Stage three of bad coding

Big Bill wrote:

Well Bill, as coder of a (still crappy, but compact & versatile)
CMS, I'm curious. What would your needs be for SEO?

Er, you don't already know? Why are you building one if you don't
already know?

Heuy, I'm no SEO. I can make a nice package for you where everything you
want to change on a page is changeable, and I know my HTML semantics.
Figuring out what search-engines want is not my cup of tea though, and
unless specified explicitly on my contract (in which case I outsource it
:-), not my job. What IS my job, is to make important changes as easy as
possible, and if specified what those changes are, are can get you there
very fast.

Meta tags can be inserted on the
fly (for the whole site, a custom portion of the site or a single
'page'), people are thoroughly stimulated to use headings instead of
markup (I want this bold, underlined, with a greater font => no, you
want a heading that looks like that).

Tell me your needs and I'll do my best to incorporate them :-).

I'm putting a page together about just that issue. I'll post here when
it's up, maybe folk can Digg it or whatever the current fashion is
now.

Check, I'll look for it.
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Paul B <customerservices (AT) houstoncrafts (DOT) com> wrote:

On 16 Dec 2006 18:22:31 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

If you support XHTML, remove it ;-)

What's wrong with XHTML ?

If for some reason your document is not well-formed, a parser (for
example) must reject it. Probably most browsers don't do this, nor will do
so in the future, making XHTML a joke.


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On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 22:26:20 GMT, Big Bill <bill (AT) kruse (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:02:32 +0000, Paul B
customerservices (AT) houstoncrafts (DOT) com> wrote:

On 16 Dec 2006 18:22:31 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

If you support XHTML, remove it ;-)

What's wrong with XHTML ?
One of my sites is XHTML and works in all browsers tested as well as
very good in the SERPS ?

Much harder to allow for in a CMS Paul.

Ah,
I see.

Thanks Bill

BB

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On 16 Dec 2006 22:49:19 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

Paul B <customerservices (AT) houstoncrafts (DOT) com> wrote:

On 16 Dec 2006 18:22:31 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

If you support XHTML, remove it ;-)

What's wrong with XHTML ?

If for some reason your document is not well-formed, a parser (for
example) must reject it.

That's okay. The pages validate and AFAIK mine are well formed

Probably most browsers don't do this, nor will do so in the future, making XHTML a joke.

It's only a day or two's work to convert it all back. I only did it to
familiarize myself with XHTML. Adding a string to my bow.

plh
Paul

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Big Bill wrote:

On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:45:32 +0100, tonnie <t.prasing (AT) chello (DOT) nl
wrote:
So, let them. Let them build shitty sites. Eventually they will come to
some one who is capable of making good sites.

Do you know a CMS that works for SEO?

Drupal is excellent and highly customizable. WordPress also can be used as
a great lightweight CMS. Both are very search engine friendly with a
little configuration.

http://drupal.org
http://wordpress.org


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Rik wrote:

Well Bill, as coder of a (still crappy, but compact & versatile) CMS, I'm
curious. What would your needs be for SEO? Meta tags can be inserted on
the fly (for the whole site, a custom portion of the site or a single
'page'), people are thoroughly stimulated to use headings instead of
markup (I want this bold, underlined, with a greater font => no, you want
a heading that looks like that).

Tell me your needs and I'll do my best to incorporate them :-).

Take a close look at Drupal and its modules because it is a very good CMS
that is search engine friendly.

A good CMS should have:
* clean, customizible URLs (see Drual's URL aliases and taxonomy system)
* only one URL per page of content
* customizible meta description tags for each page
* customizible <title> and <h1> for each page
* 'tags' or categories -- for example, Drupal will generate extra pages of
content on particular themes if you tag them.
* rss feeds
* send proper HTTP headers at the correct times (especially 404)

Drupal is so good that I can't imagine wanting to code a CMS else unless you
are using something other than PHP/MySQL, are doing it for fun, have really
specific needs, or want some kind of proprietary system to sell.

Big Bill wrote:

The last two I've come across quite simply do not allow for
optimisation of the code. H tags around things like "Click here" and
you can't get rid of it or turn it into font tags or span styles.

When I am learning a new CMS and don't know where the code is that generates
a particular bit of output, I grep through the source code to locate the
file.

For example, run this in the root directory of a local copy of the CMS to
find the <h1>, modifying it if necessary:

grep -r '<h1>' *

If you are in Windows, you can use grep with Cygwin:
http://www.cygwin.com/

On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 18:48:56 -0500, Tips
<see_reply-to_address (AT) nospam (DOT) invalid> wrote:

Big Bill wrote:

The last two I've come across quite simply do not allow for
optimisation of the code. H tags around things like "Click here" and
you can't get rid of it or turn it into font tags or span styles.

When I am learning a new CMS and don't know where the code is that generates
a particular bit of output, I grep through the source code to locate the
file.

For example, run this in the root directory of a local copy of the CMS to
find the <h1>, modifying it if necessary:

grep -r '<h1>' *

If you are in Windows, you can use grep with Cygwin:
http://www.cygwin.com/

This assumes you know what grep means (I don't) and it also assumes
that the coders of the CMS allow you anywhere within spitting distance
of their proprietary code. I'm refused ftp access ironically in the
most needy cases, and so is everyone else. Potential damage caused by
incompetence (moi??) and intellectual copyright are cited as the
reasons why.

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Paul B <customerservices (AT) houstoncrafts (DOT) com> wrote:

On 16 Dec 2006 22:49:19 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

Paul B <customerservices (AT) houstoncrafts (DOT) com> wrote:

On 16 Dec 2006 18:22:31 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com
wrote:

If you support XHTML, remove it ;-)

What's wrong with XHTML ?

If for some reason your document is not well-formed, a parser (for
example) must reject it.

That's okay. The pages validate and AFAIK mine are well formed

If they validate they are well-formed :-)

Probably most browsers don't do this, nor will do so in the future,
making XHTML a joke.

It's only a day or two's work to convert it all back. I only did it to
familiarize myself with XHTML. Adding a string to my bow.

Thing is, from what I have read so far on XHTML, is that a browser
handling XHTML as XML should give up parsing if the document is not well-
formed. In the past Netscape had also a strict HTML parser, resulting in a
"blank" page when the HTML had errors. This is great when developing, but
sucks when your XHTML page becomes not well-formed in real life
situations, greeting visitors with a "this document is not well-formed".

It's like an email application with spell checker that tells you you can't
read the email from your mom, because it had a spelling mistake :-D.

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Tips <see_reply-to_address (AT) nospam (DOT) invalid> wrote:

If you are in Windows, you can use grep with Cygwin:
http://www.cygwin.com/

No need for Cygwin (too much of a hell unless you know what you gotten
into): http://johnbokma.com/mexit/2006/07/01/

Yup, grep is there too, and ls, etc.

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