Re: Search engine spamming

While it does appear that Bdir is visiting site stats to increase th
number of inbound links this is not actually the reason. We did no
ever consider or realise the effect this would have
The Bdir team are involved in a large project that required visitin
pages frequently and then be able to see how long it would take th
web masters to notice
We do have the ability to prevent the system from visiting specifi
sites and I have instructed the design team to create the cod
required
I will post another message back here when the script it is ready
then you wil be able to prevent the robot from visiting your site
Sorry if our project has anoyed anyone
And

Socks the white house catWrote
the domain owner for bdir.co.uk has come up with an interesting way t
increase the number of sites referencing his site, thereby affectin
his
google placement. his URL now appears on 813 other sites

Each of those sites runs webalizer to analyze site hits. One of th
stats
is referrer. By making repeated hits of those sites
http://www.bdir.co.uk
shows up on the webalizer report page in each of those sites, whic
google
then indexes as part of your regular googlebot runs (unless th
stats pages
are disallowed in robots.txt, which few people do)

He's been hitting our site every four minutes for the last thre
months,
recently ignoring access denied messages. That caused him to sho
up at
the top of our referrer count until I set our site to ignore him

There was some brief discussion in google.public.support.genera
awhile
back of other attempts of his to "fool" google. That is what cause
me to
realize his motivation in hitting our site

The job to run all these hits actually runs out o
reverse.theplanet.com, a
known spamming operation

Sample from my access log

30.69-93-122.reverse.theplanet.com - - [27/Jun/2004:04:10:39 -0600
"GET
/usage/ HTTP/1.1" 403 1064 "http://www.bdir.co.uk" "Bdir X Bot V1.
http://www.bdir.co.uk/XBotV1.htm
30.69-93-122.reverse.theplanet.com - - [27/Jun/2004:04:29:17 -0600
"GET
/usage/ HTTP/1.1" 403 1064 "http://www.bdir.co.uk" "Bdir X Bot V1.
http://www.bdir.co.uk/XBotV1.htm
30.69-93-122.reverse.theplanet.com - - [27/Jun/2004:04:45:28 -0600
"GET
/usage/ HTTP/1.1" 403 1064 "http://www.bdir.co.uk" "Bdir X Bot V1.
http://www.bdir.co.uk/XBotV1.htm
30.69-93-122.reverse.theplanet.com - - [27/Jun/2004:04:45:28 -0600
"GET
/usage/ HTTP/1.1" 403 1064 "http://www.bdir.co.uk" "Bdir X Bot V1.
http://www.bdir.co.uk/XBotV1.htm
30.69-93-122.reverse.theplanet.com - - [27/Jun/2004:04:54:15 -0600
"GET
/usage/ HTTP/1.1" 403 1064 "http://www.bdir.co.uk" "Bdir X Bot V1.
http://www.bdir.co.uk/XBotV1.htm

et

Which results in a google index finding the following web page


Top 30 of 2465 Total Referrer
# Hits Referre
1 2714 1.62% Googl
2 2033 1.21% http://www.google.com/searc
3 1355 0.81% Yahoo
4 1147 0.68% http://search.atomz.com/search
5 833 0.50% http://search.yahoo.com/searc
6 598 0.36% http://images.google.com/imgre
8 390 0.23% http://www.bdir.co.u

(note - this is from april webalizer. may and june webalizer h
showed up
at the top, catching my attention and causing me to use HideReferre
to
make him vanish

Run that against 813 sites running webalizer, and you appear to hav
a
quite popular page www.bdir.co.uk linked to in quite a few place

I suspect that google would not be amused











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Why is this American site having its logs spammed: Parkwood Volunteer Fire
Department ?, along with several porno sites doing the same thing. It has
had 750 hits in the last 3 days -
see http://pvfd.com/webalizer/usage_200407.html
It is not a "UK local business"

"andybdir" <andy (AT) bdir (DOT) co-dot-uk.no-spam.invalid> wrote

While it does appear that Bdir is visiting site stats to increase the
number of inbound links this is not actually the reason. We did not
ever consider or realise the effect this would have.
The Bdir team are involved in a large project that required visiting
pages frequently and then be able to see how long it would take the
web masters to notice.
We do have the ability to prevent the system from visiting specific
sites and I have instructed the design team to create the code
required.
I will post another message back here when the script it is ready,
then you wil be able to prevent the robot from visiting your site.
Sorry if our project has anoyed anyone.
Andy
Socks the white house catWrote:
the domain owner for bdir.co.uk has come up with an interesting way to
increase the number of sites referencing his site, thereby affecting
his
google placement. his URL now appears on 813 other sites.

Each of those sites runs webalizer to analyze site hits. One of the
stats
is referrer. By making repeated hits of those sites,
http://www.bdir.co.uk
shows up on the webalizer report page in each of those sites, which
google
then indexes as part of your regular googlebot runs (unless the
stats pages
are disallowed in robots.txt, which few people do).

He's been hitting our site every four minutes for the last three
months,
recently ignoring access denied messages. That caused him to show
up at
the top of our referrer count until I set our site to ignore him.

There was some brief discussion in google.public.support.general
awhile
back of other attempts of his to "fool" google. That is what caused
me to
realize his motivation in hitting our site.

The job to run all these hits actually runs out of
reverse.theplanet.com, a
known spamming operation.

Sample from my access log:

30.69-93-122.reverse.theplanet.com - - [27/Jun/2004:04:10:39 -0600]
"GET
/usage/ HTTP/1.1" 403 1064 "http://www.bdir.co.uk" "Bdir X Bot V1.0
http://www.bdir.co.uk/XBotV1.htm"
30.69-93-122.reverse.theplanet.com - - [27/Jun/2004:04:29:17 -0600]
"GET
/usage/ HTTP/1.1" 403 1064 "http://www.bdir.co.uk" "Bdir X Bot V1.0
http://www.bdir.co.uk/XBotV1.htm"
30.69-93-122.reverse.theplanet.com - - [27/Jun/2004:04:45:28 -0600]
"GET
/usage/ HTTP/1.1" 403 1064 "http://www.bdir.co.uk" "Bdir X Bot V1.0
http://www.bdir.co.uk/XBotV1.htm"
30.69-93-122.reverse.theplanet.com - - [27/Jun/2004:04:45:28 -0600]
"GET
/usage/ HTTP/1.1" 403 1064 "http://www.bdir.co.uk" "Bdir X Bot V1.0
http://www.bdir.co.uk/XBotV1.htm"
30.69-93-122.reverse.theplanet.com - - [27/Jun/2004:04:54:15 -0600]
"GET
/usage/ HTTP/1.1" 403 1064 "http://www.bdir.co.uk" "Bdir X Bot V1.0
http://www.bdir.co.uk/XBotV1.htm"

etc

Which results in a google index finding the following web page:


Top 30 of 2465 Total Referrers
# Hits Referrer
1 2714 1.62% Google
2 2033 1.21% http://www.google.com/search
3 1355 0.81% Yahoo!
4 1147 0.68% http://search.atomz.com/search/
5 833 0.50% http://search.yahoo.com/search
6 598 0.36% http://images.google.com/imgres
8 390 0.23% http://www.bdir.co.uk

(note - this is from april webalizer. may and june webalizer he
showed up
at the top, catching my attention and causing me to use HideReferrer
to
make him vanish)

Run that against 813 sites running webalizer, and you appear to have
a
quite popular page www.bdir.co.uk linked to in quite a few places

I suspect that google would not be amused.











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"I don't live in a police state. I am in Ohio" - Annie, spamcop
troll
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On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 06:19:44 +0000, andybdir wrote:

While it does appear that Bdir is visiting site stats to increase the
number of inbound links this is not actually the reason. We did not
ever consider or realise the effect this would have.
The Bdir team are involved in a large project that required visiting
pages frequently and then be able to see how long it would take the
web masters to notice.

Please, you insult our intelligence with such outrageous statements.

We have been to your home page and we see clearly that you are spammers.

We have also noted that your home page is PR4, which forces us to conclude
that you are not very good spammers.

Google shows 116 backlinks for your main page, and still it is only PR4.
I would guess that this is related to the fact that each web statistics
page has 10, 30, or 100 referrer links. You're not getting much PR from
each link.

Plus, it should be noted that you are not getting any anchor text at all.


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Will Spencer wrote in
<pan.2004.07.03.11.52.56.581000 (AT) internet-search-engines-faq (DOT) com>

On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 06:19:44 +0000, andybdir wrote:

While it does appear that Bdir is visiting site stats to increase the
number of inbound links this is not actually the reason. We did not
ever consider or realise the effect this would have.
The Bdir team are involved in a large project that required visiting
pages frequently and then be able to see how long it would take the
web masters to notice.

Please, you insult our intelligence with such outrageous statements.

We have been to your home page and we see clearly that you are
spammers.

We have also noted that your home page is PR4, which forces us to
conclude that you are not very good spammers.

Google shows 116 backlinks for your main page, and still it is only
PR4. I would guess that this is related to the fact that each web
statistics page has 10, 30, or 100 referrer links. You're not
getting much PR from each link.

Plus, it should be noted that you are not getting any anchor text at
all.

<aol>Me too!</aol>

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If you feel that any of the above is incorrect,
inappropriate or offensive in any way,
please ignore it and accept my apologies.

On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 11:54:02 +0000, Will Spencer wrote:

How does this look?

Does it clearly explain referrer spam to a relative novice?

http://www.internet-search-engines-f...rer-spam.shtml


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Webmaster: http://www.internet-search-engines-faq.com

On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 11:54:02 GMT, Will Spencer
<will.spencer (AT) internet-search-engines-faq (DOT) com> wrote:

On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 06:19:44 +0000, andybdir wrote:

While it does appear that Bdir is visiting site stats to increase the
number of inbound links this is not actually the reason. We did not
ever consider or realise the effect this would have.
The Bdir team are involved in a large project that required visiting
pages frequently and then be able to see how long it would take the
web masters to notice.

Please, you insult our intelligence with such outrageous statements.

We have been to your home page and we see clearly that you are spammers.

We have also noted that your home page is PR4, which forces us to conclude
that you are not very good spammers.

Google shows 116 backlinks for your main page, and still it is only PR4.
I would guess that this is related to the fact that each web statistics
page has 10, 30, or 100 referrer links. You're not getting much PR from
each link.

Plus, it should be noted that you are not getting any anchor text at all.

Just wanchor text (I should point out to the Americans, weaned on
Married With Children and thus routinely exposed to the term "Wanker"
in a non-derisive context, that calling someone a "wanker" over here
is not complimentary).

BB