Redirecting to please search engines

Most of our websites are written in PHP with a MySQL back end.
Simplified, every page is stored as a record in the database and
templates are used for display of content. This means that there is
always a /home or /welcome record which acts as the home page for the
website. In the past I have always just done a straight header redirect
to send visitors (and search engines) to /home whenever they have not
specified a page.

Few of our websites get good search engine rankings quickly, the few who
are on the first page of results for their keywords have to build up a
lot of links and it generally takes a year or more to get to page 2/3.

I know that Search Engine Optimisation is a complex and time consuming
task, but I wonder if this redirect could be a hindrance - should we be
doing a 301 moved permanently redirect? We use this type of redirect
(set in the .htaccess file, though we could do it in the PHP) to
redirect from domain.com to www.domain.com, but is a 301 also
appropriate to redirect to the home page when none has been specified?

Your views and advice would be welcome.

Marc

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Marc Bradshaw
BEA Solutions Ltd.

Portsmouth, UK

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Marc Bradshaw
<mbradshaw (AT) beasolutions (DOT) com> writing in news:1242935431.6447.0
@proxy00.news.clara.net:

Most of our websites are written in PHP with a MySQL back end.
Simplified, every page is stored as a record in the database and
templates are used for display of content. This means that there is
always a /home or /welcome record which acts as the home page for the
website. In the past I have always just done a straight header
redirect
to send visitors (and search engines) to /home whenever they have not
specified a page.

Few of our websites get good search engine rankings quickly, the few
who
are on the first page of results for their keywords have to build up a
lot of links and it generally takes a year or more to get to page 2/3.

I know that Search Engine Optimisation is a complex and time consuming
task, but I wonder if this redirect could be a hindrance - should we be
doing a 301 moved permanently redirect? We use this type of redirect
(set in the .htaccess file, though we could do it in the PHP) to
redirect from domain.com to www.domain.com, but is a 301 also
appropriate to redirect to the home page when none has been specified?

Your views and advice would be welcome.

Marc

It would have been nice if you had given us a URL, but I checked
[http://www.beasolutions.com/]. I ran it through the validator, with
show Outline selected, and this was the result:
<quote>
Below is an outline for this document, automatically generated from the
heading tags (<h1> through <h6>.)
[h1] Welcome to BEA Solutions!
[h1] Information
[h1] Computer Repairs
[h1] Internet Services
[h1] Website Design
[h1] Business Services
[h1] The BEA Story
[h2] Latest News
[h2] Computer Repairs
[h2] Website Design
[h2] Quick Contact


If this does not look like a real outline, it is likely that the heading
tags are not being used properly. (Headings should reflect the logical
structure of the document; they should not be used simply to add
emphasis, or to change the font size.)
</quote>

Now, if I were a SE bot, I might be a little confused with all those H1s.
There should only be one first level heading, and ideally, sub heading
levels should be in order, so:
[h1] XYZ Vet Services in Some Town
[h2] We Love Dogs
[h3] Our Services for Dogs
[h2] We Love Cats
[h3] Our Services for Cats

What you have there is more like navigation.

Additionally, I would only redirect if you have to, like if someone fails
a login attempt or something. I only redirect if I HAVE to; in the case
where a page has actually been permanently moved, and then I do use a
301.

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Hi Adrienne,

Thanks for your reply.

Adrienne Boswell wrote:

It would have been nice if you had given us a URL, but I checked
[http://www.beasolutions.com/]. I ran it through the validator, with
show Outline selected, and this was the result:

Yeah, our own website is currently being reviewed, I recognise there are
many issues with it which need to be solved. A good example, though
most of my websites (including beasolutions.com) run on fairly similar
CMS code, is spafix.co.uk.

Additionally, I would only redirect if you have to, like if someone fails
a login attempt or something. I only redirect if I HAVE to; in the case
where a page has actually been permanently moved, and then I do use a
301.

For Spafix we did a 301 because they relaunched their website as
spafix.co.uk, replacing the old spafixservices.co.uk.

How do you suggest we handle the issue of showing the home page? Would
you just show it at the root URL rather than redirecting to /home or
/welcome? Perhaps that is a better idea?

Marc

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Marc Bradshaw
BEA Solutions Ltd.

Portsmouth, UK (though currently in Souillac, near Bordeaux, France)

I know that Search Engine Optimisation is a complex and time consuming
task, but I wonder if this redirect could be a hindrance - should we be
doing a 301 moved permanently redirect? We use this type of redirect (set
in the .htaccess file, though we could do it in the PHP) to redirect from
domain.com to www.domain.com, but is a 301 also appropriate to redirect to
the home page when none has been specified?

Your views and advice would be welcome.
Marc Bradshaw
BEA Solutions Ltd.

Portsmouth, UK
Marc

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Marc,

Just two main points that could make a big difference from me.

Firstly, whilst from a design perspective, your top right text box which
gives you help on the menu link you hover over, is really good, but the html
shows identical text all the way down to line 125. This probably will incur
a penalty for duplicate content. Just by varying the wording of the same box
on separate pages, will help you out. Change the words (use a thesaurus),
and the order they run whilst mainaining the same meaning. If you can
include a long tail key phrase for that particular page, so much the better.

Secondly, put different meta tags in for each page. A unique well worded
meta description on each will help google's description, and whilst meta
keywords won't necessarily affect google, they may help the duplicate
content issue, and assist some other search engines.

Oh, and posting a URL in your sig may help too ;-)

HTH
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Rich
http://www.richdavies.com/tomtom.htm
http://www.lpeye.com/CCTV.htm
http://www.mysatnav.info/tomtom-voices.htm

"Marc Bradshaw" <mbradshaw (AT) beasolutions (DOT) com> wrote ...

I know that Search Engine Optimisation is a complex and time consuming
task, but I wonder if this redirect could be a hindrance - should we be
doing a 301 moved permanently redirect? We use this type of redirect (set
in the .htaccess file, though we could do it in the PHP) to redirect from
domain.com to www.domain.com, but is a 301 also appropriate to redirect to
the home page when none has been specified?

On page SEO really is not complex or time consuming; most of it is either
common sense, good practice or both, and if you build the site on that
basis, then you will have done most of the onsite SEO with no extra effort
at all. A good friend of mine reduces it to a simple mathematical formula:

Design = SEO = Design

Though it's sometimes more useful to think along the lines of Bad Design =
Bad SEO = Bad Design.

And that's design in the widest sense; not just pretty pictures, but layout,
use of code, and your rules of content usage.

Redirecting from domain.com to www.domain.com, using a 301 is both, as it
recognises that search engines look for URLs, not pages, and so reducing
multiple URLs has to be a wise move.

Redirecting to the home page is very wrong; domain.com (or www.domain.com)
is your most powerful URL; so use it. If every internal link to the home
page is a link to www.domain.com, they you shouldn't have a problem. Unlesss
you requested otherwise, incoming links would mostly be to that URL anyway,
and browsers will always find that URL provided the file is appropriately
named (ONE index file, called index.php or index.html or index.htm ... etc).

Placing the home page anywhere else is counter intuitive, confusing to SEs,
potential linkers, and even to visitors planning to bookmark. It's a common
sense issue that is Good SEO too.
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Andrew
sick-site-syndrome.com

"When 'Do no Evil' has been understood, then learn the harder, braver rule,
Do Good." ~ Arthur Guiterman