To splashpage or not to splashpage?

Big Bill wrote:

On 1 Oct 2006 10:34:02 -0700, "johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com"
johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com> wrote:

Big Bill wrote:

Yourdomainnameissimplyanonsensewordtotheenginesbec ausetheyseeitlikethis.
So you want to use the internal links to your home page to give the
engines some idea of what the site is about.

It is called text parsing.

So from Google's point of view, because they parse text, there is not
much difference between natural-health.html and naturalhealth.html

Yes there is because they don't do that. natural_health and
naturalhealth are the same as each other but not the same as natural
health or natural-health.

Well, I am of the opinion that Google does parse it.

My site is: naturalhealthperspective.com

I provide a Title, a Desc, and even Keywords. Google tells me
keywords. If Google cannot find natural in
naturalhealthperspective.com then they need to go school again.

Just my opinion, but I am NEVER wrong. Even when I make a mistake.

On 1 Oct 2006 14:39:20 -0700, "johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com"
<johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com> wrote:

My website is: NaturalHealthPerspective.com. If Google cannot parse
that, who cares? Certainly not me. Because my My website is:
NaturalHealthPerspective.com.

Just thought that you might want to know.

Domain name is one of many factors, you don't have to get them all
right and even if you did have a hyphenated domain like
Natural-Health-Perspective.com it wouldn't help your site with SERPs
that don't include those three words. For example it doesn't help with
a SERP like "nutritional supplements" or "holistic medicine" so you
only miss out on a small boost for a small set of your SERPs.

So if making a new site and SEO is more important than branding go
with hyphenated with relevant keywords. If you already have a domain
name that you've put work into DON'T buy a new hyphenated domain just
for that small boost, you'll knock your efforts back months/years as
new sites (or sites lacking old links) don't rank well
http://www.seo-gold.com/tutorial/goo...ox-effect.html

I bought http://www.morearnings.com/ at auction as it had some
links/little PR which helps it pass the sandbox period a little faster
than starting with a new domain like
http://www.seo-consultant-services.co.uk/ The first site is for faster
rankings and the latter for long term (a year plus from now when the
links age, no rush).

Also you can always hyphenate filenames like you have here
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/...-medicine.html so you
at least get a boost for the words holistic and medicine.

David
--
Totally Duh! http://www.totallyduh.com/
SEO Services http://www.seo-gold.com/expert-seo-consultant.php

On 1 Oct 2006 14:45:19 -0700, "johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com"
<johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com> wrote:

Yes there is because they don't do that. natural_health and
naturalhealth are the same as each other but not the same as natural
health or natural-health.

Well, I am of the opinion that Google does parse it.

My site is: naturalhealthperspective.com

I provide a Title, a Desc, and even Keywords. Google tells me
keywords. If Google cannot find natural in
naturalhealthperspective.com then they need to go school again.

Just my opinion, but I am NEVER wrong. Even when I make a mistake.

I'm afraid not :-))

If google could parse something from naturalhealthperspective.com why
would it go with-

natural health perspective

and not-

na tural heal thpers pective
natural healthpers pective
na turalhealth pers pective
natu ralhe althpersp ective
n aturalhe althpersp ective

Think about domain names that could be parsed into more than one
phrase, which would Google use?

Now with underscores I don't understand why Google doesn't parse
natural_health to natural health, but currently it doesn't.

Here's an example- morearnings.com

Should this be parsed to-

mor earnings
or
more arnings

Note the domain is not found for either-

http://www.google.com/search?num=100...22&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?num=100...22&btnG=Search

But is number one for the made up word morearnings-

http://www.google.com/search?num=100...gs&btnG=Search

David
--
SERPS http://www.seo-gold.com/tutorial/serps-competition.html
AdSense Tips http://www.morearnings.com/2006/05/08/adsense-revenue/

David wrote:

On 1 Oct 2006 14:45:19 -0700, "johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com"
johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com> wrote:

Yes there is because they don't do that. natural_health and
naturalhealth are the same as each other but not the same as natural
health or natural-health.

Well, I am of the opinion that Google does parse it.

My site is: naturalhealthperspective.com

I provide a Title, a Desc, and even Keywords. Google tells me
keywords. If Google cannot find natural in
naturalhealthperspective.com then they need to go school again.

Just my opinion, but I am NEVER wrong. Even when I make a mistake.

I'm afraid not :-))

If google could parse something from naturalhealthperspective.com why
would it go with-

natural health perspective

and not-

na tural heal thpers pective
natural healthpers pective
na turalhealth pers pective
natu ralhe althpersp ective
n aturalhe althpersp ective

Think about domain names that could be parsed into more than one
phrase, which would Google use?

I haven't been reading the thread, but on the subject of domain names and
how Google reads text:

http://www.google.com/search?q=site%...org+sex+change

David wrote:

On 1 Oct 2006 14:45:19 -0700, "johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com"
johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com> wrote:

Yes there is because they don't do that. natural_health and
naturalhealth are the same as each other but not the same as natural
health or natural-health.

Well, I am of the opinion that Google does parse it.

My site is: naturalhealthperspective.com

I provide a Title, a Desc, and even Keywords. Google tells me
keywords. If Google cannot find natural in
naturalhealthperspective.com then they need to go school again.

Just my opinion, but I am NEVER wrong. Even when I make a mistake.

I'm afraid not :-))

If google could parse something from naturalhealthperspective.com why
would it go with-

natural health perspective

and not-

na tural heal thpers pective
natural healthpers pective
na turalhealth pers pective
natu ralhe althpersp ective
n aturalhe althpersp ective

Think about domain names that could be parsed into more than one
phrase, which would Google use?

A real tragedy I am sure.

www.naturalhealthmag.com/ is #1
www.naturalhealthweb.com/ is #2
www.naturalhealthvillage.com/ is #3
www.naturalhealth.org/ is #6
www.usenature.com/ is #9

naturalhealthperspective.com/ is #17 for search all words.

Notice anything, here?

You guys need to try harder, next time. Talk about a non-issue.

Big Bill wrote:

On 1 Oct 2006 09:57:12 -0700, "johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com"
johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com> wrote:

Big Bill wrote:
On 1 Oct 2006 06:13:14 -0700, "johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com"
johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com> wrote:

I have studied the following two recommended hyperlinks.

http://sandy007smarty.seo.iitm.ac.in...p-10-seo-tips/
http://www.seo-gold.com/tutorial/anc...imization.html

Using the suggested test found in the Anchor Text Optimization page, I
was able to operationally determine that Google does in fact totally
ignore "Title tags for text links." That simple test kept me from
going totally nuts, yet again. Nolonger will I have to re-write all of
my web pages to insert title tags. Nevertheless, I might still add a
few title tags where the text link is quite tiny for the benefit of the
user.

Why not just use bigger text in the links in the first place?

Because ...

Because of the usual reasons of good web page design. Not everyone,
including me, is using the latest hardware. I am running, believe it
or not, Windows95 at 800 x 600 resolution in 256 colors on a 14
monitor.

Why?

Too much info on one line and the row will wrap. Not
everyone is using a 21 inch monitor. I believe that the average user
visiting my site is using the next resolution size up.

1024 x 768.

For them, the
page header and page footer will look just about right. And, I have
experimented with different font sizes.

If the fonts are too small, the user is obviously using the wrong font
size for their screen resolution. And, they also are obviously using a
web browser that does not provide for text zooming.

I fished my Window95 system out of the dumpster. And, believe it or
not, it has the fastest modem connect speed of all the computers that I
have used at home.

Modem? Ye Gods...

Windows95 has a smaller profile which means it
works well with very little ram. I bought yesterday, a 3 Gig harddrive
at a computer fair for $3.00. It will solve the current 1 Gig
harddrive problem quite nicely. It is a junk computer which I use to
connect to the web. This Windows95 computer has a big 40 Megs of RAM.
That 1 Gig harddrive used to knock horribly loud like it was about to
die. So, I kept on banging on the computer case to keep the computer
from locking up. Guess what? I banged it so hard while I was on the
Internet that I fixed it!!! I have not had a problem with the
harddrive since.

I have noticed that internal modems always manage, on a cheap computer
at least, to lock up. That causes the computer to lock up. In turn it
forces me to turn the power off. Which manages to totally destory the
operating system files and all the other files on the computer. That
is why I am using this junk computer, now. Why should anyone spend
more than $20 on their Internet computer?

Faster connection would be my guess.

Not really, I have used DSL on computers with really big flat screen
monitors. The display looks a little funny because the screen is way
bigger than what I am used to. Of course, I have checked out my site
on these too.

For me, being on the internet is largely a matter of doing nothing. I
find a page and just sit there staring at the screen.

I do NOT do a lot of downloading or audio visual stuff.

So, the difference in connection speed don't mean much to me. DSL is
not any faster on these newsgroups, either.

And, sometimes even with DSL you have to wait for a page to load.

I have another Windows98 computer, but it is painfully slow for some
unknown reason. While my Window95 system connects at a full 56K
everytime and just jips along.

On 2 Oct 2006 06:27:47 -0700, "johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com"
<johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com> wrote:

David wrote:
On 1 Oct 2006 14:45:19 -0700, "johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com"
johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com> wrote:

Yes there is because they don't do that. natural_health and
naturalhealth are the same as each other but not the same as natural
health or natural-health.

Well, I am of the opinion that Google does parse it.

My site is: naturalhealthperspective.com

I provide a Title, a Desc, and even Keywords. Google tells me
keywords. If Google cannot find natural in
naturalhealthperspective.com then they need to go school again.

Just my opinion, but I am NEVER wrong. Even when I make a mistake.

I'm afraid not :-))

If google could parse something from naturalhealthperspective.com why
would it go with-

natural health perspective

and not-

na tural heal thpers pective
natural healthpers pective
na turalhealth pers pective
natu ralhe althpersp ective
n aturalhe althpersp ective

Think about domain names that could be parsed into more than one
phrase, which would Google use?

A real tragedy I am sure.

What's with the attitude!

www.naturalhealthmag.com/ is #1
www.naturalhealthweb.com/ is #2
www.naturalhealthvillage.com/ is #3
www.naturalhealth.org/ is #6
www.usenature.com/ is #9

naturalhealthperspective.com/ is #17 for search all words.

Notice anything, here?

Yes, you didn't get the point.

Here's one comparable to your example and shows your misunderstanding
of SEO-

Miserable Failure SERP -
http://www.google.com/search?num=100...re&btnG=Search

Oh look the number one site doesn't actually use those words in the
body text etc...
http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:...n&ct=clnk&cd=1
therefore to be good at SEO we shouldn't include the phrases we want
to rank highly for on the site.

That's basically what you just said with your example.

You guys need to try harder, next time. Talk about a non-issue.

Try harder at what? I'm giving you free information that's accurate
and factual that can be used to gain more traffic, your loss if you
don't see that!!

Sheesh you can't help some people without getting "Oh I'm sorry, I've
been researching SEO for 15 minutes and so I know more than you, tut,
tut".

David
--
PageRank Explained http://www.seo-gold.com/tutorial/pagerank.html
Free SEO Advice http://www.morearnings.com/2006/03/31/free-seo-advice/

David wrote:

On 2 Oct 2006 06:27:47 -0700, "johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com"
johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com> wrote:


David wrote:
On 1 Oct 2006 14:45:19 -0700, "johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com"
johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com> wrote:

Yes there is because they don't do that. natural_health and
naturalhealth are the same as each other but not the same as natural
health or natural-health.

Well, I am of the opinion that Google does parse it.

My site is: naturalhealthperspective.com

I provide a Title, a Desc, and even Keywords. Google tells me
keywords. If Google cannot find natural in
naturalhealthperspective.com then they need to go school again.

Just my opinion, but I am NEVER wrong. Even when I make a mistake.

I'm afraid not :-))

If google could parse something from naturalhealthperspective.com why
would it go with-

natural health perspective

and not-

na tural heal thpers pective
natural healthpers pective
na turalhealth pers pective
natu ralhe althpersp ective
n aturalhe althpersp ective

Think about domain names that could be parsed into more than one
phrase, which would Google use?

A real tragedy I am sure.

What's with the attitude!

www.naturalhealthmag.com/ is #1
www.naturalhealthweb.com/ is #2
www.naturalhealthvillage.com/ is #3
www.naturalhealth.org/ is #6
www.usenature.com/ is #9

naturalhealthperspective.com/ is #17 for search all words.

Notice anything, here?

Yes, you didn't get the point.

Here's one comparable to your example and shows your misunderstanding
of SEO-

Miserable Failure SERP -
http://www.google.com/search?num=100...re&btnG=Search

Oh look the number one site doesn't actually use those words in the
body text etc...
http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:...n&ct=clnk&cd=1
therefore to be good at SEO we shouldn't include the phrases we want
to rank highly for on the site.

That's basically what you just said with your example.

You guys need to try harder, next time. Talk about a non-issue.

Try harder at what? I'm giving you free information that's accurate
and factual that can be used to gain more traffic, your loss if you
don't see that!!

Sheesh you can't help some people without getting "Oh I'm sorry, I've
been researching SEO for 15 minutes and so I know more than you, tut,
tut".

????

So, the point is?

www.naturalhealthmag.com/ is #1

Therefore, not having the word natural separated by a dash does NOT
doom my site to failure. In fact, I would say that the trend is not
using the dash to separate words. There are more things to consider
than just SERPs when picking a good site name.

Just as obvioulsy, there are many factors in achieving a number one
position. Publishing a commerical magazine called Natural Health
obviously would help a lot.

What I have noticed about SEO people is that they seemly delite in
making us website operators neurotic over non-issues.

I have re-designed my home page nearly 100%. I have added the Keyword
Wellness. I am going to anchor all references to my home page with the
keyword wellness. I might make my menu buttons bigger. The new design
makes sense to me. The new layout looks just about right. If my
position suddenly goes up in Google due to new page content and a
greatly increased keyword density, then I will go on to redesign my
Level - 2 pages. Otherwise, I wont.

Everything else appears to me at this point to be a non-issue. If I
ever think of anything new, I will let you guys know.

Thanks for your previous tips.

On 2 Oct 2006 08:29:27 -0700, "johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com"
<johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com> wrote:

David wrote:
On 2 Oct 2006 06:27:47 -0700, "johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com"
johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com> wrote:


David wrote:
On 1 Oct 2006 14:45:19 -0700, "johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com"
johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com> wrote:

Yes there is because they don't do that. natural_health and
naturalhealth are the same as each other but not the same as natural
health or natural-health.

Well, I am of the opinion that Google does parse it.

My site is: naturalhealthperspective.com

I provide a Title, a Desc, and even Keywords. Google tells me
keywords. If Google cannot find natural in
naturalhealthperspective.com then they need to go school again.

Just my opinion, but I am NEVER wrong. Even when I make a mistake.

I'm afraid not :-))

If google could parse something from naturalhealthperspective.com why
would it go with-

natural health perspective

and not-

na tural heal thpers pective
natural healthpers pective
na turalhealth pers pective
natu ralhe althpersp ective
n aturalhe althpersp ective

Think about domain names that could be parsed into more than one
phrase, which would Google use?

A real tragedy I am sure.

What's with the attitude!

www.naturalhealthmag.com/ is #1
www.naturalhealthweb.com/ is #2
www.naturalhealthvillage.com/ is #3
www.naturalhealth.org/ is #6
www.usenature.com/ is #9

naturalhealthperspective.com/ is #17 for search all words.

Notice anything, here?

Yes, you didn't get the point.

Here's one comparable to your example and shows your misunderstanding
of SEO-

Miserable Failure SERP -
http://www.google.com/search?num=100...re&btnG=Search

Oh look the number one site doesn't actually use those words in the
body text etc...
http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:...n&ct=clnk&cd=1
therefore to be good at SEO we shouldn't include the phrases we want
to rank highly for on the site.

That's basically what you just said with your example.

You guys need to try harder, next time. Talk about a non-issue.

Try harder at what? I'm giving you free information that's accurate
and factual that can be used to gain more traffic, your loss if you
don't see that!!

Sheesh you can't help some people without getting "Oh I'm sorry, I've
been researching SEO for 15 minutes and so I know more than you, tut,
tut".

????

So, the point is?

www.naturalhealthmag.com/ is #1

That's not a point.

Therefore, not having the word natural separated by a dash does NOT
doom my site to failure.

Who said it did, and it's hyphen not dash :-)

In fact, I would say that the trend is not
using the dash to separate words.

That's called a guess.

A few SEO's actually spend time researching this stuff and your guess
is wrong. Easy mistake to make for newbies to SEO though especially
when Google suggests it parses one word domains like yours in the
SERPs as it highlights the words from searches like
http://www.google.com/search?num=100...ealth+magazine

There are more things to consider
than just SERPs when picking a good site name.

Yes, which is why I said "So if making a new site and SEO is more
important than branding go with hyphenated with relevant keywords."

Just as obvioulsy, there are many factors in achieving a number one
position.

Funnily enough I said that also-

"Domain name is one of many factors, you don't have to get them all
right"

Did you read my posts to this thread?

Publishing a commerical magazine called Natural Health
obviously would help a lot.

What I have noticed about SEO people is that they seemly delite in
making us website operators neurotic over non-issues.

And yet I said this a few posts earlier-

==================================================
Domain name is one of many factors, you don't have to get them all
right and even if you did have a hyphenated domain like
Natural-Health-Perspective.com it wouldn't help your site with SERPs
that don't include those three words. For example it doesn't help with
a SERP like "nutritional supplements" or "holistic medicine" so you
only miss out on a small boost for a small set of your SERPs.

So if making a new site and SEO is more important than branding go
with hyphenated with relevant keywords. If you already have a domain
name that you've put work into DON'T buy a new hyphenated domain just
for that small boost, you'll knock your efforts back months/years as
new sites (or sites lacking old links) don't rank well
http://www.seo-gold.com/tutorial/goo...ox-effect.html

I bought http://www.morearnings.com/ at auction as it had some
links/little PR which helps it pass the sandbox period a little faster
than starting with a new domain like
http://www.seo-consultant-services.co.uk/ The first site is for faster
rankings and the latter for long term (a year plus from now when the
links age, no rush).

Also you can always hyphenate filenames like you have here
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/...-medicine.html so you
at least get a boost for the words holistic and medicine.
==================================================

So would you like to take your comment that we delight in making
webmasters neurotic back? I certainly don't!

I have re-designed my home page nearly 100%. I have added the Keyword
Wellness. I am going to anchor all references to my home page with the
keyword wellness. I might make my menu buttons bigger. The new design
makes sense to me. The new layout looks just about right. If my
position suddenly goes up in Google due to new page content and a
greatly increased keyword density, then I will go on to redesign my
Level - 2 pages. Otherwise, I wont.

Everything else appears to me at this point to be a non-issue.

How much organic search engine traffic do you get a day?

That's a point BTW :-)

If I
ever think of anything new, I will let you guys know.

If you know so much why are you wasting your time asking for help?

Thanks for your previous tips.

They are the last you'll get direct from me.

David
--
SEO Tutorial http://www.seo-gold.com/tutorial/
More Earnings Blog http://www.morearnings.com/

David wrote:

????

So, the point is?

www.naturalhealthmag.com/ is #1

That's not a point.

Therefore, not having the word natural separated by a dash does NOT
doom my site to failure.

Who said it did, and it's hyphen not dash :-)

In fact, I would say that the trend is not
using the dash to separate words.

That's called a guess.

A few SEO's actually spend time researching this stuff and your guess
is wrong. Easy mistake to make for newbies to SEO though especially
when Google suggests it parses one word domains like yours in the
SERPs as it highlights the words from searches like
http://www.google.com/search?num=100...ealth+magazine

If all you have is a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail:
Certainly, is starting to apply, here.

Also you can always hyphenate filenames like you have here
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/...-medicine.html so you
at least get a boost for the words holistic and medicine.

Which is better? holistic-medicine.html or holistic_medicine.html ?

A lot has to do with whether you pick the right name for the page to
begin with.

I have a few goofs that I am in the process of correcting, but they are
minor issues. I have around 130 web pages to fool with.

I have re-designed my home page nearly 100%. I have added the Keyword
Wellness. I am going to anchor all references to my home page with the
keyword wellness. I might make my menu buttons bigger. The new design
makes sense to me. The new layout looks just about right. If my
position suddenly goes up in Google due to new page content and a
greatly increased keyword density, then I will go on to redesign my
Level - 2 pages. Otherwise, I wont.

Everything else appears to me at this point to be a non-issue.

How much organic search engine traffic do you get a day?

Not much, I would like to increase page views on average by one
thousand a day as a result of my latest SEO efforts, which I will
measure during the month of March 2007. Page views very from 350 to
3,000 a day. Of this, only 40% comes from the search engines. I get
referrals from at least 20 different search engines: Mostly Google
followed by half-as-much from Yahoo, and 6% from MSN.

The keyword 'Natural Health' is not a top draw on my site. Right now,
it is about number 10. I would like to see more traffic from all of
the major keywords on my site. So, I felt that my home page was as
good as place to start as any, if not THE perfect place.

The first step in my latest SEO efforts was to change the company
hosting my site, to Linux Hosting by HostMySite.com. Previously, I had
Re-Direction problems which no longer exist as a result of the move at
the end of August.

I have also quantified Good keywords from researching:
http://tools.seobook.com/general/keyword/#results
I got the major keyswords for Level 1 and 2 web pages, with hard
numbers which are guesses. But, certainly more realistic than my
imagination.

That's a point BTW :-)

If I
ever think of anything new, I will let you guys know.

If you know so much why are you wasting your time asking for help?

Got tired of Google support forums. After a while, one can only take
so much of Google is good and great. I needed to move beyond Google
Sitemaps and PC nonsense. I do NOT need to stand on my head, or jump
up and down all day.

I want measurable and observable results.

I want to do this SEO, once, and get it over with as soon as possible.