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Default Spiders crawl CSS? - 09-17-2003 , 12:19 PM






Do google's spiders crawl the css?
If not, then using keyword-rich hidden text is surely undetectable by a
spider.

The only way one would get caught would be if a human (competitor) reported
the hidden text to google. But even then, I hear that google wouldn't
penalise a site, they would instead endeavour to alter their algos to try
and catch hidden text using css. I read somewhere that google don't
[generally] manually penalise sites.

Can someone shed any light on google & css?

thanks
mark



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Alex Gogan
 
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Default Re: Spiders crawl CSS? - 09-17-2003 , 12:54 PM






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Do google's spiders crawl the css?
If not, then using keyword-rich hidden text is surely undetectable by a
spider.

The only way one would get caught would be if a human (competitor) reported
the hidden text to google. But even then, I hear that google wouldn't
penalise a site, they would instead endeavour to alter their algos to try
and catch hidden text using css. I read somewhere that google don't
[generally] manually penalise sites.

Can someone shed any light on google & css?

thanks
mark


Hi Brother

I know sometimes they do a human check on it and will also actively look
for "hidden" in the html and in the css file. So my guess would be yes
they do penalise.

Regards

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Default Re: Spiders crawl CSS? - 09-17-2003 , 03:42 PM



Quote:
I know sometimes they do a human check on it and will also actively look
for "hidden" in the html and in the css file. So my guess would be yes
they do penalise.
Hi Alex.

How do you know they do a human check on it?
There are too many websites for them to even bother sending out human
moderators.

hmmm
Mark




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rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski
 
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Default Re: Spiders crawl CSS? - 09-17-2003 , 04:19 PM



Brothermark wrote:
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I know sometimes they do a human check on it and will also actively
look for "hidden" in the html and in the css file. So my guess would
be yes they do penalise.

Hi Alex.

How do you know they do a human check on it?
There are too many websites for them to even bother sending out human
moderators.
Yes, but what about in response to specific complaints? No, Google
doesn't do this as a routine matter. However, they do investigate spam
reported.
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rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski
 
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Default Re: Spiders crawl CSS? - 09-17-2003 , 04:20 PM



yonnermark wrote:

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The only way one would get caught would be if a human (competitor)
reported the hidden text to google. But even then, I hear that google
wouldn't penalise a site, they would instead endeavour to alter their
algos to try and catch hidden text using css. I read somewhere that
google don't [generally] manually penalise sites.
Not universally true. And, I wouldn't recommend you risking your site
getting the Google Death Penalty cheating this way. D'ya feel lucky
punk?
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Philipp Lenssen
 
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Default Re: Spiders crawl CSS? - 09-18-2003 , 05:10 AM



yonnermark wrote:

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Do google's spiders crawl the css?
If not, then using keyword-rich hidden text is surely undetectable by
a spider.

I suppose if they don't do now, they might next week.

Use normal text and make it keyword-rich. Think of your human readers
first.

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Ina Koys
 
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Default Re: Spiders crawl CSS? - 09-18-2003 , 06:35 AM




"yonnermark" <yonner (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Quote:
Do google's spiders crawl the css?
If not, then using keyword-rich hidden text is surely
undetectable by a
spider.
I do think they are able to detect certain specifications. I had
some small, invisible links to otherwise uncrawlable backlinking
sites on mine. My PR dropped.

Ina




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Default Re: Spiders crawl CSS? - 09-18-2003 , 08:23 AM




Quote:
I do think they are able to detect certain specifications. I had
some small, invisible links to otherwise uncrawlable backlinking
sites on mine. My PR dropped.

Ina
Hmm but thats different. Google's spiders could still read your link because
it was in the body of the text, it probably didn't know it was hidden.




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Ina Koys
 
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Default Re: Spiders crawl CSS? - 09-18-2003 , 08:44 AM



Brothermark wrote:
Quote:
I do think they are able to detect certain specifications. I
had some small, invisible links to otherwise uncrawlable
backlinking sites on mine. My PR dropped.

Ina

Hmm but thats different. Google's spiders could still read
your link because it was in the body of the text, it probably
didn't know it was hidden.
Why should they punish me for a visible link??




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Philip Baker
 
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Default Re: Spiders crawl CSS? - 09-18-2003 , 06:26 PM



In article <%P%9b.364$%N.226926 (AT) newsfep1-win (DOT) server.ntli.net>,
yonnermark <yonner (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com> writes
Quote:
Do google's spiders crawl the css?
If not, then using keyword-rich hidden text is surely undetectable by a
spider.

The only way one would get caught would be if a human (competitor) reported
the hidden text to google. But even then, I hear that google wouldn't
penalise a site, they would instead endeavour to alter their algos to try
and catch hidden text using css. I read somewhere that google don't
[generally] manually penalise sites.

Can someone shed any light on google & css?

Do you have separate css files? Have you checked for bots looking at
them? Technically there is no reason why an SE should not analyse the
css. I have a suspicion that Google also looks at the dominant colour of
images.
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