Why doesn't Google remove pages from it's cache

Some pages from the old version of a website are in Google's index. Then a
completely new website is launched. Google runs over the new website and
inserts the new pages into it's index.

But why aren't old pages, which no longer exist, removed from Google's
index?

These pages still show up in result lists. Of course when clicking on these
list entries, a 404 is given. So we have to create new pages with the old
names, but meta/redirect and meta/robots/noindex in it.

What is the most efficient way to tell Google "forget about this page, even
if you have some ranking information about it, throw it away"?

Michael G. Schneider

"Michael G. Schneider" <mgs-AntiSpam (AT) mgs-software (DOT) de> wrote in
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Some pages from the old version of a website are in Google's index.
Then a completely new website is launched. Google runs over the new
website and inserts the new pages into it's index.

But why aren't old pages, which no longer exist, removed from Google's
index?

These pages still show up in result lists. Of course when clicking on
these list entries, a 404 is given.

Of course. You should create URLs with great care. And if you move a
page, make sure it could be reached via the old URL.

So we have to create new pages
with the old names,

So you didn't create your URLs with great care...

but meta/redirect and meta/robots/noindex in it.

What is the most efficient way to tell Google "forget about this page,
even if you have some ranking information about it, throw it away"?

Remove it. But why? Oh, people book mark now and then. However, if your
site has a regular renaming scheme I doubt it has useful info on it.

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"Michael G. Schneider" <mgs-AntiSpam (AT) mgs-software (DOT) de> wrote in
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Thank's a lot for the answer - although it doesn't answer my question...

These pages still show up in result lists. Of course when clicking
on these list entries, a 404 is given.

Of course. You should create URLs with great care. And if you move a
page, make sure it could be reached via the old URL.

I do choose my URLs with great care. This website has been taken over by me
from somebody else. We decided to throw anything old away, and launch a
completely new website.

So we have to create new pages with the old names,

So you didn't create your URLs with great care...

I did not create those URLs, they were left over from the past.

What is the most efficient way to tell Google "forget about this page,
even if you have some ranking information about it, throw it away"?

Remove it. But why? Oh, people book mark now and then. However,
if your site has a regular renaming scheme I doubt it has useful info on
it.

You ask why? As I said: the old pages still show up in current Google result
lists. So when seeing the website in result lists, you will find old
non-existing pages, and new existing pages. I want the non-existing pages to
disappear from Google result lists.

What made you think that there is a regular renaming scheme? And what made
you think, that there is nothing usefull on it?

Michael G. Schneider

On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 17:49:15 +0200, "Michael G. Schneider"
<mgs-AntiSpam (AT) mgs-software (DOT) de> wrote:

Some pages from the old version of a website are in Google's index. Then a
completely new website is launched. Google runs over the new website and
inserts the new pages into it's index.

But why aren't old pages, which no longer exist, removed from Google's
index?

These pages still show up in result lists. Of course when clicking on these
list entries, a 404 is given. So we have to create new pages with the old
names, but meta/redirect and meta/robots/noindex in it.

What is the most efficient way to tell Google "forget about this page, even
if you have some ranking information about it, throw it away"?

Michael G. Schneider

301 redirect.

BB

On 5 Sep 2004 17:13:56 GMT, John Bokma <postmaster (AT) castleamber (DOT) com>
wrote:

"Michael G. Schneider" <mgs-AntiSpam (AT) mgs-software (DOT) de> wrote in
news:chfcai$10p$02$1 (AT) news (DOT) t-online.com:

Some pages from the old version of a website are in Google's index.
Then a completely new website is launched. Google runs over the new
website and inserts the new pages into it's index.

But why aren't old pages, which no longer exist, removed from Google's
index?

These pages still show up in result lists. Of course when clicking on
these list entries, a 404 is given.

Of course. You should create URLs with great care. And if you move a
page, make sure it could be reached via the old URL.

So we have to create new pages
with the old names,

So you didn't create your URLs with great care...

but meta/redirect and meta/robots/noindex in it.

What is the most efficient way to tell Google "forget about this page,
even if you have some ranking information about it, throw it away"?

Remove it. But why? Oh, people book mark now and then. However, if your
site has a regular renaming scheme I doubt it has useful info on it.

And today's prize for "helpful" goes to......I'm opening the envelope
now......

BB

"Big Bill" <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 17:49:15 +0200, "Michael G. Schneider"
mgs-AntiSpam (AT) mgs-software (DOT) de> wrote:

What is the most efficient way to tell Google "forget about this page,
even if you have some ranking information about it, throw it away"?

301 redirect.

Thank's a lot. Short, precise, and definitely the winner for today's prize
for "helpfull".

Michael G. Schneider

On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:42:06 +0200, "Michael G. Schneider"
<mgs-AntiSpam (AT) mgs-software (DOT) de> wrote:

As I said: the old pages still show up in current Google result
lists. So when seeing the website in result lists, you will find old
non-existing pages, and new existing pages. I want the non-existing pages to
disappear from Google result lists.

You will have to be patient and wait out the older pages being dropped
out of the index [may take 2 to 6 weeks thereabouts as a very ROUGH
estimation thought shared] ... or you can try writing to Google asking
them to drop PageNameX from their index.

http://www.google.com/webmasters/3.html

Carol

"Michael G. Schneider" <mgs-AntiSpam (AT) mgs-software (DOT) de> wrote in
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"John Bokma" <postmaster (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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"Michael G. Schneider" <mgs-AntiSpam (AT) mgs-software (DOT) de> wrote in
news:chfcai$10p$02$1 (AT) news (DOT) t-online.com:

Thank's a lot for the answer - although it doesn't answer my
question...

These pages still show up in result lists. Of course when clicking
on these list entries, a 404 is given.

Of course. You should create URLs with great care. And if you move a
page, make sure it could be reached via the old URL.

I do choose my URLs with great care. This website has been taken over
by me from somebody else. We decided to throw anything old away, and
launch a completely new website.

I couldn't guess that :-D.

So we have to create new pages with the old names,

So you didn't create your URLs with great care...

I did not create those URLs, they were left over from the past.

It's clear now. Then just 301 redirect them to the page that comes as
close as possible to your content. If not available, then redirect to
the index. Google will pick up those new pages.

Remove it. But why? Oh, people book mark now and then. However,
if your site has a regular renaming scheme I doubt it has useful info
on
it.

You ask why? As I said: the old pages still show up in current Google
result lists. So when seeing the website in result lists, you will
find old non-existing pages, and new existing pages. I want the
non-existing pages to disappear from Google result lists.

What made you think that there is a regular renaming scheme? And what
made you think, that there is nothing usefull on it?

I had to guess a lot from your posting :-D. Just a line like "I took
over someones site..." would have explained a lot.

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Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote in
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And today's prize for "helpful" goes to......I'm opening the envelope
now......

Usenet is not a free helpdesk.

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On 5 Sep 2004 20:46:32 GMT, John Bokma <postmaster (AT) castleamber (DOT) com>
wrote:

Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote in
news:hdnmj0ho78fr3mkqtu4c5dvesbavh0v0u1 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com:

And today's prize for "helpful" goes to......I'm opening the envelope
now......

Usenet is not a free helpdesk.

This just in; New owner of Usenet John Bokma declared today "Not a
free helpdesk". ....a nation mourns.

BB