Re: Questions about Google Ranking and Linking

On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:34:58 GMT, AF <bscinc3000 (AT) Yahoo_NoSpam (DOT) com>
wrote:

I have some questions about linking and achieving higher ranking in
Google. FIrst, I am not concerned with Page Rank, but rather with
higher placement.

You should be concerned with PR since the two go hand in hand. Low PR
means you don't have many high quality links, which says to Google
this site isn't important.

David
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:39:01 GMT, David
<seodave (AT) search-engine-optimization-services (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:34:58 GMT, AF <bscinc3000 (AT) Yahoo_NoSpam (DOT) com
wrote:

I have some questions about linking and achieving higher ranking in
Google. FIrst, I am not concerned with Page Rank, but rather with
higher placement.

You should be concerned with PR since the two go hand in hand. Low PR
means you don't have many high quality links, which says to Google
this site isn't important.

David

Mind, I had a client site rank top 5 from several million with a PR of
2, an experience which is hardly unusual.
In fact, if you search for

good search experience

without "" you'll find amiable ol' me is no 1 from 202,000,000 with a
PR of precisely 4. Wired is in there somewhere, you know, like in the
SERPS boonies, with a PR of 7, IIRC, so there goes Dave's fantasy PR
theories. Again.

BB
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"Big Bill" <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:39:01 GMT, David
seodave (AT) search-engine-optimizat...es (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:34:58 GMT, AF <bscinc3000 (AT) Yahoo_NoSpam (DOT) com
wrote:

I have some questions about linking and achieving higher ranking in
Google. FIrst, I am not concerned with Page Rank, but rather with
higher placement.

You should be concerned with PR since the two go hand in hand. Low PR
means you don't have many high quality links, which says to Google
this site isn't important.


Mind, I had a client site rank top 5 from several million with a PR of
2, an experience which is hardly unusual.

Depends on the search terms really and how good your links are. Plus, on
page wise also counts. I beat a higher PR site and have been for a long
time. :-)

In fact, if you search for

good search experience

without "" you'll find amiable ol' me is no 1 from 202,000,000 with a
PR of precisely 4. Wired is in there somewhere, you know, like in the
SERPS boonies, with a PR of 7, IIRC, so there goes Dave's fantasy PR
theories. Again.

I wonder why? :-)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...+experience%22

Stacey

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 08:55:49 GMT, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk>
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:39:01 GMT, David
seodave (AT) search-engine-optimizat...es (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:34:58 GMT, AF <bscinc3000 (AT) Yahoo_NoSpam (DOT) com
wrote:

I have some questions about linking and achieving higher ranking in
Google. FIrst, I am not concerned with Page Rank, but rather with
higher placement.

You should be concerned with PR since the two go hand in hand. Low PR
means you don't have many high quality links, which says to Google
this site isn't important.

David

Mind, I had a client site rank top 5 from several million with a PR of
2, an experience which is hardly unusual.
In fact, if you search for

good search experience

without "" you'll find amiable ol' me is no 1 from 202,000,000 with a
PR of precisely 4. Wired is in there somewhere, you know, like in the
SERPS boonies, with a PR of 7, IIRC, so there goes Dave's fantasy PR
theories. Again.

BB

Type :
mod_rewrite
into google and the #1 spot is PR0
below it are PR4 and PR5

plh
Paul



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"Paul" <webmaster (AT) firstpeople (DOT) us> wrote

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 08:55:49 GMT, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:39:01 GMT, David
seodave (AT) search-engine-optimizat...es (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:34:58 GMT, AF <bscinc3000 (AT) Yahoo_NoSpam (DOT) com
wrote:

I have some questions about linking and achieving higher ranking in
Google. FIrst, I am not concerned with Page Rank, but rather with
higher placement.

You should be concerned with PR since the two go hand in hand. Low PR
means you don't have many high quality links, which says to Google
this site isn't important.

David

Mind, I had a client site rank top 5 from several million with a PR of
2, an experience which is hardly unusual.
In fact, if you search for

good search experience

without "" you'll find amiable ol' me is no 1 from 202,000,000 with a
PR of precisely 4. Wired is in there somewhere, you know, like in the
SERPS boonies, with a PR of 7, IIRC, so there goes Dave's fantasy PR
theories. Again.

BB

Type :
mod_rewrite
into google and the #1 spot is PR0
below it are PR4 and PR5

The main domain is a PR 9, so you know that the page is probably to new to
register on the toolbar. So, the PR isn't really a 0.

Stacey

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:44:09 +0200, "Stacey"
<Remove-the-Y-stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

"Paul" <webmaster (AT) firstpeople (DOT) us> wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 08:55:49 GMT, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:39:01 GMT, David
seodave (AT) search-engine-optimizat...es (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:34:58 GMT, AF <bscinc3000 (AT) Yahoo_NoSpam (DOT) com
wrote:

I have some questions about linking and achieving higher ranking in
Google. FIrst, I am not concerned with Page Rank, but rather with
higher placement.

You should be concerned with PR since the two go hand in hand. Low PR
means you don't have many high quality links, which says to Google
this site isn't important.

David

Mind, I had a client site rank top 5 from several million with a PR of
2, an experience which is hardly unusual.
In fact, if you search for

good search experience

without "" you'll find amiable ol' me is no 1 from 202,000,000 with a
PR of precisely 4. Wired is in there somewhere, you know, like in the
SERPS boonies, with a PR of 7, IIRC, so there goes Dave's fantasy PR
theories. Again.

BB

Type :
mod_rewrite
into google and the #1 spot is PR0
below it are PR4 and PR5


The main domain is a PR 9, so you know that the page is probably to new to
register on the toolbar. So, the PR isn't really a 0.

Stacey

I am aware of that Stacey, but I think that page has been there for

some time. Hence I mentioned it. But yes, it could be new.

plh
Paul



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"Paul" <webmaster (AT) firstpeople (DOT) us> wrote

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:44:09 +0200, "Stacey"
Remove-the-Y-stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

"Paul" <webmaster (AT) firstpeople (DOT) us> wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 08:55:49 GMT, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:39:01 GMT, David
seodave (AT) search-engine-optimizat...es (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:34:58 GMT, AF <bscinc3000 (AT) Yahoo_NoSpam (DOT) com
wrote:

I have some questions about linking and achieving higher ranking in
Google. FIrst, I am not concerned with Page Rank, but rather with
higher placement.

You should be concerned with PR since the two go hand in hand. Low PR
means you don't have many high quality links, which says to Google
this site isn't important.

David

Mind, I had a client site rank top 5 from several million with a PR of
2, an experience which is hardly unusual.
In fact, if you search for

good search experience

without "" you'll find amiable ol' me is no 1 from 202,000,000 with a
PR of precisely 4. Wired is in there somewhere, you know, like in the
SERPS boonies, with a PR of 7, IIRC, so there goes Dave's fantasy PR
theories. Again.

BB

Type :
mod_rewrite
into google and the #1 spot is PR0
below it are PR4 and PR5


The main domain is a PR 9, so you know that the page is probably to new to
register on the toolbar. So, the PR isn't really a 0.

Stacey

I am aware of that Stacey, but I think that page has been there for
some time. Hence I mentioned it. But yes, it could be new.

When was the last PR toolbar update a while ago I think. That is what I am
saying about being new, to new for the toolbar. If you knew that the domain
had a PR of 9 so the page itself can not be a truly a PR0 why did you
mention it in regards to PR theories? That actually proves PR theories as
being still used. :-)

Stacey

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:38:59 +0200, "Stacey"
<Remove-the-Y-stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

"Paul" <webmaster (AT) firstpeople (DOT) us> wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:44:09 +0200, "Stacey"
Remove-the-Y-stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

"Paul" <webmaster (AT) firstpeople (DOT) us> wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 08:55:49 GMT, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:39:01 GMT, David
seodave (AT) search-engine-optimizat...es (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:34:58 GMT, AF <bscinc3000 (AT) Yahoo_NoSpam (DOT) com
wrote:

I have some questions about linking and achieving higher ranking in
Google. FIrst, I am not concerned with Page Rank, but rather with
higher placement.

You should be concerned with PR since the two go hand in hand. Low PR
means you don't have many high quality links, which says to Google
this site isn't important.

David

Mind, I had a client site rank top 5 from several million with a PR of
2, an experience which is hardly unusual.
In fact, if you search for

good search experience

without "" you'll find amiable ol' me is no 1 from 202,000,000 with a
PR of precisely 4. Wired is in there somewhere, you know, like in the
SERPS boonies, with a PR of 7, IIRC, so there goes Dave's fantasy PR
theories. Again.

BB

Type :
mod_rewrite
into google and the #1 spot is PR0
below it are PR4 and PR5


The main domain is a PR 9, so you know that the page is probably to new to
register on the toolbar. So, the PR isn't really a 0.

Stacey

I am aware of that Stacey, but I think that page has been there for
some time. Hence I mentioned it. But yes, it could be new.

When was the last PR toolbar update a while ago I think.

Yes

That is what I am saying about being new, to new for the toolbar.

Yes, I knew that too.

If you knew that the domain had a PR of 9 so the page itself can not be a truly a PR0 why did you
mention it in regards to PR theories?

Why not ?
All theories have more than one side.
Just because a homepage may be a PR9 doesn't mean that the rest of the
site has to follow suit.
Could be 100's of reasons why a webmaster may not want to spread PR
throughout the site, or not cache a particular page, or screwed up in
some way for a page not to be credited with PR.

That actually proves PR theories as being still used. :-)

Theories will always exist. Thats what SEO is partly about.
Google will never tell you their algo, so all we have to work on are
theories, and things that work one week, and not the next (and visa
versa)

Stacey

plh
Paul



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"Paul" <webmaster (AT) firstpeople (DOT) us> wrote

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:38:59 +0200, "Stacey"
Remove-the-Y-stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

snip

If you knew that the domain had a PR of 9 so the page itself can not be a
truly a PR0 why did you
mention it in regards to PR theories?

Why not ?
All theories have more than one side.

Sure of course what is your side?

Just because a homepage may be a PR9 doesn't mean that the rest of the
site has to follow suit.

Ahh, not follow suit of having a PR of 9 didn't say it had a 9. But I am
sorry the PR of 9 is helping that one page. Plus, did you see the backlinks
of that one page? It isn't a real PR of 0 as you said you know but stated it
was #1 with aPR of 0. If there are links going to that page then it will
have some PR even if it isn't from the index page.

Could be 100's of reasons why a webmaster may not want to spread PR
throughout the site, or not cache a particular page, or screwed up in
some way for a page not to be credited with PR.

The page gets credit for the domain the site in general not just the page
itself. You can start sites with domains like angelfire and are considered
to be with part of it even though the site is different. For instance look
at these.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...%22rag+rugs%22
DM Hookworks, Ruglady, Victorian Rose, Notasulga Nostalgia , etc. They are
all different sites but of the same domain. Yes, they don't pull a lot of PR
as the way the site is set up from the main domain but they can still
benefit in other ways. Like it isn't like a brand new name coming in and
trying to rank. They can also lose by it also because that domain has every
type of site involved with it. These typed sites can also get indexed
faster.

That actually proves PR theories as being still used. :-)

Theories will always exist. Thats what SEO is partly about.
Google will never tell you their algo, so all we have to work on are
theories, and things that work one week, and not the next (and visa
versa)

LOL!! Of course. Still not seeing any theory from your part though. :-) PR
is in fact still being used. I see no evidence otherwise. If the site has
good anchor links along with decent PR, and good on and off page
optimization there should no reason why the site shouldn't do well and can
beat a site with high PR that isn't doing good anchor links with it and on
page optimization. I would love to see some sort of evidence to where it
isn't being used. Let's face it..the internet is built on links...links make
PR.:-)

Stacey

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:33:22 +0200, "Stacey"
<Remove-the-Y-stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

"Big Bill" <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:39:01 GMT, David
seodave (AT) search-engine-optimizat...es (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:34:58 GMT, AF <bscinc3000 (AT) Yahoo_NoSpam (DOT) com
wrote:

I have some questions about linking and achieving higher ranking in
Google. FIrst, I am not concerned with Page Rank, but rather with
higher placement.

You should be concerned with PR since the two go hand in hand. Low PR
means you don't have many high quality links, which says to Google
this site isn't important.


Mind, I had a client site rank top 5 from several million with a PR of
2, an experience which is hardly unusual.

Depends on the search terms really and how good your links are. Plus, on
page wise also counts. I beat a higher PR site and have been for a long
time. :-)

In fact, if you search for

good search experience

without "" you'll find amiable ol' me is no 1 from 202,000,000 with a
PR of precisely 4. Wired is in there somewhere, you know, like in the
SERPS boonies, with a PR of 7, IIRC, so there goes Dave's fantasy PR
theories. Again.

I wonder why? :-)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...+experience%22

Stacey

I did say without ""

BB

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