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Re: SEO = Rocket Science?
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Re: SEO = Rocket Science? -
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You pay for expertise and experience - if theyre as good as they say then THEY should be no1 for "search engine optimisation" in google shouldnt they? |
More than you do, I mean. Sigh.
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On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:58:06 +0100, "mark | r" <markrush (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote: You pay for expertise and experience - if theyre as good as they say then THEY should be no1 for "search engine optimisation" in google shouldnt they? I'm not. You going to say I'm no good? More than you do, I mean. Sigh. |
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"Big Bill" <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message news:7s9o51d4dmb0breck5libbfbbf7ifvf5io (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:58:06 +0100, "mark | r" <markrush (AT) gmail (DOT) com wrote: You pay for expertise and experience - if theyre as good as they say then THEY should be no1 for "search engine optimisation" in google shouldnt they? I'm not. You going to say I'm no good? More than you do, I mean. Sigh. it stands to reason that the best seo will be page#1 ? Mark |
penchant for buying ibls before Florida will be no 1. Just like they
were then and probably will be in a thousand years or until Google
change their algo to allow new sites a shot. Jeez, we taught you
nothing here?
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No, it stands to reason that the seo who had the biggest budget and a penchant for buying ibls before Florida will be no 1. Just like they were then and probably will be in a thousand years or until Google change their algo to allow new sites a shot. Jeez, we taught you nothing here? BB |
Florida was ~18 months ago, I've got sites that are post Florida that
are doing well now (9 and 10 month old sites for example). If you have
a site over 1 year old that's not doing well it's not because it's
new.
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:24:43 GMT, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk wrote: No, it stands to reason that the seo who had the biggest budget and a penchant for buying ibls before Florida will be no 1. Just like they were then and probably will be in a thousand years or until Google change their algo to allow new sites a shot. Jeez, we taught you nothing here? BB Eventually Bill new sites become old. Florida was ~18 months ago, I've got sites that are post Florida that are doing well now (9 and 10 month old sites for example). If you have a site over 1 year old that's not doing well it's not because it's new. |
change but wasn't tweaked properly then after Brandy things worked better. I
changed my homepage right after Florida made it smaller and moved the
content to another page. It brought it up some at #30 instead of 100, after
Brandy I moved to the top 5 and have been there since.
There are just to many SEO's out there going for the top 10. So, to me if
you make it to the top 5 for the hardest SEO SERP you are an outstanding
awesome SEO and if you make it to the top 10 you are pretty awesome, top 20
great, top 50 good! ;-)
Stacey
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:24:43 GMT, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk wrote: No, it stands to reason that the seo who had the biggest budget and a penchant for buying ibls before Florida will be no 1. Just like they were then and probably will be in a thousand years or until Google change their algo to allow new sites a shot. Jeez, we taught you nothing here? BB Eventually Bill new sites become old. Florida was ~18 months ago, I've got sites that are post Florida that are doing well now (9 and 10 month old sites for example). If you have a site over 1 year old that's not doing well it's not because it's new. David |
plus now. Sites with a handful now are unable to make this gap up.
No-one can find them. Actually I'm getting round this but Lordy it's
slow. Possibly an advantage when the next algo comes along though, a
biggie I mean.
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Eventually Bill new sites become old. Florida was ~18 months ago, I've got sites that are post Florida that are doing well now (9 and 10 month old sites for example). If you have a site over 1 year old that's not doing well it's not because it's new. David The linking problems remain. Sites with a zillion then have a zillion plus now. Sites with a handful now are unable to make this gap up. No-one can find them. |
I don't have a problem finding links since I tend to create my own.
Take a look at this new section to a site of mine
http://william-shakespeare.classic-l...uk/book-store/
Click on a few of the menu links and estimate the number of pages
added you should come to around 10,000 pages. There's also a UK
version with another 6500 pages. The main site
http://william-shakespeare.classic-literature.co.uk/ has around 9,000
pages indexed already, so over doubled the number of pages. Can also
add German, Canadian and Japanese and probably others versions long
term. All generated dynamically using Amazon's XML feed.
That's just one section of one site. Will be creating a set of sites
like those for every author I've listed and other sites for other
products (would not be surprised to find I've got a million pages like
these indexed within 12 months). With the addition of a random link on
each page they can be used to not only gain traffic in their own
right, but as pages to link to other important pages.
Not even finished the site yet (not added a main page intro) and
already have good placement for
William Shakespeare Book Store
Shakespeare Book Store
William Shakespeare Store
And that's with only the one page
http://william-shakespeare.classic-l...uk/book-store/
indexed in Google (link added to it less than 48hrs ago). Will be very
interesting to see how Google reacts to all the new pages with
diverse, but relevant content.
You got to get proactive since your competition isn't sitting on it's
hands.
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Actually I'm getting round this but Lordy it's slow. Possibly an advantage when the next algo comes along though, a biggie I mean. |
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:19:56 GMT, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk wrote: Eventually Bill new sites become old. Florida was ~18 months ago, I've got sites that are post Florida that are doing well now (9 and 10 month old sites for example). If you have a site over 1 year old that's not doing well it's not because it's new. David The linking problems remain. Sites with a zillion then have a zillion plus now. Sites with a handful now are unable to make this gap up. No-one can find them. Hi, I don't have a problem finding links since I tend to create my own. |
slow I am! Duh!
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Take a look at this new section to a site of mine http://william-shakespeare.classic-l...uk/book-store/ Click on a few of the menu links and estimate the number of pages added you should come to around 10,000 pages. There's also a UK version with another 6500 pages. The main site http://william-shakespeare.classic-literature.co.uk/ has around 9,000 pages indexed already, so over doubled the number of pages. Can also add German, Canadian and Japanese and probably others versions long term. All generated dynamically using Amazon's XML feed. |
www.kruse.co.uk/tsunami.xml but it's really me doing my Mr Angry bit
to get familiar with the technology. I doubt it gets read by anyone.
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That's just one section of one site. Will be creating a set of sites like those for every author I've listed and other sites for other products (would not be surprised to find I've got a million pages like these indexed within 12 months). With the addition of a random link on each page they can be used to not only gain traffic in their own right, but as pages to link to other important pages. |
It would arguably suit me as I do author sites anyway - walk down my
road and my front window is the one half-filled with books! True! I
have around 15,000.
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Not even finished the site yet (not added a main page intro) and already have good placement for William Shakespeare Book Store Shakespeare Book Store William Shakespeare Store And that's with only the one page http://william-shakespeare.classic-l...uk/book-store/ indexed in Google (link added to it less than 48hrs ago). Will be very interesting to see how Google reacts to all the new pages with diverse, but relevant content. You got to get proactive since your competition isn't sitting on it's hands. |
pages on a diary type basis. Chock-full of relevant industry keywords
and phrases.
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Actually I'm getting round this but Lordy it's slow. Possibly an advantage when the next algo comes along though, a biggie I mean. You got some inside info Bill :-)) |
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 01:57:40 GMT, SEO Dave seodave (AT) search-engine-optimizat...es (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Hi, I don't have a problem finding links since I tend to create my own. Me too and it works but slowly as I write mine myself. And we know how slow I am! Duh! |
That's why you (semi) automate it using free content, public domain
and affiliate content. 4 years ago I didn't own a single domain or how
to code a page. Beginning of this year I had about 100,000 pages
online all but about 5,000 created since last Feb (highest PR I had
before Feb was PR5, now PR7s). This week I've added a further 40,000+
pages (about 10,000 under the SEO Gold domain today) and will be
creating another 10,000+ page section to another site today. Soon as I
have the templates right I'll be doing the same for my long term
clients as well (for no extra cost).
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term. All generated dynamically using Amazon's XML feed. I didn't know they did one. I have my own RSS feed at www.kruse.co.uk/tsunami.xml but it's really me doing my Mr Angry bit to get familiar with the technology. I doubt it gets read by anyone. |
create something worth copying I don't see the point.
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That's just one section of one site. Will be creating a set of sites like those for every author I've listed and other sites for other products (would not be surprised to find I've got a million pages like these indexed within 12 months). With the addition of a random link on each page they can be used to not only gain traffic in their own right, but as pages to link to other important pages. they aren't on-topic though, for anything outside their limited field. |
sites that you just can't create a reasonable sized Amazon store for.
Look at the sections added to the SEO Gold site, the Search Engine
books is highly relevant, the Website Design ones (like PHP
Programming) are semi relevant.
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It would arguably suit me as I do author sites anyway - walk down my road and my front window is the one half-filled with books! True! I have around 15,000. |
to use some as table legs etc... to find room for them :-) We already
have 4 to the ceiling bookshelves that are completely filled with
books. I barely get the time to read any more, but the kids go through
books at a rate of several a day!
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You got to get proactive since your competition isn't sitting on it's hands. I *am* doing this! I actively encourage my clients to create their own pages on a diary type basis. Chock-full of relevant industry keywords and phrases. |
the PR, there's only so many SERPs you can get per page. If you want a
lot of traffic (over 1,000 unique visitors a day) you need a large
site. It's difficult when busy to find the time to create relevant
content. I've been working on the SEO Tutorial for over two years now
and still only done a handful of pages. What I did today changed a <
20 page site into a 10,000+ page site over night (just got to wait for
the bots to do there thing now).
I just got the first pages indexed from the first Amazon site I
uploaded (40 pages indexed) and it's looking very, very good.
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Actually I'm getting round this but Lordy it's slow. Possibly an advantage when the next algo comes along though, a biggie I mean. You got some inside info Bill :-)) I intend surviving the next earthquake, when it comes! |
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:06:54 GMT, Big Bill <kruse (AT) cityscape (DOT) co.uk wrote: On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 01:57:40 GMT, SEO Dave seodave (AT) search-engine-optimizat...es (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Hi, I don't have a problem finding links since I tend to create my own. Me too and it works but slowly as I write mine myself. And we know how slow I am! Duh! Hi, That's why you (semi) automate it using free content, public domain and affiliate content. 4 years ago I didn't own a single domain or how to code a page. Beginning of this year I had about 100,000 pages online all but about 5,000 created since last Feb (highest PR I had before Feb was PR5, now PR7s). This week I've added a further 40,000+ pages (about 10,000 under the SEO Gold domain today) and will be creating another 10,000+ page section to another site today. Soon as I have the templates right I'll be doing the same for my long term clients as well (for no extra cost). term. All generated dynamically using Amazon's XML feed. I didn't know they did one. I have my own RSS feed at www.kruse.co.uk/tsunami.xml but it's really me doing my Mr Angry bit to get familiar with the technology. I doubt it gets read by anyone. I don't see the big deal about "creating" a RSS feed. Unless you create something worth copying I don't see the point. |
much. But I've learned a lot. One of my former clients could really
use it to good effect but I can't talk them round to it.
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That's just one section of one site. Will be creating a set of sites like those for every author I've listed and other sites for other products (would not be surprised to find I've got a million pages like these indexed within 12 months). With the addition of a random link on each page they can be used to not only gain traffic in their own right, but as pages to link to other important pages. they aren't on-topic though, for anything outside their limited field. There is a lot of scope if you go for semi relevant, but there will be sites that you just can't create a reasonable sized Amazon store for. Look at the sections added to the SEO Gold site, the Search Engine books is highly relevant, |
wouldn't take much.
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the Website Design ones (like PHP Programming) are semi relevant. It would arguably suit me as I do author sites anyway - walk down my road and my front window is the one half-filled with books! True! I have around 15,000. I believe you, we have over 3,000 books. I think with 15,000 we'd need to use some as table legs etc... to find room for them :-) |
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We already have 4 to the ceiling bookshelves that are completely filled with books. I barely get the time to read any more, but the kids go through books at a rate of several a day! You got to get proactive since your competition isn't sitting on it's hands. I *am* doing this! I actively encourage my clients to create their own pages on a diary type basis. Chock-full of relevant industry keywords and phrases. I've found small sites tend to do poorly in the SERPs no matter what the PR, there's only so many SERPs you can get per page. |
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If you want a lot of traffic (over 1,000 unique visitors a day) you need a large site. It's difficult when busy to find the time to create relevant content. I've been working on the SEO Tutorial for over two years now and still only done a handful of pages. What I did today changed a 20 page site into a 10,000+ page site over night (just got to wait for the bots to do there thing now). |
takes I must expand it. Sometime things you don't expect to do well do
great.
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