Stage three of bad coding

tonnie wrote:

and meteen te begrijpen.

Hmmz, dat is snel te begrijpen voor de meeste bezoekers van a.i.s-e....

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Big Bill wrote:

If you support XHTML, remove it ;-)

I have, but I've learned my lesson. HTML4.01 Strict all the way.

I'd be more inclined to go for Transitional. Give people room, they'll
need it.

I am not transitioning from anything. I'm not rewriting already existing
sites (thank god), but only making new ones. Why would they need
transitional crap? Give me a good example what exatcly from the repetoire
of transitional is needed i cannot get in strict. (Aside from target=""
issues: the more savvy users know what to do, for the ignorant who usually
have js enabled there is the an alternative automatically appended on their
onclick event...).

But the styles idea sounds good, especially if it's the only way to
change the looks of things.

Well, classes are also made on the fly, with particular layout, but a
'<h2>' sais infinitly more then a '<div>' offcourse...

I'm alwasy frightened when the people determining these essential
criteria are obviously doing it in their second or third language...
:-(

Well, talking about language, as a non-native speaker i"m not absolutely
sure what you're trying to say there.

Let's just ease your mind in saying that splitting layout and content
should not just appear at page-level, also, the CMS should split it in it's
core. Every structure that is not manually entered (a list of availabel
albums versus the text of a particular page for instance) has it's
predetermined HTML-layouts, which the less savvy users can choose from or
the more trusted users can edit, alter or append.
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"Rik" <luiheidsgoeroe (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

tonnie wrote:
and meteen te begrijpen.

Hmmz, dat is snel te begrijpen voor de meeste bezoekers van a.i.s-e....

Tenminste 5 mensen in ais-e kunnen dit lezen IIRC.

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"John Bokma" <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote

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It's like an email application with spell checker that tells you you can't
read the email from your mom, because it had a spelling mistake :-D.

Yep, as in XHTML you *have* to close all elements. A pain, as I have a site
written in XHTML but I also did it to make sure I could. I find myself
making sure everything is closed now even in HTML.:-)

Stacey

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If they validate they are well-formed :-)

Had a case this week where the W3 validator (which does show caveats)
failed to spot an illegal character.

On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 04:30:04 +0100, Tips
<see_reply-to_address (AT) nospam (DOT) invalid> wrote:

http://johnbokma.com/mexit/2005/11/07/ -> VMware player (free), with
Ubuntu (free). There are several ways to transfer files between the two
ftp, sharing, etc.

You can also download a Ubuntu VM (VMware site) which might perform
faster.


I'll have to try vmware. I'm using QEMU for Damn Small Linux:
http://tips.webdesign10.com/portable-software-windows

There must be a way to transfer files with QEMU also, but I haven't
figured it out yet.

I wonder... pretty good second hand computer goes for less then $100. Does
it make sense to try to start two OSes on the same machine at the same
time? Isn't it more convenient to put another machine - no monitor, no
keyboard - close by? I have a Gentoo server here on the 400 MHz IBM (yep,
true blue) that I bought on Allegro (something like Polish eBay) for about
$100 two years ago. It works mainly as a router, but whenever I need to do
some greppi'n or something I use Samba mapped directory that I can acess
from the Windows level plus Putty for a Linux shell. To be honest I have
no idea about setup details as Junior did it - but it works perfectly.

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On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 12:15:55 +0100, Borek
<m.borkowski (AT) delete (DOT) chembuddy.these.com.parts> wrote:

no keyboard - close by? I have a Gentoo server here on the 400 MHz IBM
(yep, true blue) that I bought on Allegro (something like Polish eBay)
for about $100 two years ago. It works mainly as a router, but whenever

I have checked out of curiosity - for the same price today about 800 MHz,
128 MB RAM, 20 GB HDD, CD, FDD, integrated Ethernet. Probably more than
most of us needs for everydays work - and we are talking about supporting
machine

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Big Bill wrote:

I think we're solidly into stage three of sites that are so badly
built they're impossible to optimise. Stage one was sites built in
frames, although mostly there was at least something that could be
done with them. Stage two was Flash, and as we all know the only thing
to do with an all-Flash site is build another one in html. Now I'm
seeing more and more evidence of an emerging third stage, the
expensive site built in a CMS so badly conceived that execution of any
on-page optimisation is well-nigh impossible, the functionality simply
hasn't been built in. Try telling people that too!

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the flash and framed sites can be seo'ed but you will have to adapt the
content.
(my nemesis inspirals.co.uk is framed and stable as #1 for "silver
jewellery")

the cms is a different issue, simply hack the display pages as ive done
with my blog!

Mark

"Phil Payne" <phil (AT) isham-research (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

If they validate they are well-formed :-)

Had a case this week where the W3 validator (which does show caveats)
failed to spot an illegal character.

HTML or XHTML? From what I know about HTML is that it's extremely
difficult, hence the validator is not 100% perfect. XML was made to
simplify things.

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Borek <m.borkowski (AT) delete (DOT) chembuddy.these.com.parts> wrote:

[ VM ]

I wonder... pretty good second hand computer goes for less then $100.
Does it make sense to try to start two OSes on the same machine at
the same time? Isn't it more convenient to put another machine - no
monitor, no keyboard - close by?

Depends, of course. If one has space (even a bare box takes up some
space), and needs the other OS a lot, yup.

Personally, I would love a dual head set up, with one running a VM now and
then when I need it.

I have a Gentoo server here on the
400 MHz IBM (yep, true blue) that I bought on Allegro (something like
Polish eBay) for about $100 two years ago. It works mainly as a
router, but whenever I need to do some greppi'n or something I use
Samba mapped directory that I can acess
from the Windows level plus Putty for a Linux shell. To be honest I
have
no idea about setup details as Junior did it - but it works perfectly.

Yup, used SGI computers in similar set ups :-)

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