Shaky future for word1-word2.com names?

Jackie told me she read in a response by one of you (very helpful)
people here something about domain names in the form of
word1-word2.com being great now but shaky in the future in terms of
SEs.

I find this hard to believe, but what do I know? I'll be darned if I
could find anything about this, in a response to us or somewhere else.

Any ideas or "redirects" to info about this?

Jake

On 1 Nov 2004 12:06:35 -0800, swervedrivers (AT) comcast (DOT) net
(swervedrivers.com) wrote:

Jackie told me she read in a response by one of you (very helpful)
people here something about domain names in the form of
word1-word2.com being great now but shaky in the future in terms of
SEs.

I find this hard to believe, but what do I know? I'll be darned if I
could find anything about this, in a response to us or somewhere else.

Any ideas or "redirects" to info about this?

I have heard mutterings about the number of hyphens possibly involved
.... but nothing conclusive yet to my knowledge.

Could be that domain words as a whole may be weighted differently in
an algo change. Used to be on Google that PR was heavily weighted ...
now it isn't felt to be as heavily weighted.

Things change! Which helps not have things monotonous and to keep us
on our toes [plus not putting all our eggs into one basket].

Jake

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 20:21:49 GMT, from_you (AT) nomail (DOT) com (C.W.) wrote:

On 1 Nov 2004 12:06:35 -0800, swervedrivers (AT) comcast (DOT) net
(swervedrivers.com) wrote:

Jackie told me she read in a response by one of you (very helpful)
people here something about domain names in the form of
word1-word2.com being great now but shaky in the future in terms of
SEs.

I find this hard to believe, but what do I know? I'll be darned if I
could find anything about this, in a response to us or somewhere else.

Any ideas or "redirects" to info about this?

I have heard mutterings about the number of hyphens possibly involved
... but nothing conclusive yet to my knowledge.

By the by - the resaon shared is due to folks snagging up horrendous
keyword laden domain names like
keyword-keyword-keyword-keyword-keyword,com and such.

I don't know if this also to thwart some folks who have multiple
domain names pointing to the same site/content so trying to hog some
result spots that way.

May have started beign whispered due to some vague wording Yahoo
shared when they updated their Site Guidelines over the summer. But so
far still nothing but whispers with "maybe" thoughts attached. Yahoo's
wording seemed more aimed at folks going overboard, per se, with
subdirectory/subdomain - where they woudl have each page being in a
"keyword rich named" subdirectory and repeating part of the same
keywords in the .html file name too. So kind of "spamming" the
keywords in Yahoo's opinion.

Carol

"swervedrivers.com" <swervedrivers (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

Jackie told me she read in a response by one of you (very helpful)
people here something about domain names in the form of
word1-word2.com being great now but shaky in the future in terms of
SEs.

I find this hard to believe, but what do I know? I'll be darned if I
could find anything about this, in a response to us or somewhere else.

Any ideas or "redirects" to info about this?

Jake

Pay no attention. I would expect that abominations such as
http://www.super-cheap-airline-ticke...-get-there.com
will probably do little from an SEO perspective.

But, who would want such a name for a long term successful site?

Build a solid site. Build a solid brand awareness.

If you have a site that should be found, the SE's will decelop a way to find
it. Let the spammers have their day in the sun.

John Merrell
Gateway Farm Alpacas
http://www.gateway-alpacas.com

(BTW, I also have www.gatewayalpacas.com, So, which reads easier? Which
best establishes the name? Why do I use the above...)

Jackie told me she read in a response by one of you (very helpful)
people here something about domain names in the form of
word1-word2.com being great now but shaky in the future in terms of
SEs.

Well actually that's NOT what I said. He's lucky he's not here right
now because I'd poind his face in. ) I think Stacey said something
about how she heard it MIGHT be a possible possibility that the algos
might be changes because of the hyphen thing....and now that I'm
trying to remember exactly I can't so I'll have to go look it up.

I have heard mutterings about the number of hyphens possibly involved
... but nothing conclusive yet to my knowledge.

By the by - the resaon shared is due to folks snagging up horrendous
keyword laden domain names like
keyword-keyword-keyword-keyword-keyword,com and such.

I don't know if this also to thwart some folks who have multiple
domain names pointing to the same site/content so trying to hog some
result spots that way.

May have started beign whispered due to some vague wording Yahoo
shared when they updated their Site Guidelines over the summer. But so
far still nothing but whispers with "maybe" thoughts attached. Yahoo's
wording seemed more aimed at folks going overboard, per se, with
subdirectory/subdomain - where they woudl have each page being in a
"keyword rich named" subdirectory and repeating part of the same
keywords in the .html file name too. So kind of "spamming" the
keywords in Yahoo's opinion.

Carol

Well this is cool anyway because most of the sites we deal with have
only one hyphen. )

Thanks Carol!
Jackie

Thanks Mr. Farm! ) I would have had to read gatewayalpacas over
about five times before I knew what it was! )

Jackie

"Gateway Farm" <johnwmerrell (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in message news:

Pay no attention. I would expect that abominations such as
http://www.super-cheap-airline-ticke...-get-there.com
will probably do little from an SEO perspective.

But, who would want such a name for a long term successful site?

Build a solid site. Build a solid brand awareness.

If you have a site that should be found, the SE's will decelop a way to find
it. Let the spammers have their day in the sun.

John Merrell
Gateway Farm Alpacas
http://www.gateway-alpacas.com

(BTW, I also have www.gatewayalpacas.com, So, which reads easier? Which
best establishes the name? Why do I use the above...)

"swervedrivers.com" <swervedrivers (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote


<snip>

Well actually that's NOT what I said. He's lucky he's not here right
now because I'd poind his face in. ) I think Stacey said something
about how she heard it MIGHT be a possible possibility that the algos
might be changes because of the hyphen thing....and now that I'm
trying to remember exactly I can't so I'll have to go look it up.

snip

Well, I said something like that. I haven't heard anything. :-) I said that
it may change to where these domains and such with keywords will not be
considered for ranking. This is because the SE's change their algos
constantly. You never know what tomorrow will bring.

Stacey

swervedrivers.com wrote:

Thanks Mr. Farm! ) I would have had to read gatewayalpacas over
about five times before I knew what it was! )

Jackie

"Gateway Farm" <johnwmerrell (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in message news:

Pay no attention. I would expect that abominations such as
http://www.super-cheap-airline-ticke...-get-there.com
will probably do little from an SEO perspective.

But, who would want such a name for a long term successful site?

Build a solid site. Build a solid brand awareness.

If you have a site that should be found, the SE's will decelop a way
to find it. Let the spammers have their day in the sun.

John Merrell
Gateway Farm Alpacas
http://www.gateway-alpacas.com

(BTW, I also have www.gatewayalpacas.com, So, which reads easier?
Which best establishes the name? Why do I use the above...)

If you have a spam url name I would advise to be very careful about over use
of the same words within the pages. spam - spam = 0
Best regards, Eric.

"swervedrivers.com" <swervedrivers (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote

Thanks Mr. Farm! ) I would have had to read gatewayalpacas over
about five times before I knew what it was! )

Your welcome Mr. Jake.

My point is fairly simple. If your focus is on short term gain by gaming the
SE's, pay attention to all the drivel presented as expert advice on this NG.
Buy disposable domains (they're cheap enough), build some sites that you can
use to funnel PR, and go compete with the spammers. You are now an enemy of
the SE's, and they will beat you down over and over. Your income will be
dependent on the algo of the day. If you are targeting a single, highly
competitive keyphrase your traffic can disappear literally overnight.

On the other hand, if your focus is on a long term presence and steady
income, build a site with staying power. In other words, build a site that
deserves to be ranked in the top ten in its area. Build a brand that will
generate traffic without the SE's. Think about your site more like you would
a brick and mortar store. The SE's will be your friend, and you will not
have to spend your time (and money) trying to figure out the latest algo
twists and turns, nor will you have to burn through your disposable domains.

You can discount my words based on my subject/niche. I know what has worked
for me though. Top ten across scores of terms across all the major SE's.

If you're in it for the money, you might also research your niche carefully.
One of my clients just made over $34,000 USD in less than 4 weeks via their
website that I manage. This was accomplished with a focused email campaign
to a list of a little over 5000 names.

Many ways to make money on the net. Spamming is probably one of the most
unstable.

Stereotyping is a symptom of a small mind, and seldom bodes well for long
term success...

JM

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:46:49 -0800, "Gateway Farm"
<johnwmerrell (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:

"swervedrivers.com" <swervedrivers (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:906042fa.0411031007.c2577d4 (AT) posting (DOT) google.com...
Thanks Mr. Farm! ) I would have had to read gatewayalpacas over
about five times before I knew what it was! )


Your welcome Mr. Jake.

My point is fairly simple. If your focus is on short term gain by gaming the
SE's, pay attention to all the drivel presented as expert advice on this NG.

If the NG is filled with drivel what the hell are you subscribed to it
for??

Buy disposable domains (they're cheap enough),

Who in the NG alt.internet.search-engines who would be considered a
regular poster advises the above?

build some sites that you can
use to funnel PR

Nothing wrong with the above, though if you are going to do this think
worthwhile sites. Also expect it to take up a lot of your time, it can
be part of a very, very long term plan.

and go compete with the spammers.

Who advises competing with the spammers? Assume you mean go out there
and guestbook spam your links etc... and fill your pages with spammy
lists of keywords.

You are now an enemy of
the SE's, and they will beat you down over and over.

Although I don't recommend the above, some people who do the above
well make a lot of money. Before really getting into SEO I sold over
£80,000 worth of stock online primarily because I link spammed. I
could easily repeat this over and over and over again (with disposable
domains :-)), but I want long term success not short term.

Point is people do make a lot of money using spammy techniques and it
is easily repeatable at little to no cost. All it takes is limited
knowledge and free time.

Your income will be
dependent on the algo of the day.

That's true whether you stick to the search engines guidelines or not.
Plenty of non spammy websites got hit during Googles Florida Update,
wasn't only spammers and plenty of spammers got missed.

If you are targeting a single, highly
competitive keyphrase your traffic can disappear literally overnight.

First thing we can agree on.

On the other hand, if your focus is on a long term presence and steady
income, build a site with staying power. In other words, build a site that
deserves to be ranked in the top ten in its area.

Agree so far.

Build a brand that will
generate traffic without the SE's. Think about your site more like you would
a brick and mortar store.

Rubbish. Brand means lots of advertising or a service so good (like
Google) it will be spread by word of mouth. How many here have a
site/business that fits this description?

How exactly do you build a brand that generates non search engine
traffic when you don't have an advertising budget or an innovative
service that everyone will talk about? Be realistic, most of us need
the search engines for traffic.

The SE's will be your friend, and you will not
have to spend your time (and money) trying to figure out the latest algo
twists and turns, nor will you have to burn through your disposable domains.

Those disposable domains again. I don't own any disposable domains, I
can think of one semi regular poster who has mentioned disposable
domains as part of their plan when things went wrong (think it was in
frustration) and it was generally debated as a bad idea long term by
the regular posters here.

You can discount my words based on my subject/niche. I know what has worked
for me though. Top ten across scores of terms across all the major SE's.

Nothing wrong with your niche. I suppose as it is a niche it would
make it much easier to brand your business, no real competition.
Wouldn't work with say a lingerie site selling the same lingerie you
can find on 500+ similar sites though.

If you're in it for the money, you might also research your niche carefully.
One of my clients just made over $34,000 USD in less than 4 weeks via their
website that I manage. This was accomplished with a focused email campaign
to a list of a little over 5000 names.

Hmm, that sounds very spammy. If the 5000 email names was bought
you/they are email spammers, if the email addresses was obtained by an
opt in list over many years (i.e. via a newsletter owned by the
company) it's not applicable to most sites. We can't suddenly generate
5000 email addresses out of a hat without buying them and becoming
email spammers!

If we have to create something to obtain 5000 email addresses and then
have thousands of people view our sites so they join the email list,
you have the problem of how are you going to get thousands of visitors
to start with? It's the old chicken and the egg.

Many ways to make money on the net. Spamming is probably one of the most
unstable.

Have you actually tried it, if not how can you be sure?

I know I could start with nothing, not even a website and within 3
months have the beginnings of a successful business with almost no
cost just by link spamming.

I could within a week have a dozen or more mirrors (with enough
changes to fool the engines) of a lingerie site I own online and
generate thousands of unique visitors a day per site within months.
Within a year I can easily make £100,000 from this with the only cost
domain names and web hosting (both cheap). In terms of spamming it
would likely take an hour a day of my time. I'd probably loose a
domain ever 4 months (some would last in the search engines for
years), but could add another domain in a few hours.

Spamming the search engines is an easy way to make money if you know
what you are doing. Note I don't do this, even though I know how
profitable it can be.

Stereotyping is a symptom of a small mind, and seldom bodes well for long
term success...

I agree!

JM

David
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http://www.search-engine-optimization-services.co.uk/