Several months and still not indexed

I know, I know: patience, patience. But I'm wondering if I've done
something totally wrong on the design of this site to make Google not index
it.

http://www.bible-topics.com

The site has been online for several months now, and from the day it was
posted, it has had several PR5+ links pointing to it. It's also been listed
on DMOZ (from
http://dmoz.org/Society/Religion_and...tianity/Bible/ )
almost as long as I have had www.bible-topics.com online.

And yet, it's still not indexed by Google.

I was hoping someone with more knowledge than I might be able to tell me if
I have done something wrong in the site design.

The site *has* been indexed by other engines and does receive traffic.

--
Brandon Staggs
http://www.brandonstaggs.com

On 04.6.3 7:12 PM, Brandon wrote:

I know, I know: patience, patience. But I'm wondering if I've done
something totally wrong on the design of this site to make Google not index
it.

http://www.bible-topics.com

Copying the content wholesale from somewhere else was a bad idea. I reckon
Google took one look at your page, said to itself "Hey, I've seen this all
before at <http://www.mun.ca/rels/restmov/texts/dasc/NTT-00C.HTM> -- must be
some kind of spam", and consigned it to the scrap heap.

Write an original home page. Google likes original content.

Just add a link to the R. A. Torrey page if you think it's really important.

--
Philip Ronan
phil.ronanzzz (AT) virgin (DOT) net
(Please remove the "z"s if replying by email)

"Brandon" <goto (AT) website (DOT) insig.foremail> wrote

I know, I know: patience, patience. But I'm wondering if I've done
something totally wrong on the design of this site to make Google not
index
it.

http://www.bible-topics.com

The site has been online for several months now, and from the day it was
posted, it has had several PR5+ links pointing to it. It's also been
listed
on DMOZ (from
http://dmoz.org/Society/Religion_and...tianity/Bible/ )
almost as long as I have had www.bible-topics.com online.

And yet, it's still not indexed by Google.

I was hoping someone with more knowledge than I might be able to tell me
if
I have done something wrong in the site design.

The site *has* been indexed by other engines and does receive traffic.

--
Brandon Staggs
http://www.brandonstaggs.com


Seems to be a common problem at the moment!!!

link:www.bible-topics.com shows nothing and PR=0

There appears to be noithing wrong with your site to prevent google from
spidering and indexing. I'm having a similar problem myself.

On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:12:41 -0500, Brandon wrote:

I know, I know: patience, patience. But I'm wondering if I've done
something totally wrong on the design of this site to make Google not index
it.

It appears fully navigable to me.

Let's start a rumor that Google is run by godless athiests.

And yet, it's still not indexed by Google.

I was hoping someone with more knowledge than I might be able to tell me if
I have done something wrong in the site design.

Site design looks good.

The site *has* been indexed by other engines and does receive traffic.

That's more proof that the site design is fine.


--
Will
Webmaster: http://www.internet-search-engines-faq.com

"Philip Ronan" <phil.ronanzzz (AT) virgin (DOT) net> wrote

On 04.6.3 7:12 PM, Brandon wrote:

I know, I know: patience, patience. But I'm wondering if I've done
something totally wrong on the design of this site to make Google
not index it.

http://www.bible-topics.com

Copying the content wholesale from somewhere else was a bad idea. I
reckon Google took one look at your page, said to itself "Hey, I've
seen this all before at
http://www.mun.ca/rels/restmov/texts/dasc/NTT-00C.HTM> -- must be
some kind of spam", and consigned it to the scrap heap.

I guess you didn't actually compare the two.

My site has the same topical Bible index as the site you compared, but my
site has the full text of each referenced verse, rather than just a verse
reference. Additionally, each topic is indexed under its own HTML file
(which is necessary because the text of my site is several megabytes larger
than the one you linked).

Further, your hypothesis is pretty weak since Google doesn't "not index"
sites with similar content anyway. The same AP stories, for example, can be
found on hundreds of web sites, all indexed by Google. Given that the
textual content of my site is vastly different from the site you linked (and
the other, Google-indexed Torrey Topical Bible content sites that do not
have problems with being exact copies of each other) -- it would seem that
your idea isn't applicable. More evidence is that my other web pages are
all completely indexed, including pages which are simply Bible chapters
online, which are duplicated on hundreds of sites.

Thanks anyway.

Write an original home page. Google likes original content.

I have an "original home page." http://www.bible-topics.com is not a "home
page." As far as I know, it is the only online edition of Torrey's Topical
Bible (which is not "original" on ANY page it appears from, as R.A. Torrey
edited HIS edition of the book before there was even a transistor, and the
content did not even original with HIM) that includes verse text in-line,
which makes it more useful to some people (less link-following).

--
Brandon Staggs
http://www.brandonstaggs.com

"Will Spencer" <will.spencer (AT) internet-search-engines-faq (DOT) com> wrote in
message
newsan.2004.06.03.20.14.56.820000 (AT) internet-search-engines-faq (DOT) com

The site *has* been indexed by other engines and does receive
traffic.

That's more proof that the site design is fine.

I figured as much.

My only theory is that perhaps the domain received the Google Death Penalty
some time before I owned it. But I was under the impression that a DMOZ
listing was basically a guarantee the site would get visited by Googlebot.

--
Brandon Staggs
http://www.brandonstaggs.com

On 04.6.3 9:37 PM, Brandon wrote:

"Philip Ronan" <phil.ronanzzz (AT) virgin (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:BCE53313.1D4BA%phil.ronanzzz (AT) virgin (DOT) net
On 04.6.3 7:12 PM, Brandon wrote:

I know, I know: patience, patience. But I'm wondering if I've done
something totally wrong on the design of this site to make Google
not index it.

http://www.bible-topics.com

Copying the content wholesale from somewhere else was a bad idea. I
reckon Google took one look at your page, said to itself "Hey, I've
seen this all before at
http://www.mun.ca/rels/restmov/texts/dasc/NTT-00C.HTM> -- must be
some kind of spam", and consigned it to the scrap heap.



I guess you didn't actually compare the two.

They look pretty similar to me. I'm talking about the _home page_, right?
The one you see when you go to www.bible-topics.com

I found the other page by selecting a random line from your text and
searching for it at at alltheweb.com.

My site has the same topical Bible index as the site you compared, but my
site has the full text of each referenced verse, rather than just a verse
reference. Additionally, each topic is indexed under its own HTML file
(which is necessary because the text of my site is several megabytes larger
than the one you linked).

That's nice. I was talking about your home page, though. I didn't look at
any of the others.

Further, your hypothesis is pretty weak since Google doesn't "not index"
sites with similar content anyway. The same AP stories, for example, can be
found on hundreds of web sites, all indexed by Google. Given that the
textual content of my site is vastly different from the site you linked (and
the other, Google-indexed Torrey Topical Bible content sites that do not
have problems with being exact copies of each other) -- it would seem that
your idea isn't applicable. More evidence is that my other web pages are
all completely indexed, including pages which are simply Bible chapters
online, which are duplicated on hundreds of sites.

Well OK it's just a hypothesis, but it seems to me a lot of spammers have
started using sites with duplicated content to boost their SERPs lately.
Obviously you're not a spammer, but maybe you set some alarm bells ringing.

Thanks anyway.

Write an original home page. Google likes original content.

I have an "original home page." http://www.bible-topics.com is not a "home
page." As far as I know, it is the only online edition of Torrey's Topical
Bible (which is not "original" on ANY page it appears from, as R.A. Torrey
edited HIS edition of the book before there was even a transistor, and the
content did not even original with HIM) that includes verse text in-line,
which makes it more useful to some people (less link-following).

Er, well by "home page" I meant the default file in your root directory.
Obviously this isn't the only online version of the text you've quoted
there.

You sound a bit annoyed. I'm sorry if my comments are winding you up. I just
think you might benefit by removing the long quotation from your home page.
(Or whatever you call it.)

--
Philip Ronan
phil.ronanzzz (AT) virgin (DOT) net
(Please remove the "z"s if replying by email)

"Philip Ronan" <phil.ronanzzz (AT) virgin (DOT) net> wrote

You sound a bit annoyed. I'm sorry if my comments are winding you up.
I just think you might benefit by removing the long quotation from
your home page. (Or whatever you call it.)

It seemed to me you were referring to the site as a whole as spam. I
apologize for misunderstanding your comments.

Still, it seems unlikely that Google would not link an entire domain because
the root index page has a quotation that exists on other pages. As I
mentioned before, Google routinely indexes web pages on different domains
that are very similar, even duplicate. And my page is not verbatim the same
as any others, so it would be pretty tough to determine that Google is
penalizing the domain because of the Torrey quote. Perhaps if the entire
page was exactly the same as the root index of another site -- but that
isn't happening here.

--
Brandon Staggs
http://www.brandonstaggs.com

On 04.6.3 11:16 PM, Brandon wrote:

Still, it seems unlikely that Google would not link an entire domain because
the root index page has a quotation that exists on other pages. As I
mentioned before, Google routinely indexes web pages on different domains
that are very similar, even duplicate. And my page is not verbatim the same
as any others, so it would be pretty tough to determine that Google is
penalizing the domain because of the Torrey quote. Perhaps if the entire
page was exactly the same as the root index of another site -- but that
isn't happening here.

I agree with you there. But the fact remains that your site has been binned
for some reason. I couldn't find any suspicious backlinks, and the HTML
itself looked OK. So what does that leave as a possible cause for your
problems?

--
Philip Ronan
phil.ronanzzz (AT) virgin (DOT) net
(Please remove the "z"s if replying by email)

On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:16:14 -0500, "Brandon"
<goto (AT) website (DOT) insig.foremail> wrote:

"Philip Ronan" <phil.ronanzzz (AT) virgin (DOT) net> wrote in message
news:BCE55CF2.1D4C8%phil.ronanzzz (AT) virgin (DOT) net

You sound a bit annoyed. I'm sorry if my comments are winding you up.
I just think you might benefit by removing the long quotation from
your home page. (Or whatever you call it.)

It seemed to me you were referring to the site as a whole as spam. I
apologize for misunderstanding your comments.

Still, it seems unlikely that Google would not link an entire domain because
the root index page has a quotation that exists on other pages. As I
mentioned before, Google routinely indexes web pages on different domains
that are very similar, even duplicate.

It's not supposed to. It has duplicate filters.

BB

And my page is not verbatim the same
as any others, so it would be pretty tough to determine that Google is
penalizing the domain because of the Torrey quote. Perhaps if the entire
page was exactly the same as the root index of another site -- but that
isn't happening here.