some pages have a pr with no seo effort

a friend of mine 3 month ago build a little site of apartments
around the world: www.citiesholiday.com .

I explain to him the basic seo optimization and the links issue.
He did the site, create some links ( no link from yahoo or important
directories),
and in the last google PR update he had 4 in the home page and
ALL the rest of the site pages had 4 or 3 or 2.

i cannot understand how he could achive the result of 4
and why all the rest of the pages had 4 or 3 even if there are no link in
the web
that goes to those pages.

am i missing something really easy to understand maybe ??
thanks
Sambo

On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:55:30 +0100, "Sambo" <goldrake80 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

a friend of mine 3 month ago build a little site of apartments
around the world: www.citiesholiday.com .

I explain to him the basic seo optimization and the links issue.
He did the site, create some links ( no link from yahoo or important
directories),

That's all that is needed to get indexed: some links.

and in the last google PR update he had 4 in the home page and
ALL the rest of the site pages had 4 or 3 or 2.

i cannot understand how he could achive the result of 4
and why all the rest of the pages had 4 or 3 even if there are no link in
the web
that goes to those pages.

If he has just one link to his main page - he can earn PR for that
main page. The PR will then start flowing his site to the inner pages.


I imagine the PR2 pages are not linked from his main page but from one
of the other inner pages?

Carol

yes Carol, that's right, he has pr 2 to the pages that
are not linked to the main one.

But what i would like to say is:
the inner pages that are linked directly to the main one
will always benefit of a PR if the main page has a PR ?

thanks


"C.W." <from_you (AT) nomail (DOT) com> wrote

On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:55:30 +0100, "Sambo" <goldrake80 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com
wrote:

a friend of mine 3 month ago build a little site of apartments
around the world: www.citiesholiday.com .

I explain to him the basic seo optimization and the links issue.
He did the site, create some links ( no link from yahoo or important
directories),

That's all that is needed to get indexed: some links.

and in the last google PR update he had 4 in the home page and
ALL the rest of the site pages had 4 or 3 or 2.

i cannot understand how he could achive the result of 4
and why all the rest of the pages had 4 or 3 even if there are no link in
the web
that goes to those pages.

If he has just one link to his main page - he can earn PR for that
main page. The PR will then start flowing his site to the inner pages.


I imagine the PR2 pages are not linked from his main page but from one
of the other inner pages?

Carol

On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 18:15:50 +0100, "Sambo" <goldrake80 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

yes Carol, that's right, he has pr 2 to the pages that
are not linked to the main one.

Would happen if he had those pages in a subdirectory also - seems
those drop one level in PR just like pages linked from an inner page
also risk being one notch lower than the page they are linked from.

But what i would like to say is:
the inner pages that are linked directly to the main one
will always benefit of a PR if the main page has a PR ?

PR _should_ flow through a site, unless the linking of the site's
pages impairs that flow. Any page in his site that gets a link - the
pages linked from that page could benefit from the PR of that one
page.

Depends on the site structure/layout and how he works out the linking
of those pages on how PR will flow and then the PR of the pages that
share a link to his way is also a consideration along with how that
other site shares a link his way: # of links per page, sharing the
link through javascript, et al.

Carol

Sambo wrote:

a friend of mine 3 month ago build a little site of apartments
around the world: www.citiesholiday.com .

I explain to him the basic seo optimization and the links issue.
He did the site, create some links ( no link from yahoo or important
directories),
and in the last google PR update he had 4 in the home page and
ALL the rest of the site pages had 4 or 3 or 2.

uh huh, well the little green toolbar doesn't mean a great deal to be
honest. Does your friend get anyone visting his site and does he rank in
the top 10 of SE results for his target keywords?

I checked the following keywords

Appartamenti Toscana
Appartamenti Barcellona and Barcelona Apartments
Appartamenti San Pietroburgo and St. Petersburg Apartments
Appartamenti Budapest and Budapest Apartments

and the site wasn't in the top 20 in Google. I didn't check Cities
Holiday because it is not good English so I doubt anyone searches on
this team.

The site is far from SE friendly. The banner text is an image with no
ALT text or link. It is the usual table driven layout which means little
content and lots of code.

am i missing something really easy to understand maybe ??

Yes stop focussing on what the Google toolbar tells you and focus on
buliding traffic.

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:46:34 GMT, from_you (AT) nomail (DOT) com (C.W.) wrote:

Would happen if he had those pages in a subdirectory also - seems
those drop one level in PR just like pages linked from an inner page
also risk being one notch lower than the page they are linked from.

You aren't saying having a page in a subdirectory one level down means
PR drops by 1 point because it's in a subdirectory?

That's a very old myth and easily shown to be false since it's easy to
create a subdirectory with higher PR than the root.

David
--
http://www.search-engine-optimization-services.co.uk/

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 03:07:44 GMT, SEO Dave
<seo-daveSP (AT) AMsearch-engine-optimization-services (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:46:34 GMT, from_you (AT) nomail (DOT) com (C.W.) wrote:

Would happen if he had those pages in a subdirectory also - seems
those drop one level in PR just like pages linked from an inner page
also risk being one notch lower than the page they are linked from.

You aren't saying having a page in a subdirectory one level down means
PR drops by 1 point because it's in a subdirectory?

It can happen. At least I have seen sites where the subdirectory's
pages were one point lower than the page the subdirectory was linked
to from.

That's a very old myth and easily shown to be false since it's easy to
create a subdirectory with higher PR than the root.

Through a linking strategy?

Carol

Thanks for the help.
I think to have a better idea now of what i can do.
Sambo

"C.W." <from_you (AT) nomail (DOT) com> wrote

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 03:07:44 GMT, SEO Dave
seo-daveSP (AT) AMsearch-engine-opti...es (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:46:34 GMT, from_you (AT) nomail (DOT) com (C.W.) wrote:

Would happen if he had those pages in a subdirectory also - seems
those drop one level in PR just like pages linked from an inner page
also risk being one notch lower than the page they are linked from.

You aren't saying having a page in a subdirectory one level down means
PR drops by 1 point because it's in a subdirectory?

It can happen. At least I have seen sites where the subdirectory's
pages were one point lower than the page the subdirectory was linked
to from.

That's a very old myth and easily shown to be false since it's easy to
create a subdirectory with higher PR than the root.

Through a linking strategy?

Carol

C.W. wrote:

It can happen. At least I have seen sites where the subdirectory's
pages were one point lower than the page the subdirectory was linked
to from.

I have seen it too but I think that is where the toolbar guesses the
page rank because it doesn't know the real value.

good point.
i agree with you.

"David Off" <david.off_dumpthisbit_ (AT) voila (DOT) fr> wrote

Sambo wrote:
a friend of mine 3 month ago build a little site of apartments
around the world: www.citiesholiday.com .

I explain to him the basic seo optimization and the links issue.
He did the site, create some links ( no link from yahoo or important
directories),
and in the last google PR update he had 4 in the home page and
ALL the rest of the site pages had 4 or 3 or 2.

uh huh, well the little green toolbar doesn't mean a great deal to be
honest. Does your friend get anyone visting his site and does he rank in
the top 10 of SE results for his target keywords?

I checked the following keywords

Appartamenti Toscana
Appartamenti Barcellona and Barcelona Apartments
Appartamenti San Pietroburgo and St. Petersburg Apartments
Appartamenti Budapest and Budapest Apartments

and the site wasn't in the top 20 in Google. I didn't check Cities Holiday
because it is not good English so I doubt anyone searches on this team.

The site is far from SE friendly. The banner text is an image with no ALT
text or link. It is the usual table driven layout which means little
content and lots of code.

am i missing something really easy to understand maybe ??

Yes stop focussing on what the Google toolbar tells you and focus on
buliding traffic.