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Brian Cryer wrote: "maya" <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:vvidnT912sVzjKbXnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com... hi, in google search results (and in other engines too, I think), the first line corresponds to what's in <title> in web page right? the second line is supposed to be what you have in <meta name="description".. tag.. however, sometimes in results for a page on my site instead of content in <meta name="description"..> tag it show shows content of the page, from inside <body> tag.. why does it do this, when in fact I have meta name="description"..> tag in all my pages.. Search engines are free to show you what they want. In the early days it would have been the url, page title and meta-description and I'm sure many search engines still use this combination. Of course this becomes a problem when you consider that not all pages provide a title or meta-description. I believe that Google will often use text from the page, either when it thinks (according to who knows what criteria) that the page from the text is more relevant or when the description is missing or does not appear relevant to the page. Personally, I'd still provide my own description for each page (whether google or others use it or not). thank you for your response.. this SUCKS, it's not a good system at all if they use info from body of page if the page has a meta-description (after all, this is the main PURPOSE of meta-description tags, no??) |
description of your page that is tailored towards what someone is searching
for.
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Brian Cryer
www.cryer.co.uk/brian
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Gazing into my crystal ball I observed maya <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writing in news:jpOdneQobJ9HqaDXnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com: Adrienne Boswell wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball I observed maya <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writing in news:icmdna9ovIJ8mKDXnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com: Adrienne Boswell wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball I observed maya <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writing in news:6oWdnXudPLse5qHXnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com: Adrienne Boswell wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball I observed maya maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> writing in news:HMidnWT-EeQMYabXnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com: Brian Cryer wrote: "maya" <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:vvidnT912sVzjKbXnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com... hi, in google search results (and in other engines too, I think), the first line corresponds to what's in <title> in web page right? the second line is supposed to be what you have in meta name="description"..> tag.. however, sometimes in results for a page on my site instead of content in <meta name="description"..> tag it show shows content of the page, from inside <body> tag.. why does it do this, when in fact I have <meta name="description"..> tag in all my pages.. Search engines are free to show you what they want. In the early days it would have been the url, page title and meta-description and I'm sure many search engines still use this combination. Of course this becomes a problem when you consider that not all pages provide a title or meta-description. I believe that Google will often use text from the page, either when it thinks (according to who knows what criteria) that the page from the text is more relevant or when the description is missing or does not appear relevant to the page. Personally, I'd still provide my own description for each page (whether google or others use it or not). HTH. hi, thank you for your response.. this SUCKS, it's not a good system at all if they use info from body of page if the page has a meta-description (after all, this is the main PURPOSE of meta-description tags, no??) it also bugs the hell out of me that there is no way to communicate directly with google about this, or anything else.. these folks make so much money doing what they do, the least they could is answer questions directly from folks who are affected by what they do... thanks again.. If the meta description is "Maine Coon Cat in Glendale" and the page content is "My Maine Coon, Rolo, is a beautiful female Maine Coon, with a tabby coat, and large feet. She is a loving cat, and comes to a whistle. I taught my cat to come to a whistle by whistling and then offering food when she came in." Now, say someone wants to know how to train their cat to come to a whistle. The word whistle is not in the description, but it is in the page content. The word whistle would appear in the SERPs, and send that user to my site. If it were just on description alone, they might not come. (By the way, anyone reading this message from a site that uses Usenet content, that IS the way I taught my cat to come to a whistle.) well, this is the deal.. I have a photo site, in meta-description it says something like "Photos of India, New York, Australia, Thailand".. but on the pages themselves, inside <body>, I have lots of numbers, corresponding to the photos, with the no. for the current photo highlighted (i.e., a different font-color..) so in the search- results, for the pages in my photo site, instead of the content in the meta-description tag I see something like: 1 2 3 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 13 14 15 16 17 18 20 21 22 23 24.. instead of what I put in the meta-description tag... does this make sense to you???? now the weird thing is, this happens only SOMETIMES, only for some of the pages (all the pages are coded exactly the same, the code is generated from back-end programming..) I think this is really weird... thank you for your response... URL? ok, search for "Frances Del Rio" on google, then click on "more results from www.francesdelrio.com" (all urls under francesdelrio.com/photoblog/ are coded exactly the same, yet under some of them it displays expected results, under other ones it doesn't... ) (some urls in results are old and I have redirects in them, only ones that matter are home page, /photoblog/ and /resume/...) thank you very much... It seems that javascript is necessary to use your site, and your links require javascript to work. That's not friendly for people or search engines. Look at [http://www.francesdelrio.com/photoblog/section2/page1/photos.jsp] with CSS disabled, and you will see why Google is doing what it is doing. ok, do you mean JavaScript or CSS? What I want to do is to disable BOTH javascript AND CSS. THAT is what Google and brethern see. they are too very different things.. so now you can't use JavaScript or CSS on your sites or else google's search-engine programs and algorithms go haywire?? CSS is fine - means nothing to Google. All Google wants is the content, and doesn't care what it looks like. Javascript is NOT fine, especially if it is used to construct links. Google does not have javascript enabled, so it cannot follow onclick links. sorry, this doesn't make any sense.. does this apply also to sites like amazon, CNN, The New York Times, etc?? Amazon, CNN, etc., don't use javascript links. They do things server side, not client side. If they do something client side, it's something to enhance the user's experience, and it not something vital, like navigation. do you think of any of them have JavaScript or CSS disabled so indexing on search-engines work for them??? You are getting confused. It is the user who disbles CSS or javascript, or just does not have it available. so you're saying that google's search engine only reads meta-description tags if CSS is disabled?? sorry, I don't get the logic or the rhyme or reason for this.....  CSS has nothing to do with it. If you don't have Opera browser, go and download it, install it now, fire it up and then come back and read the rest of thie message. Go to the page I told you to go to before: [http://www.francesdelrio.com/photoblog/section2/page1/photos.jsp] Then click on View->Style->User Style. That disables CSS. See all the numbers? Put CSS back, your page is back. Now, for the javascript part. Click Tools->Quick Preferences and uncheck Enable Javascript. Now, refresh the page. What do you see? Nothing. That's not a good thing, and not very user friendly. Visitors with javascript disabled may not know to disable CSS in order to view your page. thank you for your response... I do appreciate you taking the time.... What I suggest you do is: 1. Make your links accessible 2. Put the picture navigation below the picture 3. Use something like photos.jsp?id=picid and only show one picture plus the thumbnails. Right now, you are loading ALL the pictures, plus the thumbnails, and that, my friend, is causing the page to be large and take a long time to load. Have a look at [http://mywonderyears.org/gallery.php] to see what I mean. If you look at [http://mywonderyears.org/general.php?pic=27#pic27] that's a picture of my son. |
site so photos don't load so slow.. (it's just that I don't like it when
every time you load a new photo the whole page loads again, I really
don't like that at all, that can also slow things down.. of course the
way to do this so not all elements of the page reload everytime you load
a new photo is to use frames, but everybody frowns on frames these days,
so probably that's not an option.. yes I need to make my entire site
accessible (but I thought that making sure all elements are text would
also do it.. I need to learn more about accessibility, it's on my to-do
list....
is there a way to test for accessibility in W3C validatorslike you can validate your HTML and CSS code??
(however, none of this answers my question about the meta-description
tags and search-engine results... does it...
your son is cute!!
thank you for your responses..
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"maya" <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:HMidnWT-EeQMYabXnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com... Brian Cryer wrote: "maya" <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:vvidnT912sVzjKbXnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com... hi, in google search results (and in other engines too, I think), the first line corresponds to what's in <title> in web page right? the second line is supposed to be what you have in <meta name="description"..> tag.. however, sometimes in results for a page on my site instead of content in <meta name="description"..> tag it show shows content of the page, from inside <body> tag.. why does it do this, when in fact I have <meta name="description"..> tag in all my pages.. Search engines are free to show you what they want. In the early days it would have been the url, page title and meta-description and I'm sure many search engines still use this combination. Of course this becomes a problem when you consider that not all pages provide a title or meta-description. I believe that Google will often use text from the page, either when it thinks (according to who knows what criteria) that the page from the text is more relevant or when the description is missing or does not appear relevant to the page. Personally, I'd still provide my own description for each page (whether google or others use it or not). thank you for your response.. this SUCKS, it's not a good system at all if they use info from body of page if the page has a meta-description (after all, this is the main PURPOSE of meta-description tags, no??) But it does mean that search engines have the flexibility to return a description of your page that is tailored towards what someone is searching for. |
search engine to return something like
1 2 3 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 13 14 15 16 17 18 20 21 22 23 24..
on one of my pages instead of what I have in meta-description tag?? not
to me it doesn't....
thank you for your response...
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Adrienne Boswell wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball I observed maya <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writing in news:jpOdneQobJ9HqaDXnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com: Adrienne Boswell wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball I observed maya <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writing in news:icmdna9ovIJ8mKDXnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com: Adrienne Boswell wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball I observed maya maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> writing in news:6oWdnXudPLse5qHXnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com: Adrienne Boswell wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball I observed maya maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> writing in news:HMidnWT-EeQMYabXnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com: Brian Cryer wrote: "maya" <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:vvidnT912sVzjKbXnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com... hi, in google search results (and in other engines too, I think), the first line corresponds to what's in <title> in web page right? the second line is supposed to be what you have in <meta name="description"..> tag.. however, sometimes in results for a page on my site instead of content in <meta name="description"..> tag it show shows content of the page, from inside <body> tag.. why does it do this, when in fact I have <meta name="description"..> tag in all my pages.. Search engines are free to show you what they want. In the early days it would have been the url, page title and meta-description and I'm sure many search engines still use this combination. Of course this becomes a problem when you consider that not all pages provide a title or meta-description. I believe that Google will often use text from the page, either when it thinks (according to who knows what criteria) that the page from the text is more relevant or when the description is missing or does not appear relevant to the page. Personally, I'd still provide my own description for each page (whether google or others use it or not). HTH. hi, thank you for your response.. this SUCKS, it's not a good system at all if they use info from body of page if the page has a meta-description (after all, this is the main PURPOSE of meta-description tags, no??) it also bugs the hell out of me that there is no way to communicate directly with google about this, or anything else.. these folks make so much money doing what they do, the least they could is answer questions directly from folks who are affected by what they do... thanks again.. If the meta description is "Maine Coon Cat in Glendale" and the page content is "My Maine Coon, Rolo, is a beautiful female Maine Coon, with a tabby coat, and large feet. She is a loving cat, and comes to a whistle. I taught my cat to come to a whistle by whistling and then offering food when she came in." Now, say someone wants to know how to train their cat to come to a whistle. The word whistle is not in the description, but it is in the page content. The word whistle would appear in the SERPs, and send that user to my site. If it were just on description alone, they might not come. (By the way, anyone reading this message from a site that uses Usenet content, that IS the way I taught my cat to come to a whistle.) well, this is the deal.. I have a photo site, in meta-description it says something like "Photos of India, New York, Australia, Thailand".. but on the pages themselves, inside <body>, I have lots of numbers, corresponding to the photos, with the no. for the current photo highlighted (i.e., a different font-color..) so in the search- results, for the pages in my photo site, instead of the content in the meta-description tag I see something like: 1 2 3 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 13 14 15 16 17 18 20 21 22 23 24.. instead of what I put in the meta-description tag... does this make sense to you???? now the weird thing is, this happens only SOMETIMES, only for some of the pages (all the pages are coded exactly the same, the code is generated from back-end programming..) I think this is really weird... thank you for your response... URL? ok, search for "Frances Del Rio" on google, then click on "more results from www.francesdelrio.com" (all urls under francesdelrio.com/photoblog/ are coded exactly the same, yet under some of them it displays expected results, under other ones it doesn't... ) (some urls in results are old and I have redirects in them, only ones that matter are home page, /photoblog/ and /resume/...) thank you very much... It seems that javascript is necessary to use your site, and your links require javascript to work. That's not friendly for people or search engines. Look at [http://www.francesdelrio.com/photoblog/section2/page1/photos.jsp] with CSS disabled, and you will see why Google is doing what it is doing. ok, do you mean JavaScript or CSS? What I want to do is to disable BOTH javascript AND CSS. THAT is what Google and brethern see. they are too very different things.. so now you can't use JavaScript or CSS on your sites or else google's search-engine programs and algorithms go haywire?? CSS is fine - means nothing to Google. All Google wants is the content, and doesn't care what it looks like. Javascript is NOT fine, especially if it is used to construct links. Google does not have javascript enabled, so it cannot follow onclick links. sorry, this doesn't make any sense.. does this apply also to sites like amazon, CNN, The New York Times, etc?? Amazon, CNN, etc., don't use javascript links. They do things server side, not client side. If they do something client side, it's something to enhance the user's experience, and it not something vital, like navigation. do you think of any of them have JavaScript or CSS disabled so indexing on search-engines work for them??? You are getting confused. It is the user who disbles CSS or javascript, or just does not have it available. so you're saying that google's search engine only reads meta-description tags if CSS is disabled?? sorry, I don't get the logic or the rhyme or reason for this..... CSS has nothing to do with it. If you don't have Opera browser, go and download it, install it now, fire it up and then come back and read the rest of thie message. Go to the page I told you to go to before: [http://www.francesdelrio.com/photoblog/section2/page1/photos.jsp] Then click on View->Style->User Style. That disables CSS. See all the numbers? Put CSS back, your page is back. Now, for the javascript part. Click Tools->Quick Preferences and uncheck Enable Javascript. Now, refresh the page. What do you see? Nothing. That's not a good thing, and not very user friendly. Visitors with javascript disabled may not know to disable CSS in order to view your page. thank you for your response... I do appreciate you taking the time.... What I suggest you do is: 1. Make your links accessible 2. Put the picture navigation below the picture 3. Use something like photos.jsp?id=picid and only show one picture plus the thumbnails. Right now, you are loading ALL the pictures, plus the thumbnails, and that, my friend, is causing the page to be large and take a long time to load. Have a look at [http://mywonderyears.org/gallery.php] to see what I mean. If you look at [http://mywonderyears.org/general.php?pic=27#pic27] that's a picture of my son. thank you Adrienne.. yes, I know I need to do something to my photo site so photos don't load so slow.. (it's just that I don't like it when every time you load a new photo the whole page loads again, I really don't like that at all, that can also slow things down.. of course the way to do this so not all elements of the page reload everytime you load a new photo is to use frames, but everybody frowns on frames these days, so probably that's not an option.. |
but, it loads very quickly because not ALL the large images are loading,
as it is doing on your page. It's only loading what it needs.
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yes I need to make my entire site accessible (but I thought that making sure all elements are text would also do it.. I need to learn more about accessibility, it's on my to-do list.... |
there and never get done. Make an appointment to do the thing, and it
WILL get done. If you keep meaning to go to the doctor, you never will,
but once you call and make an appointment, you go.
Accessibility is so important, and not that difficult to make happen.
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is there a way to test for accessibility in W3C validators like you can validate your HTML and CSS code?? |
http://www.cynthiasays.com/ to do a very good job. That's an automated
thing, the best way to test for accessibility is to download and install
a speech browser, turn off your monitor, and see if you can still
navigate without being able to see.
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(however, none of this answers my question about the meta-description tags and search-engine results... does it... |
extractor.html]. It gives an insight into what search engines might see.
Again, look at the page with CSS disabled, and you will see why Google is
using the content it is. You need to use heading elements, good page
titles, etc.
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your son is cute!! |
Growing like a weed, and smart.
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thank you for your responses.. |
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Brian Cryer wrote: "maya" <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:HMidnWT-EeQMYabXnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com... Brian Cryer wrote: "maya" <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:vvidnT912sVzjKbXnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com... hi, in google search results (and in other engines too, I think), the first line corresponds to what's in <title> in web page right? the second line is supposed to be what you have in <meta name="description"..> tag.. however, sometimes in results for a page on my site instead of content in <meta name="description"..> tag it show shows content of the page, from inside <body> tag.. why does it do this, when in fact I have <meta name="description"..> tag in all my pages.. Search engines are free to show you what they want. In the early days it would have been the url, page title and meta-description and I'm sure many search engines still use this combination. Of course this becomes a problem when you consider that not all pages provide a title or meta-description. I believe that Google will often use text from the page, either when it thinks (according to who knows what criteria) that the page from the text is more relevant or when the description is missing or does not appear relevant to the page. Personally, I'd still provide my own description for each page (whether google or others use it or not). thank you for your response.. this SUCKS, it's not a good system at all if they use info from body of page if the page has a meta-description (after all, this is the main PURPOSE of meta-description tags, no??) But it does mean that search engines have the flexibility to return a description of your page that is tailored towards what someone is searching for. once again: if someone searches for my name, does it make sense for the search engine to return something like 1 2 3 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 13 14 15 16 17 18 20 21 22 23 24.. on one of my pages instead of what I have in meta-description tag?? not to me it doesn't.... |
results for the search engine to show the context of where your name appears
in the document?
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Brian Cryer
www.cryer.co.uk/brian
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"maya" <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:zsCdnQjnP-ROf6LXnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com... Brian Cryer wrote: "maya" <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:HMidnWT-EeQMYabXnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com... Brian Cryer wrote: "maya" <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:vvidnT912sVzjKbXnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com... hi, in google search results (and in other engines too, I think), the first line corresponds to what's in <title> in web page right? the second line is supposed to be what you have in <meta name="description"..> tag.. however, sometimes in results for a page on my site instead of content in <meta name="description".. tag it show shows content of the page, from inside <body> tag.. why does it do this, when in fact I have <meta name="description"..> tag in all my pages.. Search engines are free to show you what they want. In the early days it would have been the url, page title and meta-description and I'm sure many search engines still use this combination. Of course this becomes a problem when you consider that not all pages provide a title or meta-description. I believe that Google will often use text from the page, either when it thinks (according to who knows what criteria) that the page from the text is more relevant or when the description is missing or does not appear relevant to the page. Personally, I'd still provide my own description for each page (whether google or others use it or not). thank you for your response.. this SUCKS, it's not a good system at all if they use info from body of page if the page has a meta-description (after all, this is the main PURPOSE of meta-description tags, no??) But it does mean that search engines have the flexibility to return a description of your page that is tailored towards what someone is searching for. once again: if someone searches for my name, does it make sense for the search engine to return something like 1 2 3 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 13 14 15 16 17 18 20 21 22 23 24.. on one of my pages instead of what I have in meta-description tag?? not to me it doesn't.... But if someone is searching on your name then isn't it helpful in the search results for the search engine to show the context of where your name appears in the document? |
my name appears on every page, in the <title>...
I still don't understand why google doesn't show what's in
meta-description tag, it shouldn't decide for you that content in rest
of the page is what should show in results instead of what's in your
meta-description tag.. sorry, I'm not convinced...
I searched for my name again this morning, and in my home page, instead
of meta-description tag, it showed "your email has been sent. Thank you"
which is a hidden div for when email is sent.. sorry, nobody will ever
convince me this makes sense, I think this is just sloppy work (as in
sloppy sw-writing) on the part of search engines...
thank you for your response.
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Gazing into my crystal ball I observed maya <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writing in news:jpOdneQobJ9HqaDXnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com: Adrienne Boswell wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball I observed maya <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writing in news:icmdna9ovIJ8mKDXnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com: Adrienne Boswell wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball I observed maya <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writing in news:6oWdnXudPLse5qHXnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com: Adrienne Boswell wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball I observed maya maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> writing in news:HMidnWT-EeQMYabXnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com: Brian Cryer wrote: "maya" <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:vvidnT912sVzjKbXnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com... hi, in google search results (and in other engines too, I think), the first line corresponds to what's in <title> in web page right? the second line is supposed to be what you have in meta name="description"..> tag.. however, sometimes in results for a page on my site instead of content in <meta name="description"..> tag it show shows content of the page, from inside <body> tag.. why does it do this, when in fact I have <meta name="description"..> tag in all my pages.. Search engines are free to show you what they want. In the early days it would have been the url, page title and meta-description and I'm sure many search engines still use this combination. Of course this becomes a problem when you consider that not all pages provide a title or meta-description. I believe that Google will often use text from the page, either when it thinks (according to who knows what criteria) that the page from the text is more relevant or when the description is missing or does not appear relevant to the page. Personally, I'd still provide my own description for each page (whether google or others use it or not). HTH. hi, thank you for your response.. this SUCKS, it's not a good system at all if they use info from body of page if the page has a meta-description (after all, this is the main PURPOSE of meta-description tags, no??) it also bugs the hell out of me that there is no way to communicate directly with google about this, or anything else.. these folks make so much money doing what they do, the least they could is answer questions directly from folks who are affected by what they do... thanks again.. If the meta description is "Maine Coon Cat in Glendale" and the page content is "My Maine Coon, Rolo, is a beautiful female Maine Coon, with a tabby coat, and large feet. She is a loving cat, and comes to a whistle. I taught my cat to come to a whistle by whistling and then offering food when she came in." Now, say someone wants to know how to train their cat to come to a whistle. The word whistle is not in the description, but it is in the page content. The word whistle would appear in the SERPs, and send that user to my site. If it were just on description alone, they might not come. (By the way, anyone reading this message from a site that uses Usenet content, that IS the way I taught my cat to come to a whistle.) well, this is the deal.. I have a photo site, in meta-description it says something like "Photos of India, New York, Australia, Thailand".. but on the pages themselves, inside <body>, I have lots of numbers, corresponding to the photos, with the no. for the current photo highlighted (i.e., a different font-color..) so in the search- results, for the pages in my photo site, instead of the content in the meta-description tag I see something like: 1 2 3 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 13 14 15 16 17 18 20 21 22 23 24.. instead of what I put in the meta-description tag... does this make sense to you???? now the weird thing is, this happens only SOMETIMES, only for some of the pages (all the pages are coded exactly the same, the code is generated from back-end programming..) I think this is really weird... thank you for your response... URL? ok, search for "Frances Del Rio" on google, then click on "more results from www.francesdelrio.com" (all urls under francesdelrio.com/photoblog/ are coded exactly the same, yet under some of them it displays expected results, under other ones it doesn't... ) (some urls in results are old and I have redirects in them, only ones that matter are home page, /photoblog/ and /resume/...) thank you very much... It seems that javascript is necessary to use your site, and your links require javascript to work. That's not friendly for people or search engines. Look at [http://www.francesdelrio.com/photoblog/section2/page1/photos.jsp] with CSS disabled, and you will see why Google is doing what it is doing. ok, do you mean JavaScript or CSS? What I want to do is to disable BOTH javascript AND CSS. THAT is what Google and brethern see. they are too very different things.. so now you can't use JavaScript or CSS on your sites or else google's search-engine programs and algorithms go haywire?? CSS is fine - means nothing to Google. All Google wants is the content, and doesn't care what it looks like. Javascript is NOT fine, especially if it is used to construct links. Google does not have javascript enabled, so it cannot follow onclick links. sorry, this doesn't make any sense.. does this apply also to sites like amazon, CNN, The New York Times, etc?? Amazon, CNN, etc., don't use javascript links. They do things server side, not client side. If they do something client side, it's something to enhance the user's experience, and it not something vital, like navigation. do you think of any of them have JavaScript or CSS disabled so indexing on search-engines work for them??? You are getting confused. It is the user who disbles CSS or javascript, or just does not have it available. so you're saying that google's search engine only reads meta-description tags if CSS is disabled?? sorry, I don't get the logic or the rhyme or reason for this..... CSS has nothing to do with it. If you don't have Opera browser, go and download it, install it now, fire it up and then come back and read the rest of thie message. Go to the page I told you to go to before: [http://www.francesdelrio.com/photoblog/section2/page1/photos.jsp] Then click on View->Style->User Style. That disables CSS. See all the numbers? Put CSS back, your page is back. Now, for the javascript part. Click Tools->Quick Preferences and uncheck Enable Javascript. Now, refresh the page. What do you see? Nothing. That's not a good thing, and not very user friendly. Visitors with javascript disabled may not know to disable CSS in order to view your page. thank you for your response... I do appreciate you taking the time.... What I suggest you do is: 1. Make your links accessible 2. Put the picture navigation below the picture 3. Use something like photos.jsp?id=picid and only show one picture plus the thumbnails. Right now, you are loading ALL the pictures, plus the thumbnails, and that, my friend, is causing the page to be large and take a long time to load. Have a look at [http://mywonderyears.org/gallery.php] to see what I mean. If you look at [http://mywonderyears.org/general.php?pic=27#pic27] that's a picture of my son. |
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switch from photo to photo is a bit slow now, that not all photos are
loaded in same pg.. but well, it's the lesser of two evils I suppose....
thanks for your suggestion.. I had been meaning to try this for a while
but hadn't gotten around to it.. (I wonder if it'll make any difference
with my search-engine problem though, probably not...
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Adrienne Boswell wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball I observed maya <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writing in news:jpOdneQobJ9HqaDXnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com: Adrienne Boswell wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball I observed maya <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writing in news:icmdna9ovIJ8mKDXnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com: Adrienne Boswell wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball I observed maya maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> writing in news:6oWdnXudPLse5qHXnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com: Adrienne Boswell wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball I observed maya maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> writing in news:HMidnWT-EeQMYabXnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com: Brian Cryer wrote: "maya" <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:vvidnT912sVzjKbXnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com... hi, in google search results (and in other engines too, I think), the first line corresponds to what's in <title> in web page right? the second line is supposed to be what you have in <meta name="description"..> tag.. however, sometimes in results for a page on my site instead of content in <meta name="description"..> tag it show shows content of the page, from inside <body> tag.. why does it do this, when in fact I have <meta name="description"..> tag in all my pages.. Search engines are free to show you what they want. In the early days it would have been the url, page title and meta-description and I'm sure many search engines still use this combination. Of course this becomes a problem when you consider that not all pages provide a title or meta-description. I believe that Google will often use text from the page, either when it thinks (according to who knows what criteria) that the page from the text is more relevant or when the description is missing or does not appear relevant to the page. Personally, I'd still provide my own description for each page (whether google or others use it or not). HTH. hi, thank you for your response.. this SUCKS, it's not a good system at all if they use info from body of page if the page has a meta-description (after all, this is the main PURPOSE of meta-description tags, no??) it also bugs the hell out of me that there is no way to communicate directly with google about this, or anything else.. these folks make so much money doing what they do, the least they could is answer questions directly from folks who are affected by what they do... thanks again.. If the meta description is "Maine Coon Cat in Glendale" and the page content is "My Maine Coon, Rolo, is a beautiful female Maine Coon, with a tabby coat, and large feet. She is a loving cat, and comes to a whistle. I taught my cat to come to a whistle by whistling and then offering food when she came in." Now, say someone wants to know how to train their cat to come to a whistle. The word whistle is not in the description, but it is in the page content. The word whistle would appear in the SERPs, and send that user to my site. If it were just on description alone, they might not come. (By the way, anyone reading this message from a site that uses Usenet content, that IS the way I taught my cat to come to a whistle.) well, this is the deal.. I have a photo site, in meta-description it says something like "Photos of India, New York, Australia, Thailand".. but on the pages themselves, inside <body>, I have lots of numbers, corresponding to the photos, with the no. for the current photo highlighted (i.e., a different font-color..) so in the search- results, for the pages in my photo site, instead of the content in the meta-description tag I see something like: 1 2 3 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 13 14 15 16 17 18 20 21 22 23 24.. instead of what I put in the meta-description tag... does this make sense to you???? now the weird thing is, this happens only SOMETIMES, only for some of the pages (all the pages are coded exactly the same, the code is generated from back-end programming..) I think this is really weird... thank you for your response... URL? ok, search for "Frances Del Rio" on google, then click on "more results from www.francesdelrio.com" (all urls under francesdelrio.com/photoblog/ are coded exactly the same, yet under some of them it displays expected results, under other ones it doesn't... ) (some urls in results are old and I have redirects in them, only ones that matter are home page, /photoblog/ and /resume/...) thank you very much... It seems that javascript is necessary to use your site, and your links require javascript to work. That's not friendly for people or search engines. Look at [http://www.francesdelrio.com/photoblog/section2/page1/photos.jsp] with CSS disabled, and you will see why Google is doing what it is doing. ok, do you mean JavaScript or CSS? What I want to do is to disable BOTH javascript AND CSS. THAT is what Google and brethern see. they are too very different things.. so now you can't use JavaScript or CSS on your sites or else google's search-engine programs and algorithms go haywire?? CSS is fine - means nothing to Google. All Google wants is the content, and doesn't care what it looks like. Javascript is NOT fine, especially if it is used to construct links. Google does not have javascript enabled, so it cannot follow onclick links. sorry, this doesn't make any sense.. does this apply also to sites like amazon, CNN, The New York Times, etc?? Amazon, CNN, etc., don't use javascript links. They do things server side, not client side. If they do something client side, it's something to enhance the user's experience, and it not something vital, like navigation. do you think of any of them have JavaScript or CSS disabled so indexing on search-engines work for them??? You are getting confused. It is the user who disbles CSS or javascript, or just does not have it available. so you're saying that google's search engine only reads meta-description tags if CSS is disabled?? sorry, I don't get the logic or the rhyme or reason for this..... CSS has nothing to do with it. If you don't have Opera browser, go and download it, install it now, fire it up and then come back and read the rest of thie message. Go to the page I told you to go to before: [http://www.francesdelrio.com/photoblog/section2/page1/photos.jsp] Then click on View->Style->User Style. That disables CSS. See all the numbers? Put CSS back, your page is back. Now, for the javascript part. Click Tools->Quick Preferences and uncheck Enable Javascript. Now, refresh the page. What do you see? Nothing. That's not a good thing, and not very user friendly. Visitors with javascript disabled may not know to disable CSS in order to view your page. thank you for your response... I do appreciate you taking the time.... What I suggest you do is: 1. Make your links accessible 2. Put the picture navigation below the picture 3. Use something like photos.jsp?id=picid and only show one picture plus the thumbnails. Right now, you are loading ALL the pictures, plus the thumbnails, and that, my friend, is causing the page to be large and take a long time to load. Have a look at [http://mywonderyears.org/gallery.php] to see what I mean. If you look at [http://mywonderyears.org/general.php?pic=27#pic27] that's a picture of my son. ok, is this better??? http://www.francesdelrio.com/photoblog-pp/section3/page1/photos.jsp?pn= 7 switch from photo to photo is a bit slow now, that not all photos are loaded in same pg.. but well, it's the lesser of two evils I suppose.... thanks for your suggestion.. I had been meaning to try this for a while but hadn't gotten around to it.. (I wonder if it'll make any difference with my search-engine problem though, probably not... thanks again.. |
changed the title element.
On the page you gave as an example, you could take the title of the
picture and add it to the title element, eg:
<title>New Jersey - Frances Del Rio - Photoblog</title>
Since you are doing this all server side anyway, grabbing the photo's
description and adding it to the title element and meta description
should not be a problem.
You could also do something like:
<h1>New Jersey</h1>
<div id="nav">
.....
</div>
<div>
<img src="whatever" ...>
<br>
New Jersey
</div>
You could even hide the h1 element by positioning it off the screen or
something.
I think what you have done so far is very good. Keep up the good work!
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Adrienne Boswell at Home
Arbpen Web Site Design Services
http://www.cavalcade-of-coding.info
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Gazing into my crystal ball I observed maya <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writing in news:8MOdnQHDpJ4EQNXXnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com: Adrienne Boswell wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball I observed maya <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writing in news:jpOdneQobJ9HqaDXnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com: Adrienne Boswell wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball I observed maya <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writing in news:icmdna9ovIJ8mKDXnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com: Adrienne Boswell wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball I observed maya maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> writing in news:6oWdnXudPLse5qHXnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com: Adrienne Boswell wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball I observed maya maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> writing in news:HMidnWT-EeQMYabXnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com: Brian Cryer wrote: "maya" <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:vvidnT912sVzjKbXnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com... hi, in google search results (and in other engines too, I think), the first line corresponds to what's in <title> in web page right? the second line is supposed to be what you have in <meta name="description"..> tag.. however, sometimes in results for a page on my site instead of content in <meta name="description"..> tag it show shows content of the page, from inside <body> tag.. why does it do this, when in fact I have <meta name="description"..> tag in all my pages.. Search engines are free to show you what they want. In the early days it would have been the url, page title and meta-description and I'm sure many search engines still use this combination. Of course this becomes a problem when you consider that not all pages provide a title or meta-description. I believe that Google will often use text from the page, either when it thinks (according to who knows what criteria) that the page from the text is more relevant or when the description is missing or does not appear relevant to the page. Personally, I'd still provide my own description for each page (whether google or others use it or not). HTH. hi, thank you for your response.. this SUCKS, it's not a good system at all if they use info from body of page if the page has a meta-description (after all, this is the main PURPOSE of meta-description tags, no??) it also bugs the hell out of me that there is no way to communicate directly with google about this, or anything else.. these folks make so much money doing what they do, the least they could is answer questions directly from folks who are affected by what they do... thanks again.. If the meta description is "Maine Coon Cat in Glendale" and the page content is "My Maine Coon, Rolo, is a beautiful female Maine Coon, with a tabby coat, and large feet. She is a loving cat, and comes to a whistle. I taught my cat to come to a whistle by whistling and then offering food when she came in." Now, say someone wants to know how to train their cat to come to a whistle. The word whistle is not in the description, but it is in the page content. The word whistle would appear in the SERPs, and send that user to my site. If it were just on description alone, they might not come. (By the way, anyone reading this message from a site that uses Usenet content, that IS the way I taught my cat to come to a whistle.) well, this is the deal.. I have a photo site, in meta-description it says something like "Photos of India, New York, Australia, Thailand".. but on the pages themselves, inside <body>, I have lots of numbers, corresponding to the photos, with the no. for the current photo highlighted (i.e., a different font-color..) so in the search- results, for the pages in my photo site, instead of the content in the meta-description tag I see something like: 1 2 3 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 13 14 15 16 17 18 20 21 22 23 24.. instead of what I put in the meta-description tag... does this make sense to you???? now the weird thing is, this happens only SOMETIMES, only for some of the pages (all the pages are coded exactly the same, the code is generated from back-end programming..) I think this is really weird... thank you for your response... URL? ok, search for "Frances Del Rio" on google, then click on "more results from www.francesdelrio.com" (all urls under francesdelrio.com/photoblog/ are coded exactly the same, yet under some of them it displays expected results, under other ones it doesn't... ) (some urls in results are old and I have redirects in them, only ones that matter are home page, /photoblog/ and /resume/...) thank you very much... It seems that javascript is necessary to use your site, and your links require javascript to work. That's not friendly for people or search engines. Look at [http://www.francesdelrio.com/photoblog/section2/page1/photos.jsp] with CSS disabled, and you will see why Google is doing what it is doing. ok, do you mean JavaScript or CSS? What I want to do is to disable BOTH javascript AND CSS. THAT is what Google and brethern see. they are too very different things.. so now you can't use JavaScript or CSS on your sites or else google's search-engine programs and algorithms go haywire?? CSS is fine - means nothing to Google. All Google wants is the content, and doesn't care what it looks like. Javascript is NOT fine, especially if it is used to construct links. Google does not have javascript enabled, so it cannot follow onclick links. sorry, this doesn't make any sense.. does this apply also to sites like amazon, CNN, The New York Times, etc?? Amazon, CNN, etc., don't use javascript links. They do things server side, not client side. If they do something client side, it's something to enhance the user's experience, and it not something vital, like navigation. do you think of any of them have JavaScript or CSS disabled so indexing on search-engines work for them??? You are getting confused. It is the user who disbles CSS or javascript, or just does not have it available. so you're saying that google's search engine only reads meta-description tags if CSS is disabled?? sorry, I don't get the logic or the rhyme or reason for this..... CSS has nothing to do with it. If you don't have Opera browser, go and download it, install it now, fire it up and then come back and read the rest of thie message. Go to the page I told you to go to before: [http://www.francesdelrio.com/photoblog/section2/page1/photos.jsp] Then click on View->Style->User Style. That disables CSS. See all the numbers? Put CSS back, your page is back. Now, for the javascript part. Click Tools->Quick Preferences and uncheck Enable Javascript. Now, refresh the page. What do you see? Nothing. That's not a good thing, and not very user friendly. Visitors with javascript disabled may not know to disable CSS in order to view your page. thank you for your response... I do appreciate you taking the time.... What I suggest you do is: 1. Make your links accessible 2. Put the picture navigation below the picture 3. Use something like photos.jsp?id=picid and only show one picture plus the thumbnails. Right now, you are loading ALL the pictures, plus the thumbnails, and that, my friend, is causing the page to be large and take a long time to load. Have a look at [http://mywonderyears.org/gallery.php] to see what I mean. If you look at [http://mywonderyears.org/general.php?pic=27#pic27] that's a picture of my son. ok, is this better??? http://www.francesdelrio.com/photoblog-pp/section3/page1/photos.jsp?pn= 7 switch from photo to photo is a bit slow now, that not all photos are loaded in same pg.. but well, it's the lesser of two evils I suppose.... thanks for your suggestion.. I had been meaning to try this for a while but hadn't gotten around to it.. (I wonder if it'll make any difference with my search-engine problem though, probably not... thanks again.. You still have the 1,2,3... etc at the top of the page. You have not changed the title element. |
I have to remove those b/c of the search engine? oh brother.. I do
like those...
but the title you're right, I forgot... yes, I'm doing server-side, so
the stuff you mention IS easy.. some things am still still doing
client-side, maybe will change since so many people (mainly here in
usenet) complain about how many users turn JS off....
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Adrienne Boswell wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball I observed maya <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writing in news:8MOdnQHDpJ4EQNXXnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com: Adrienne Boswell wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball I observed maya <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writing in news:jpOdneQobJ9HqaDXnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com: Adrienne Boswell wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball I observed maya <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com writing in news:icmdna9ovIJ8mKDXnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com: Adrienne Boswell wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball I observed maya maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> writing in news:6oWdnXudPLse5qHXnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com: Adrienne Boswell wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball I observed maya maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> writing in news:HMidnWT-EeQMYabXnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com: Brian Cryer wrote: "maya" <maya778899 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:vvidnT912sVzjKbXnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com... hi, in google search results (and in other engines too, I think), the first line corresponds to what's in <title> in web page right? the second line is supposed to be what you have in <meta name="description"..> tag.. however, sometimes in results for a page on my site instead of content in meta name="description"..> tag it show shows content of the page, from inside <body> tag.. why does it do this, when in fact I have <meta name="description"..> tag in all my pages.. Search engines are free to show you what they want. In the early days it would have been the url, page title and meta-description and I'm sure many search engines still use this combination. Of course this becomes a problem when you consider that not all pages provide a title or meta-description. I believe that Google will often use text from the page, either when it thinks (according to who knows what criteria) that the page from the text is more relevant or when the description is missing or does not appear relevant to the page. Personally, I'd still provide my own description for each page (whether google or others use it or not). HTH. hi, thank you for your response.. this SUCKS, it's not a good system at all if they use info from body of page if the page has a meta-description (after all, this is the main PURPOSE of meta-description tags, no??) it also bugs the hell out of me that there is no way to communicate directly with google about this, or anything else.. these folks make so much money doing what they do, the least they could is answer questions directly from folks who are affected by what they do... thanks again.. If the meta description is "Maine Coon Cat in Glendale" and the page content is "My Maine Coon, Rolo, is a beautiful female Maine Coon, with a tabby coat, and large feet. She is a loving cat, and comes to a whistle. I taught my cat to come to a whistle by whistling and then offering food when she came in." Now, say someone wants to know how to train their cat to come to a whistle. The word whistle is not in the description, but it is in the page content. The word whistle would appear in the SERPs, and send that user to my site. If it were just on description alone, they might not come. (By the way, anyone reading this message from a site that uses Usenet content, that IS the way I taught my cat to come to a whistle.) well, this is the deal.. I have a photo site, in meta-description it says something like "Photos of India, New York, Australia, Thailand".. but on the pages themselves, inside <body>, I have lots of numbers, corresponding to the photos, with the no. for the current photo highlighted (i.e., a different font-color..) so in the search- results, for the pages in my photo site, instead of the content in the meta-description tag I see something like: 1 2 3 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 13 14 15 16 17 18 20 21 22 23 24.. instead of what I put in the meta-description tag... does this make sense to you???? now the weird thing is, this happens only SOMETIMES, only for some of the pages (all the pages are coded exactly the same, the code is generated from back-end programming..) I think this is really weird... thank you for your response... URL? ok, search for "Frances Del Rio" on google, then click on "more results from www.francesdelrio.com" (all urls under francesdelrio.com/photoblog/ are coded exactly the same, yet under some of them it displays expected results, under other ones it doesn't... ) (some urls in results are old and I have redirects in them, only ones that matter are home page, /photoblog/ and /resume/...) thank you very much... It seems that javascript is necessary to use your site, and your links require javascript to work. That's not friendly for people or search engines. Look at [http://www.francesdelrio.com/photoblog/section2/page1/photos.jsp] with CSS disabled, and you will see why Google is doing what it is doing. ok, do you mean JavaScript or CSS? What I want to do is to disable BOTH javascript AND CSS. THAT is what Google and brethern see. they are too very different things.. so now you can't use JavaScript or CSS on your sites or else google's search-engine programs and algorithms go haywire?? CSS is fine - means nothing to Google. All Google wants is the content, and doesn't care what it looks like. Javascript is NOT fine, especially if it is used to construct links. Google does not have javascript enabled, so it cannot follow onclick links. sorry, this doesn't make any sense.. does this apply also to sites like amazon, CNN, The New York Times, etc?? Amazon, CNN, etc., don't use javascript links. They do things server side, not client side. If they do something client side, it's something to enhance the user's experience, and it not something vital, like navigation. do you think of any of them have JavaScript or CSS disabled so indexing on search-engines work for them??? You are getting confused. It is the user who disbles CSS or javascript, or just does not have it available. so you're saying that google's search engine only reads meta-description tags if CSS is disabled?? sorry, I don't get the logic or the rhyme or reason for this..... CSS has nothing to do with it. If you don't have Opera browser, go and download it, install it now, fire it up and then come back and read the rest of thie message. Go to the page I told you to go to before: [http://www.francesdelrio.com/photoblog/section2/page1/photos.jsp] Then click on View->Style->User Style. That disables CSS. See all the numbers? Put CSS back, your page is back. Now, for the javascript part. Click Tools->Quick Preferences and uncheck Enable Javascript. Now, refresh the page. What do you see? Nothing. That's not a good thing, and not very user friendly. Visitors with javascript disabled may not know to disable CSS in order to view your page. thank you for your response... I do appreciate you taking the time.... What I suggest you do is: 1. Make your links accessible 2. Put the picture navigation below the picture 3. Use something like photos.jsp?id=picid and only show one picture plus the thumbnails. Right now, you are loading ALL the pictures, plus the thumbnails, and that, my friend, is causing the page to be large and take a long time to load. Have a look at [http://mywonderyears.org/gallery.php] to see what I mean. If you look at [http://mywonderyears.org/general.php?pic=27#pic27] that's a picture of my son. ok, is this better??? http://www.francesdelrio.com/photoblog-pp/section3/page1/photos.jsp? pn= 7 switch from photo to photo is a bit slow now, that not all photos are loaded in same pg.. but well, it's the lesser of two evils I suppose.... thanks for your suggestion.. I had been meaning to try this for a while but hadn't gotten around to it.. (I wonder if it'll make any difference with my search-engine problem though, probably not... thanks again.. You still have the 1,2,3... etc at the top of the page. You have not changed the title element. well, I WANT the 1,2,3 to remain... what is wrong with those (you mean I have to remove those b/c of the search engine? oh brother.. I do like those... |
You can keep the 1,2,3... just put an h1 element before it, eg:
<title>Jersey City Public Library</title>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Jersey City Public Library</h1>
<?php include "nav_inc.php";?>
You're not really using a good construct for your 1, 2, 3 menu. This:
<a href="photos.jsp?pn=1" id="bulletsTN1" class="bullets">1</a>
<a href="photos.jsp?pn=2" id="bulletsTN2" class="bullets">2</a>
<a href="photos.jsp?pn=3" id="bulletsTN3" class="bullets">3</a>
is not a good idea. It's a list, so use list markup (my example is using
PHP):
<ul id="bullets">
<?php for($i=0;$i=<count($picsarray);++$i)
{
?>
<li><a href="photos.jsp?pn=<?php echo $i; ?>" <?php if($_GET['pn']==$i)
{echo "class='thispage';}><?php echo $i; ?></a></li>
<?php } ?>
</ul>
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but the title you're right, I forgot... yes, I'm doing server-side, so the stuff you mention IS easy.. some things am still still doing client-side, maybe will change since so many people (mainly here in usenet) complain about how many users turn JS off.... |
js do now. Use elements wisely, for example:
ul#bullets {list-style-type:none;}
ul#bullets li {display:inline; padding:0 .5em 0 .5em}
ul#bullets li a.thispage {color:#fff}
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...... I think what you have done so far is very good. Keep up the good work! thank you!! and thank you for your help.... |
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