Is this site breaking SE Rules?

Hi,

I believe this site is breaking Search Engine rules by having hidden
keywords. As someone running a site which comes lower on Google, but does
not use hidden text, I would like advice on the best way to get them to
correct their site so we are at least competing on a "level playing field".

http://www.morleyharps.co.uk/

Thanks in anticipation.

Nathan

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Nathan Demsky

Nathan Demsky wrote:

Hi,

I believe this site is breaking Search Engine rules by having hidden
keywords. As someone running a site which comes lower on Google, but does
not use hidden text, I would like advice on the best way to get them to
correct their site so we are at least competing on a "level playing field".

http://www.morleyharps.co.uk/

Thanks in anticipation.

Nathan

I don't see any hidden text. Spammy title= perhaps. Am I looking in the
wrong place? Or is it exceptionally well hidden?

What's the URL of the site you are trying to better it with? Can we help
you in that way?

Jez.

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:48:04 +0100, Jez <j.ez (AT) virgin (DOT) net> wrote:

I believe this site is breaking Search Engine rules by having hidden
keywords. As someone running a site which comes lower on Google, but
does
not use hidden text, I would like advice on the best way to get them to
correct their site so we are at least competing on a "level playing
field".
http://www.morleyharps.co.uk/

I don't see any hidden text. Spammy title= perhaps. Am I looking in the
wrong place? Or is it exceptionally well hidden?

<div class="reader" title="site summary - same on all pages">
Clive Morley Harps for: folk harps; therapy harps; lap / travel harps;
antique harps; electro harps; pedal harps; concert harps; harp kits; harp
strings; harp stools; sheet music for the harp; harp tuners; harp stands;
music stands; harp concerts; harp events; harp lessons; harp teachers;
teach the harp; learn to play the harp; harp hire; harp history; harp
museum and much more harp related equipment and accessories. UK-based
harp manufacturers and harp suppliers but offering delivery worldwide.
</div>

and in http://www.morleyharps.co.uk/sys/styles/global.css:

..reader {
display: none;
}

Hidden as hell Report them.

Borek
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Borek wrote:

I don't see any hidden text. Spammy title= perhaps. Am I looking in
the wrong place? Or is it exceptionally well hidden?


div class="reader" title="site summary - same on all pages"
Clive Morley Harps for: folk harps; therapy harps; lap / travel harps;
antique harps; electro harps; pedal harps; concert harps; harp kits;
harp strings; harp stools; sheet music for the harp; harp tuners; harp
stands; music stands; harp concerts; harp events; harp lessons; harp
teachers; teach the harp; learn to play the harp; harp hire; harp
history; harp museum and much more harp related equipment and
accessories. UK-based harp manufacturers and harp suppliers but
offering delivery worldwide.
/div

and in http://www.morleyharps.co.uk/sys/styles/global.css:

.reader {
display: none;
}

Hidden as hell Report them.

Lol, how did I miss that? Be still my scrolling finger.

Borek

Jez.

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:55:38 +0100, Borek
<m.borkowski (AT) delete (DOT) chembuddy.these.com.parts> wrote:

| On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:48:04 +0100, Jez <j.ez (AT) virgin (DOT) net> wrote:
|

snip

|
| > I don't see any hidden text. Spammy title= perhaps. Am I looking in
the
| > wrong place? Or is it exceptionally well hidden?
|
| <div class="reader" title="site summary - same on all pages"
| Clive Morley Harps for: folk harps; therapy harps; lap / travel harps;
| antique harps; electro harps; pedal harps; concert harps; harp kits;
harp
| strings; harp stools; sheet music for the harp; harp tuners; harp
stands;
| music stands; harp concerts; harp events; harp lessons; harp teachers;
| teach the harp; learn to play the harp; harp hire; harp history; harp
| museum and much more harp related equipment and accessories. UK-based
| harp manufacturers and harp suppliers but offering delivery worldwide.
| </div
|
| and in http://www.morleyharps.co.uk/sys/styles/global.css:
|
| .reader {
| display: none;
| }
|
| Hidden as hell Report them.
|

I have also noticed this:

<div id="pagedescription">

<p>A family business, Clive Morley Harps has been making harps since
1817.<br /><br />Formerly based in London's elegant South
Kensington, Clive Morley Harps still makes harps and sells them
together with harp strings, harp accessories and harp sheet music from
its showroom and studio in Lechlade, Gloucestershire.<br /><br />In
addition, Clive Morley Harps offers the harpist long or short term harp
rental services on a wide range of harps available in stock. Renting a
harp is ideal for first time musicians or for use at harp concerts and harp
recitals.<br /><br />For first time harpists (and those just
learning the ropes - or rather the strings!), harp classes
are also available from experienced harps teachers at Clive Morley
Harps' studio in Lechlade, Gloucestershire.<br /><br />Both
Morley Workshop harps and other manufacturer's harps are available to
buy online or by contacting Clive Morley Harps at their showroom and studio
in Lechlade, Gloucestershire. Types of harps include: folks
harps; electro folk harps; lap harps; travle harps; busking
harps; scottish folk harps; modern folks harps; therapy
harps; concert harps; dusty strings harps; morley workshop
harps; antique harps; pedal harps; concert pedal harps;
pure electro pedal harps; midi harps. Also sold are harp kits,
for the DIY harpist.<br /><br />Best quality harp strings can be bought
by the note or octave online in the Clive Morley Harps shop - harps
strings include: concert harps strings; gothic harp strings;
grecian harps strings; modern concert harps strings; gut harp
strings; synthetic gut harp strings; nylon harps strings; folk
harps strings; polished nylon harp strings elysian gut harp
strings; elysian nylon harp strings; bow brand gut harp
strings.<br /><br />Harp accessories available to buy online
include: harp stools; harp music stands; harp trollies;
harp covers; harp twin tape pickups; electro harp pickups.<br
/><br />Finally, Clive Morley Harps offer sheet music for harps whether
for pleasure or for study, with exam pieces and study books available
to buy online.</p>

</div>

Nathan

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:16:11 +0000, Nathan Demsky
<nathan (AT) THATSMYSECRET (DOT) invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:55:38 +0100, Borek
m.borkowski (AT) delete (DOT) chembuddy.these.com.parts> wrote:

|| On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:48:04 +0100, Jez <j.ez (AT) virgin (DOT) net> wrote:
||

snip

||
|| > I don't see any hidden text. Spammy title= perhaps. Am I looking in
the
|| > wrong place? Or is it exceptionally well hidden?
||
|| <div class="reader" title="site summary - same on all pages"
|| Clive Morley Harps for: folk harps; therapy harps; lap / travel harps;
|| antique harps; electro harps; pedal harps; concert harps; harp kits;
harp
|| strings; harp stools; sheet music for the harp; harp tuners; harp
stands;
|| music stands; harp concerts; harp events; harp lessons; harp teachers;
|| teach the harp; learn to play the harp; harp hire; harp history; harp
|| museum and much more harp related equipment and accessories. UK-based
|| harp manufacturers and harp suppliers but offering delivery worldwide.
|| </div
||
|| and in http://www.morleyharps.co.uk/sys/styles/global.css:
||
|| .reader {
|| display: none;
|| }
||
|| Hidden as hell Report them.
||

I have also noticed this:

div id="pagedescription"

p>A family business, Clive Morley Harps has been making harps since
1817.<br /><br />Formerly based in London's elegant South
Kensington, Clive Morley Harps still makes harps and sells them
together with harp strings, harp accessories and harp sheet music from
its showroom and studio in Lechlade, Gloucestershire.<br /><br />In
addition, Clive Morley Harps offers the harpist long or short term harp
rental services on a wide range of harps available in stock. Renting a
harp is ideal for first time musicians or for use at harp concerts and harp
recitals.<br /><br />For first time harpists (and those just
learning the ropes - or rather the strings!), harp classes
are also available from experienced harps teachers at Clive Morley
Harps' studio in Lechlade, Gloucestershire.<br /><br />Both
Morley Workshop harps and other manufacturer's harps are available to
buy online or by contacting Clive Morley Harps at their showroom and studio
in Lechlade, Gloucestershire. Types of harps include: folks
harps; electro folk harps; lap harps; travle harps; busking
harps; scottish folk harps; modern folks harps; therapy
harps; concert harps; dusty strings harps; morley workshop
harps; antique harps; pedal harps; concert pedal harps;
pure electro pedal harps; midi harps. Also sold are harp kits,
for the DIY harpist.<br /><br />Best quality harp strings can be bought
by the note or octave online in the Clive Morley Harps shop - harps
strings include: concert harps strings; gothic harp strings;
grecian harps strings; modern concert harps strings; gut harp
strings; synthetic gut harp strings; nylon harps strings; folk
harps strings; polished nylon harp strings elysian gut harp
strings; elysian nylon harp strings; bow brand gut harp
strings.<br /><br />Harp accessories available to buy online
include: harp stools; harp music stands; harp trollies;
harp covers; harp twin tape pickups; electro harp pickups.<br
/><br />Finally, Clive Morley Harps offer sheet music for harps whether
for pleasure or for study, with exam pieces and study books available
to buy online.</p

/div

Nathan

Jeez, you suppose their business is harps, maybe?

BB

http://www.lazishgoogle.net.tc/

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 16:21:49 GMT, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk>
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:16:11 +0000, Nathan Demsky
nathan (AT) THATSMYSECRET (DOT) invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:55:38 +0100, Borek
m.borkowski (AT) delete (DOT) chembuddy.these.com.parts> wrote:

|| On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:48:04 +0100, Jez <j.ez (AT) virgin (DOT) net> wrote:
||

snip

I have also noticed this:

div id="pagedescription"

p>A family business, Clive Morley Harps has been making harps since
1817.<br /><br />Formerly based in London's elegant South
Kensington, Clive Morley Harps still makes harps and sells them
together with harp strings, harp accessories and harp sheet music from
its showroom and studio in Lechlade, Gloucestershire.<br /><br />In
addition, Clive Morley Harps offers the harpist long or short term harp
rental services on a wide range of harps available in stock. Renting a
harp is ideal for first time musicians or for use at harp concerts and harp
recitals.<br /><br />For first time harpists (and those just
learning the ropes - or rather the strings!), harp classes
are also available from experienced harps teachers at Clive Morley
Harps' studio in Lechlade, Gloucestershire.<br /><br />Both
Morley Workshop harps and other manufacturer's harps are available to
buy online or by contacting Clive Morley Harps at their showroom and studio
in Lechlade, Gloucestershire. Types of harps include: folks
harps; electro folk harps; lap harps; travle harps; busking
harps; scottish folk harps; modern folks harps; therapy
harps; concert harps; dusty strings harps; morley workshop
harps; antique harps; pedal harps; concert pedal harps;
pure electro pedal harps; midi harps. Also sold are harp kits,
for the DIY harpist.<br /><br />Best quality harp strings can be bought
by the note or octave online in the Clive Morley Harps shop - harps
strings include: concert harps strings; gothic harp strings;
grecian harps strings; modern concert harps strings; gut harp
strings; synthetic gut harp strings; nylon harps strings; folk
harps strings; polished nylon harp strings elysian gut harp
strings; elysian nylon harp strings; bow brand gut harp
strings.<br /><br />Harp accessories available to buy online
include: harp stools; harp music stands; harp trollies;
harp covers; harp twin tape pickups; electro harp pickups.<br
/><br />Finally, Clive Morley Harps offer sheet music for harps whether
for pleasure or for study, with exam pieces and study books available
to buy online.</p

/div

Nathan

Jeez, you suppose their business is harps, maybe?

BB

Stop harping on about it BB
plh
Paul


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On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 16:21:49 GMT, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Snip

| >strings; elysian nylon harp strings; bow brand gut harp
| >strings.<br /><br />Harp accessories available to buy online
| >include: harp stools; harp music stands; harp
trollies;
| >harp covers; harp twin tape pickups; electro harp
pickups.<br
| >/><br />Finally, Clive Morley Harps offer sheet music for harps
whether
| >for pleasure or for study, with exam pieces and study books
available
| >to buy online.</p
|
| ></div
|
| >Nathan
|
| Jeez, you suppose their business is harps, maybe?
|
| BB

So how do I go about telling Google about this? Will they contact the site
owner or will they lower the site in the listings or what, and when?

Or should I simply contact the owner?

Nathan

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 20:04:25 +0100, Nathan Demsky
<nathan (AT) THATSMYSECRET (DOT) invalid> wrote:

So how do I go about telling Google about this? Will they contact the
site
owner or will they lower the site in the listings or what, and when?

http://www.google.com/contact/spamreport.html

It is very likely they will do nothing, but that's the contact to use.

Borek
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