't use an _ in a domain name.

As for FILE names, there is no way that Google or any other SE can see
what baz is in:

/foo/bar/baz

BOTH domains bolded in Google SERPs.

Has been discussed a gazillion times: the bolding is just a highlighting
technique.

--
John Bokma http://johnbokma.com/

On 29 Apr 2008 14:24:09 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

"SEOwebMarket.com" <webmail (AT) seowebmarket (DOT) com> wrote:

"One key development that Matt shared with the audience was that
underscores in URLs are now (or at least very soon to be) treated as
word separators by Google." - June 2007

Underscores currently (2008) work only with FILE names & domains.

AFAIK, you can't use an _ in a domain name.

As for FILE names, there is no way that Google or any other SE can see
what baz is in:

/foo/bar/baz

BOTH domains bolded in Google SERPs.

Has been discussed a gazillion times: the bolding is just a highlighting
technique.

Looks like there was only us paying attention :-(


BB
--

http://www.kruse.co.uk/
http://www.fat-odin.com/
http://www.here-be-posters.co.uk/