Re: Google Adding Previously Dropped Pages

<usenet2006 (AT) THE-DOMAIN-IN (DOT) SIG> wrote:

According to yourcache.com, on of my sites had this...

13 July - About 10K pages listed

27 July - 9500 listed on a few datacentres, but less than 1K on
most.

7th August - "-1" on several, 10K on some datacentres, and 100K
(yes, one hundred thousand) on others.

Anybody else seeing this?

site: doesn't work correctly. Has been fubar for quite some time now, I
get still 10,000+ pages. I wish, since then I would have 30,000+ visitors
:-D.

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__/ [ John Bokma ] on Monday 07 August 2006 06:28 \__

usenet2006 (AT) THE-DOMAIN-IN (DOT) SIG> wrote:

According to yourcache.com, on of my sites had this...

13 July - About 10K pages listed

27 July - 9500 listed on a few datacentres, but less than 1K on
most.

7th August - "-1" on several, 10K on some datacentres, and 100K
(yes, one hundred thousand) on others.

Anybody else seeing this?

site: doesn't work correctly. Has been fubar for quite some time now, I
get still 10,000+ pages. I wish, since then I would have 30,000+ visitors
:-D.

I have recently been running a lot of parallel lookups for
number of indexed pages. I was using Darren's useful script,
which probes dozens of datacentres in turn. I tried a page
count yesterday, having read the OP's post. It's still
unstable and not so encouraging.

Ever since that/those blackhat/s with 10 billion subsites
hit the Web I have never been able to 'recuperate'. Google
hasn't indexed as much, nor has it delivered as many
referrals since. That all began around March this year (some
Webmasters got dropped earlier). All in all, I agree with
John. Just ignore these numbers, but things appear to
stablise gradually. Still inconsistent and still awkward
nonetheless... blame the blackhats that knocked Google's off
balance.

Best wishes,

Roy

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Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

__/ [ John Bokma ] on Monday 07 August 2006 06:28 \__

[..]

Ever since that/those blackhat/s with 10 billion subsites
hit the Web I have never been able to 'recuperate'.

I, shortly, after they dropped that spammer. But also before he was in the
picture site: didn't work IIRC. Things changed by the end of January IIRC.

Google
hasn't indexed as much, nor has it delivered as many
referrals since. That all began around March this year (some
Webmasters got dropped earlier). All in all, I agree with
John. Just ignore these numbers, but things appear to
stablise gradually.

Yup, I have the same feeling, slowly things seem to go back to usual.
Pages get picked up at normal speed (or close to) is my experience for the
past month or so.


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John Bokma wrote:

Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

__/ [ John Bokma ] on Monday 07 August 2006 06:28 \__


[..]

Ever since that/those blackhat/s with 10 billion subsites
hit the Web I have never been able to 'recuperate'.

I, shortly, after they dropped that spammer. But also before he was in the
picture site: didn't work IIRC. Things changed by the end of January IIRC.


Google
hasn't indexed as much, nor has it delivered as many
referrals since. That all began around March this year (some
Webmasters got dropped earlier). All in all, I agree with
John. Just ignore these numbers, but things appear to
stablise gradually.

Yup, I have the same feeling, slowly things seem to go back to usual.
Pages get picked up at normal speed (or close to) is my experience for the
past month or so.

From my observations:

I watch four different keyphrase niche markets closely. Each seems to
be doing the same weird rolling-of-the-dice thing, but at different
times. One day this SERP gets the big shake-up, two days later, another
sector. The whole process is like the scooping up of web pages, running
through the filters and spitting them out last for about two weeks,
there is a two or three day settling period then it starts all over
again.

This almost seems part of the regular refreshing of data and it looks
like it is here to stay. Perhaps the continual instabilities are part
of the new way Google reviews and ranks web pages. I think it a way to
shake off some of the fluff (replicated content, useless content and
machine generated pages).

It is almost like the search engine picks a chunks of keyphrase markets
and runs them through a new washing machine. If a web page happens to
be one in its scoop then that particular web page gets a reviewed
during the keyphrase market shakes up. It all spits back out basically
the same in the end but a new process is involved in the delivery of
the SERPs, a comparison filtering of sorts.

Maybe Google is trying something else to replace its previous pitiful
attempt at tring to be intelligent. The last couple of attempt at it
are still broken and being exploited.

I spent an hour on Google Accessible last night and even asked Matt a
question regarding their latest filtering technologies and where they
are going with this. It is obvious that Google has the technology to
eliminate the fluff in the SERPs. Accessible seems to more fairly rank
web pages based on the merit of the content within rather than from
forces external.

It just feels like the link strategists are in for a big surprise. I
see them disassembling one at a time. The days of creating a zillion
web pages for SEO purposes is coming to an end. All these empty forums
that people have been creating lately, so pointless. All these
directories; such a waste of time and space. Victory by volume of
repetition of anchors; a broken ranking factor.

I hope Google continues focusing its filtering systems on rewarding the
natural patterns of both links and language, with emphasis on what it
finds internally within the actual content (obviously they can find it
with Accessible) of the web page much more than how the web page is
made to appear externally.

--
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http://www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com/

On 7 Aug 2006 03:38:14 -0700, "canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

John Bokma wrote:
Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

__/ [ John Bokma ] on Monday 07 August 2006 06:28 \__


[..]

Ever since that/those blackhat/s with 10 billion subsites
hit the Web I have never been able to 'recuperate'.

I, shortly, after they dropped that spammer. But also before he was in the
picture site: didn't work IIRC. Things changed by the end of January IIRC.


Google
hasn't indexed as much, nor has it delivered as many
referrals since. That all began around March this year (some
Webmasters got dropped earlier). All in all, I agree with
John. Just ignore these numbers, but things appear to
stablise gradually.

Yup, I have the same feeling, slowly things seem to go back to usual.
Pages get picked up at normal speed (or close to) is my experience for the
past month or so.

From my observations:

I watch four different keyphrase niche markets closely. Each seems to
be doing the same weird rolling-of-the-dice thing, but at different
times. One day this SERP gets the big shake-up, two days later, another
sector. The whole process is like the scooping up of web pages, running
through the filters and spitting them out last for about two weeks,
there is a two or three day settling period then it starts all over
again.

This almost seems part of the regular refreshing of data and it looks
like it is here to stay. Perhaps the continual instabilities are part
of the new way Google reviews and ranks web pages. I think it a way to
shake off some of the fluff (replicated content, useless content and
machine generated pages).

It is almost like the search engine picks a chunks of keyphrase markets
and runs them through a new washing machine. If a web page happens to
be one in its scoop then that particular web page gets a reviewed
during the keyphrase market shakes up. It all spits back out basically
the same in the end but a new process is involved in the delivery of
the SERPs, a comparison filtering of sorts.

Um. I've noticed that pages ascend in a series of fits and starts as
opposed to the smooth post-dance rise we used to experience.

Maybe Google is trying something else to replace its previous pitiful
attempt at tring to be intelligent. The last couple of attempt at it
are still broken and being exploited.

I spent an hour on Google Accessible last night and even asked Matt a
question regarding their latest filtering technologies and where they
are going with this. It is obvious that Google has the technology to
eliminate the fluff in the SERPs. Accessible seems to more fairly rank
web pages based on the merit of the content within rather than from
forces external.

It has to, doesn't it? How could blind people read the links to the
site? Google have now got their own in-house version of MSN where
on-page factors rule the day.

It just feels like the link strategists are in for a big surprise. I
see them disassembling one at a time. The days of creating a zillion
web pages for SEO purposes is coming to an end. All these empty forums
that people have been creating lately, so pointless. All these
directories; such a waste of time and space. Victory by volume of
repetition of anchors; a broken ranking factor.

Noooooo - I like internal link strategies!

I hope Google continues focusing its filtering systems on rewarding the
natural patterns of both links and language, with emphasis on what it
finds internally within the actual content (obviously they can find it
with Accessible) of the web page much more than how the web page is
made to appear externally.

Then they go back in part to how they were pre-Florida. Only,
hopefully, better at it. Maybe they'll find an excuse to come up with
a Yahoo clone now. Deaf people, maybe, a search engine for the deaf
that exactly matches the Yahoo algorithm. God I'm good - how come
Google are phoning Roy and not me? Sniff...

BB
--
http://www.here-be-posters.co.uk/mar...e-pictures.htm
http://www.kruse.co.uk/seo-maintenance.htm
http://www.crystal-liaison.com/artis...una-glass.html

Big Bill wrote:

<snip>

It just feels like the link strategists are in for a big surprise. I
see them disassembling one at a time. The days of creating a zillion
web pages for SEO purposes is coming to an end. All these empty forums
that people have been creating lately, so pointless. All these
directories; such a waste of time and space. Victory by volume of
repetition of anchors; a broken ranking factor.

Noooooo - I like internal link strategies!

I was referring to external linking strategies.

I hope Google continues focusing its filtering systems on rewarding the
natural patterns of both links and language, with emphasis on what it
finds internally within the actual content (obviously they can find it
with Accessible) of the web page much more than how the web page is
made to appear externally.

Then they go back in part to how they were pre-Florida. Only,
hopefully, better at it. Maybe they'll find an excuse to come up with
a Yahoo clone now. Deaf people, maybe, a search engine for the deaf
that exactly matches the Yahoo algorithm. God I'm good - how come
Google are phoning Roy and not me? Sniff...

BB
--
http://www.here-be-posters.co.uk/mar...e-pictures.htm
http://www.kruse.co.uk/seo-maintenance.htm
http://www.crystal-liaison.com/artis...una-glass.html

.... in time.

Its 7AM in the James Bay frontier. I had coffee 2.0 already, 4.2
cigarettes and I'm ready to go ...

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On 7 Aug 2006 04:28:38 -0700, "canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

Big Bill wrote:

snip

It just feels like the link strategists are in for a big surprise. I
see them disassembling one at a time. The days of creating a zillion
web pages for SEO purposes is coming to an end. All these empty forums
that people have been creating lately, so pointless. All these
directories; such a waste of time and space. Victory by volume of
repetition of anchors; a broken ranking factor.

Noooooo - I like internal link strategies!

I was referring to external linking strategies.

I hope Google continues focusing its filtering systems on rewarding the
natural patterns of both links and language, with emphasis on what it
finds internally within the actual content (obviously they can find it
with Accessible) of the web page much more than how the web page is
made to appear externally.

Then they go back in part to how they were pre-Florida. Only,
hopefully, better at it. Maybe they'll find an excuse to come up with
a Yahoo clone now. Deaf people, maybe, a search engine for the deaf
that exactly matches the Yahoo algorithm. God I'm good - how come
Google are phoning Roy and not me? Sniff...

BB
--
http://www.here-be-posters.co.uk/mar...e-pictures.htm
http://www.kruse.co.uk/seo-maintenance.htm
http://www.crystal-liaison.com/artis...una-glass.html

... in time.

Its 7AM in the James Bay frontier. I had coffee 2.0 already, 4.2
cigarettes and I'm ready to go ...

Your sig's bigger than my posts!

BB
--
http://www.here-be-posters.co.uk/mar...e-pictures.htm
http://www.kruse.co.uk/seo-maintenance.htm
http://www.crystal-liaison.com/artis...una-glass.html

Big Bill wrote:

On 7 Aug 2006 04:28:38 -0700, "canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com
wrote:


Big Bill wrote:

snip

It just feels like the link strategists are in for a big surprise. I
see them disassembling one at a time. The days of creating a zillion
web pages for SEO purposes is coming to an end. All these empty forums
that people have been creating lately, so pointless. All these
directories; such a waste of time and space. Victory by volume of
repetition of anchors; a broken ranking factor.

Noooooo - I like internal link strategies!

I was referring to external linking strategies.

I hope Google continues focusing its filtering systems on rewarding the
natural patterns of both links and language, with emphasis on what it
finds internally within the actual content (obviously they can find it
with Accessible) of the web page much more than how the web page is
made to appear externally.

Then they go back in part to how they were pre-Florida. Only,
hopefully, better at it. Maybe they'll find an excuse to come up with
a Yahoo clone now. Deaf people, maybe, a search engine for the deaf
that exactly matches the Yahoo algorithm. God I'm good - how come
Google are phoning Roy and not me? Sniff...

BB
--
http://www.here-be-posters.co.uk/mar...e-pictures.htm
http://www.kruse.co.uk/seo-maintenance.htm
http://www.crystal-liaison.com/artis...una-glass.html

... in time.

Its 7AM in the James Bay frontier. I had coffee 2.0 already, 4.2
cigarettes and I'm ready to go ...

Your sig's bigger than my posts!

Testing a language relationship theory I came up with in my sleep. I'll
know the results in five days to a week. I'm looking for something I'm
missing ... missing a piece, a big piece. I can't figure out why my
rezultz web site stagnated. It is dead, not moving anymore. It is
stuck, doesn't want to advance. I made the sacrifices, now I need to be
more innovative. Any ideas?

I'm analyzing competitors. Huge machines to compete against. The little
guy needs to find a way to topple these powerhouses and my fishing
angle lately has been in the use and pattern of the languages.

I am convinced that the latest round of filtering improvements is
intended to determine validity of apparent importance that is suggested
to the search engine from external sources. Why not take the external
data and match it with natural language patterns found within the
entire web site, and its associate support sites. This seems to be a
direction that the search engines need to continue travelling.

I'm in the middle of reviewing my theories about how content alone
should be sufficient to rank well in competitive SERPs.

What exactly is the relationship between associated ( anchor linked )
web pages. It can't be rewarding by shear volume of repetitions, gotta'
be more to it that. I think that in order for the well-crafted content
to have a significant impact in the SERPs, it has to have some help
from the outside.

I think it must be a very tight network in order for language factors
to have a significantly positive affect.

What I did this morning, was group flowing text with keyphrase anchors
pointly to a tightly woven network, only two sites in it. I know my
keyphrase competitors in and out so I'll sense the effect.

A sig is a perfect place toi test a textual flow, I see it all the
time, although most sigs like this are more natural, lately and wonder
of its value.

I tried three ( what I consider extremes ) this morning, including this
one in three different places.

--
checking SEO stuff all the time
http://www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com/

On 7 Aug 2006 05:19:33 -0700, "canadafred" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

Its 7AM in the James Bay frontier. I had coffee 2.0 already, 4.2
cigarettes and I'm ready to go ...

Your sig's bigger than my posts!

Testing a language relationship theory I came up with in my sleep. I'll
know the results in five days to a week. I'm looking for something I'm
missing ...

tempting to suggest here that you may be away for a while...

missing a piece, a big piece. I can't figure out why my
rezultz web site stagnated. It is dead, not moving anymore. It is
stuck, doesn't want to advance. I made the sacrifices, now I need to be
more innovative. Any ideas?

Yeah, dress warm and don't forget to write.

I'm analyzing competitors. Huge machines to compete against. The little
guy needs to find a way to topple these powerhouses and my fishing
angle lately has been in the use and pattern of the languages.

I am convinced that the latest round of filtering improvements is
intended to determine validity of apparent importance that is suggested
to the search engine from external sources. Why not take the external
data and match it with natural language patterns found within the
entire web site, and its associate support sites. This seems to be a
direction that the search engines need to continue travelling.

I'm in the middle of reviewing my theories about how content alone
should be sufficient to rank well in competitive SERPs.

Content must not exist in an island. there must be bridges to it for
others to discover it. Content undiscovered remains invisible to the
engines no matter its worth.

BB
--
http://www.here-be-posters.co.uk/mar...e-pictures.htm
http://www.kruse.co.uk/seo-maintenance.htm
http://www.crystal-liaison.com/artis...una-glass.html

Big Bill wrote:

<snip>

Content must not exist in an island. there must be bridges to it for
others to discover it. Content undiscovered remains invisible to the
engines no matter its worth.

That's the common theory and I have every reason to believe to be a
reasonable. Google even suggest this, so that it knows the site exists.
That guarantees it a recrawl. One link is all it takes to get the page
in the SERPs.

Well, then the arguments in my head begin: Theoretically 0 links are
required to get the web page in queue, one can still submit a web page
manually. So I ask myself: Now that the web page has been manually
submitted, why can't this web page with 0 links to it beat out another
web page with 1 link to it or 1000 links for that matter? The theory
starts to fall apart in my head at that point.

It is like the trendy pursuit for PR. it is so useless. How come a PR1
can beat a PR7 when both are obviously trying for the same nich
keyphrase. How come? Well, because PR has little effect in the SERPs
obviously. So why does a 2 beat a 1 and a 4 beat a 5 ... can a 0 beat a
10, I think it could if there could be a market condition that opened
up for that opportunity.

I'm just still trying to create the 0 links PR 0 web page powerhouse.
Maybe it is a waste of time but I need to know.

--
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