Re: "for sale" domain owners don't respond to email

Bush is a Fascist wrote:

However when I email the owners, they never ever respond.
Even if it says to inquire about buying at some email,
it's useless because they never respond.

Why is that? Are they selling domains on Ebay or something?

For a while speculators were registering domains that they guessed

would be popular with the hope that people would be stupid enough to pay a
large amount to acquire. I have only heard of one instance where such a
scam worked.
Probably the person(s) who registered the domains have starved to death
waiting for the stampede to their doors. Or lived on the Gulf coast.

--
jmm dash list (at) sohnen-moe (dot) com
(Remove .AXSPAMGN for email)

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 13:41:36 -0700, Jim Moe wrote:

Bush is a Fascist wrote:

However when I email the owners, they never ever respond.
Even if it says to inquire about buying at some email,
it's useless because they never respond.

Why is that? Are they selling domains on Ebay or something?

For a while speculators were registering domains that they guessed
would be popular with the hope that people would be stupid enough to pay a
large amount to acquire. I have only heard of one instance where such a
scam worked.
Probably the person(s) who registered the domains have starved to death
waiting for the stampede to their doors. Or lived on the Gulf coast.

I hate the people that register domains that they have no use for so
that they can sell them at unfair prices.

If you need the domain, you can often find their contact information
(like phone numbers) with a whois search: http://www.whois.net

Maybe they have had the domains for many years and don't check their email
anymore.

Maybe don't make an initial offer with your first contact. Just say that
you saw that they owned the domain and you are interested to know if they
are selling. Don't sound eager, because if you sound too professional they might try to quote you a ridiculously high price ("tens of
thousands of dollars" or whatever). If you are lucky, they might be
getting bored with wasting $35/year for the name. They are probably often
thinking to themselves, "I wish I could get rid of all these domain names
and at least get some of my investment on yearly fees back." If you don't
mention too much information in your initial contact then you don't risk
offering "too low" an amount and maybe they will be more likely to
respond. Also, you can check the expiry date of the domain, put it on
your calendar with a reminder, and hope that they don't renew it...

"WD10" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) invalid> wrote

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 13:41:36 -0700, Jim Moe wrote:

For a while speculators were registering domains that they guessed
would be popular with the hope that people would be stupid enough to pay
a
large amount to acquire. I have only heard of one instance where such a
scam worked.

Go visit www.sedo.com and look at recent sales

If you are lucky, they might be getting bored with
wasting $35/year for the name.

... its $7 per year, and thats more than paid for by a few clicks on the
parking page...a single click is between $0.1 and 1$

They are probably often thinking to themselves, "I wish I could get rid
of all these domain names and at least get some of my investment on
yearly fees back."

No, parked domains do make money, sometimes large amounts,
maybe you should look up PPC

If you want to buy a domain, offer at least more than its yearly income,
a lowball offer of $50 or $100 will always get ignored.

--
Mike

Jim Moe wrote

Bush is a Fascist wrote:

However when I email the owners, they never ever respond.
Even if it says to inquire about buying at some email,
it's useless because they never respond.

Why is that? Are they selling domains on Ebay or something?

For a while speculators were registering domains that they guessed
would be popular with the hope that people would be stupid enough to
pay a large amount to acquire. I have only heard of one instance where
such a scam worked.

How is this a scam? (Notwithstanding obvious Trademark issues, which I
suspect you were not referring to).

Probably the person(s) who registered the domains have starved to
death
waiting for the stampede to their doors.

Fair chance of that I would say.

--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com

WD10 wrote

I hate the people that register domains that they have no use for so
that they can sell them at unfair prices.

I hate people who buy shares in fledgling companies, then sell them for
a huge profit, years later.

It's called speculation. It's as old as the hills, get used to it.

(Obvious Trademark issues aside)

Don't worry yourself over it. They don't make any money, but they do
pour millions into the system.

--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com

Charles Sweeney wrote:

WD10 wrote


I hate the people that register domains that they have no use for so
that they can sell them at unfair prices.


I hate people who buy shares in fledgling companies, then sell them for
a huge profit, years later.

It's called speculation. It's as old as the hills, get used to it.

(Obvious Trademark issues aside)

Why? Such speculation is illegal in many other parts of society. No
theoretical hindrance of introducing legislation in this area also. Some
countries probably already have such legislation. For instance, you have
to be a Spanish citizen, business or similar, to register an .es domain.

Don't worry yourself over it. They don't make any money, but they do
pour millions into the system.

I don't know about that. What examples have there been of domain names
sold at a high price? I have seen som at online auctions.

Mikkel

--
Guatemala travel, Spanish studies, volunteering:
http://lakjer.dk/mikkel/spanish.shtml

It's called speculation. It's as old as the hills, get used to it.
(Obvious Trademark issues aside)

Why? Such speculation is illegal in many other parts of society.

I'm guessing that speculation regarding several common words strung
together might still be legal. What's illegal would be speculating by
reserving a domain name that legally should belong to someone else.

However, what is reasonable about a company that doesn't want your
domain, they just don't want you to have it? One of my friends had
reserved and created pages for a number of domains including
gonews.com, checkersnews.com, chessnews.com, scra bblenews.com, etc.

You guessed it ... the company owning the scrabble trademark demanded
they take the page down, not because they wanted the page, but just
because they didn't want anyone using scrabble as part of their name.

I think that was a little over board, since the page in question merely
had links to news items that related to the world of scrabble.

John
www.GodLovesEveryone.org

On 10 Sep 2005 06:21:15 -0700, "Letterfly"
<www.Letterfly.com (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

It's called speculation. It's as old as the hills, get used to it.
(Obvious Trademark issues aside)

Why? Such speculation is illegal in many other parts of society.

I'm guessing that speculation regarding several common words strung
together might still be legal. What's illegal would be speculating by
reserving a domain name that legally should belong to someone else.

However, what is reasonable about a company that doesn't want your
domain, they just don't want you to have it? One of my friends had
reserved and created pages for a number of domains including
gonews.com, checkersnews.com, chessnews.com, scra bblenews.com, etc.

You guessed it ... the company owning the scrabble trademark demanded
they take the page down, not because they wanted the page, but just
because they didn't want anyone using scrabble as part of their name.

I think that was a little over board, since the page in question merely
had links to news items that related to the world of scrabble.

John
www.GodLovesEveryone.org

You've had no problems from God, I take it?

BB
--
www.kruse.co.uk/ seo (AT) kruse (DOT) demon.co.uk
Elvis does my SEO
--

On 10 Sep 2005 12:36:37 GMT, Charles Sweeney <me (AT) charlessweeney (DOT) com>
wrote:

WD10 wrote

I hate the people that register domains that they have no use for so
that they can sell them at unfair prices.

I hate people who buy shares in fledgling companies, then sell them for
a huge profit, years later.

Yeah me too, they never let me in on the action :-))

It's called speculation. It's as old as the hills, get used to it.

It's funny how some people consider the internet as different to the
real world. I'm considering going into property in a couple of years
time, buy to let (UK markets meant to drop for a couple of years then
start it's rise again), I'm hoping the property I buy goes up in price
so I can sell it a few years later. No different to buying a domain
name and hoping someone is willing to pay more than you paid for it.

(Obvious Trademark issues aside)

Don't worry yourself over it. They don't make any money, but they do
pour millions into the system.

I don't know, the majority of the $20,000 plus domains for sale are a
joke, I guess it's newbies to domain selling thinking because others
offer domains for ludicrous prices someone actually buys them. At the
realistic end of the market there seems to be a fair number of domains
changing hands, not for the price above, but for reasonable sums.

I've never sold a domain, so this is based on research as a buyer.
I've bought over 50 domains and all have been under $200 (got a few
for under $20!). Some of these I've seen advertised on SEDO for
thousands of dollars. I've tended to go for domains that are low PR
with potential, so to most people they wouldn't be worth much (bit of
an experiment to be honest).

Anyone got any experience of selling domains based on PR, is there a
market?

David
--
Free Search Engine Optimization Tutorial
http://www.seo-gold.com/tutorial/

David wrote:

It's funny how some people consider the internet as different to the
real world.

I don't know if you read my post but I was making a comparison to "the
real world". I don't know why you think of the internet as something
different from "the real world".

I'm considering going into property in a couple of years
time, buy to let (UK markets meant to drop for a couple of years then
start it's rise again), I'm hoping the property I buy goes up in price
so I can sell it a few years later. No different to buying a domain
name and hoping someone is willing to pay more than you paid for it.

I am glad you made that comparison, because I can tell you that
speculating in bying real estate and letting the houses stand empty
until a high price is offered - while other people cannot find a place
to live - is actually illegal in some parts of the world. And no, I'm
not talking about North Korea or Cuba, but about the Western World.

Mikkel

--
Guatemala travel, Spanish studies, volunteering:
http://lakjer.dk/mikkel/spanish.shtml