submitting domains

I have set up web sites for our customers, and I haven't submitted them
to search engines. The websites are all subdomains - i.e.
lastname.mydomain.com. There are about 15 of them. They are all on the
same IP (name based resolving in Apache). Will it be considered
spamming if I submit all of them at once? They all have different
content, but along a similar theme. None are commercial sites.

I don't want my customers penalized even further because of my laziness.

Thanks

Hi,

You don't need to submit them, at least not for google. Just add a
link to the home page of each domain from a page that is already
indexed in Google. Googles spider will find them during it's normal
spidering.

When I do this new pages/sites tend to be indexed in days. I don't
submit sites to search engines I let them find the sites.

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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 22:50:54 GMT, Arthur Dent <42 (AT) mice (DOT) com> wrote:

I have set up web sites for our customers, and I haven't submitted them
to search engines. The websites are all subdomains - i.e.
lastname.mydomain.com. There are about 15 of them. They are all on the
same IP (name based resolving in Apache). Will it be considered
spamming if I submit all of them at once? They all have different
content, but along a similar theme. None are commercial sites.

I don't want my customers penalized even further because of my laziness.

Thanks

SEO Dave <ooar123SP (AT) AMntlworld (DOT) com> wrote

Hi,

You don't need to submit them, at least not for google. Just add a
link to the home page of each domain from a page that is already
indexed in Google. Googles spider will find them during it's normal
spidering.

When I do this new pages/sites tend to be indexed in days. I don't
submit sites to search engines I let them find the sites.

David replace SP@AM with @ to email me direct.
_
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ooar123...-optimization/ Free
SEO Tips (01/01/2004)
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ooar123.../seo-help.html
hire SEO Dave
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 22:50:54 GMT, Arthur Dent <42 (AT) mice (DOT) com> wrote:

I have set up web sites for our customers, and I haven't submitted them
to search engines. The websites are all subdomains - i.e.
lastname.mydomain.com. There are about 15 of them. They are all on the
same IP (name based resolving in Apache). Will it be considered
spamming if I submit all of them at once? They all have different
content, but along a similar theme. None are commercial sites.

I don't want my customers penalized even further because of my laziness.

Thanks

SEO Dave... Why do SEs, in particular google, provide methods
for submitting web sites if it is so totally unecessary as you
say ? Is this simply becuase, as in your case, you create
a new web site and immediately provide external links from
your other sites to this new site ? And if this is the case
isn't that a form of submission ? Assuming I'm getting that
straight I'm beginning to feel this is like a good - ole - boys
network and in my poor case I'm not one of the boys yet
Cause it isn't easy for us beginners to get links from other
sites especially when you're an ecommerce site and all other
related sites would be competitors that wont likely send traffic
your way.

Jon

so youve no control over *any* other page in the entire google index. i was
like you a while back, but i remembered my crappy personal site and posted a
link on that. i was in google soon after.

how about posting the link in regularly spidered web forums/newsgroups. when
i searched for my site in the beginning, i saw that posts from usenet were
in google, along with my url


"Jon" <fornews (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

SEO Dave <ooar123SP (AT) AMntlworld (DOT) com> wrote

Hi,

You don't need to submit them, at least not for google. Just add a
link to the home page of each domain from a page that is already
indexed in Google. Googles spider will find them during it's normal
spidering.

When I do this new pages/sites tend to be indexed in days. I don't
submit sites to search engines I let them find the sites.

David replace SP@AM with @ to email me direct.
_
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ooar123...-optimization/ Free
SEO Tips (01/01/2004)

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ooar123...n/seo-help.htm

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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 22:50:54 GMT, Arthur Dent <42 (AT) mice (DOT) com> wrote:

I have set up web sites for our customers, and I haven't submitted them
to search engines. The websites are all subdomains - i.e.
lastname.mydomain.com. There are about 15 of them. They are all on
the
same IP (name based resolving in Apache). Will it be considered
spamming if I submit all of them at once? They all have different
content, but along a similar theme. None are commercial sites.

I don't want my customers penalized even further because of my
laziness.

Thanks



SEO Dave... Why do SEs, in particular google, provide methods
for submitting web sites if it is so totally unecessary as you
say ? Is this simply becuase, as in your case, you create
a new web site and immediately provide external links from
your other sites to this new site ? And if this is the case
isn't that a form of submission ? Assuming I'm getting that
straight I'm beginning to feel this is like a good - ole - boys
network and in my poor case I'm not one of the boys yet
Cause it isn't easy for us beginners to get links from other
sites especially when you're an ecommerce site and all other
related sites would be competitors that wont likely send traffic
your way.

Jon

On 9 Jan 2004 19:43:38 -0800, fornews (AT) hotmail (DOT) com (Jon) wrote:

SEO Dave... Why do SEs, in particular google, provide methods
for submitting web sites if it is so totally unecessary as you
say ?

I would say because webmasters want somewhere to submit their sites to
and if google provide it they won't be inundated with emails asking
why hasn't my site been indexed.

Is this simply becuase, as in your case, you create
a new web site and immediately provide external links from
your other sites to this new site ? And if this is the case
isn't that a form of submission ?

You can call it submission if you like. Basically this is how spiders
like Googles work, they go to pages they already know about and follow
links, if your link is amongst one of those links you get spidered.

Assuming I'm getting that
straight I'm beginning to feel this is like a good - ole - boys
network and in my poor case I'm not one of the boys yet
Cause it isn't easy for us beginners to get links from other
sites especially when you're an ecommerce site and all other
related sites would be competitors that wont likely send traffic
your way.

Jon

I started my first real site just 18 months ago (June 2002). I had
another site before that, but it was a word of mouth type business so
didn't need Google etc... and was deleted by the time I did the
Lingerie site.

Took me about three days from uploading my first Lingerie site to
getting my first customers (obviously not from Google). I was as new
as anyone to web sites then, so probably knew less then than you do
now.

I might add I lost my first domain to credit card fraud (about a month
into it, it turned out the cheap host I used was a rip off) and didn't
get back online for weeks (August 2002) with a new domain and new host
(basically had to start again!).

Between August and November 2002 I was working with the belief "build
it and they will come" (feel free to laugh at me). After realising
having a web site didn't mean having a successful business I started
learning SEO from this newsgroup and SEO forums implementing
everything I learnt and testing/researching new ideas.

By February (or was it april) I was seeing over 1000 unique visitors a
day, just from very basic SEO techniques. Early last month I got my
traffic for the old lingerie domain to peak at 7000 unique visitors a
day. The domains been banned now, so had to start again, but I have no
doubts I'll be back in the thousands of visitors a day range in no
time (already seeing very good indications and this time the domain
won't get banned).

So it's not that hard to build a site up from nothing and without
spending a small fortune. Also I knew no one who would link to me to
start me off.

I've been getting my fair share of emails from potential clients
looking to hire my services since mid November and I'm very happy to
take their money and they will get very good value for service. But
nothing I do is particularly hard, just takes knowing the right
information at the right time and using it in the right way.

If you are prepared to learn and work hard anyone can get decent
traffic to a website at little or no cost. If you don't have the time
or inclination to learn to do it yourself or it's more cost effective
to pay for optimisation then find someone or a SEO firm you like and
hire them.

I'm optimising entire sites including giving future SEO advice for
well under £1000, if someone had offered me that option 14 months ago
and I believed they could deliver what I wanted I'd of jumped at it.

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"John" <celticfcPANTS (AT) iol (DOT) ie> wrote

so youve no control over *any* other page in the entire google index. i was
like you a while back, but i remembered my crappy personal site and posted a
link on that. i was in google soon after.

how about posting the link in regularly spidered web forums/newsgroups. when
i searched for my site in the beginning, i saw that posts from usenet were
in google, along with my url


First of all I may have stolen the original posters thread... sorry

about that. I just like to dig deeper at times. anyway..

I've posted my doamin a few times here but at times I fear that
I may begin looking like a spammer so I hesitate... But since
you asked. My site is http://www.hairexpo.biz
I was in google back in October/November. I'm not sure if I
was dumped due to godaddy, google, or something I did.. or
perhaps all three !! Talk about digging out of a hole.
I know I'm not optimized very well, and I know I have few
incoming links and what I do have are from places like here
and places like epinions. So for sure I'm weak but to be
totally excluded from google is still a mystery. What I'm
gathering and based on what I commented about from SEO Dave's
comments is it seems to get indexed quickly you really need
strong external links. Because if the submission tool at
google is really to give webmasters a warm fuzzy and reduce
eamil to google then how else does google find a site and
in particular in such short period of time. I have other
domains that I use for playing, etc. that have been spidered
but never submitted but that takes many months not days as
Dave is touting. So the only other alternative that makes sense,
assuming the submission tool is useless, is to have strong
incoming links. And in my situation that is virtually impossible.

Jon