Re: Fixing Dirt Filthy Front Page Code

On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 17:52:57 GMT, "Steve Horrillo"
<usenet (AT) stephenhorrillo (DOT) com> wrote:

Al the website's in my sig were designed with Front Page. When I use Front
Pages error check it's showing me dozens of errors. I'm not blaming FP being
that I did a lot of moving things around and changing fonts. But please take
a look at the source for say, www.brokeragenttraing.com or
www.over100percent.com. It amazes me it even works. The extra tags are just
over the top! Is there any quick way to clean up this awful code? I remember
Jimco had some utilities for that but will it work on a mess like I have?

In My Experience, frontpage is okay as a HTML editor providing you
dont let it do anything, it looks very much like your site utilises
the frontpage bots and javascript such as form validation and hovers
and button animations etc.

Learn to make these yourself, dont touch frontpage bots or objects and
your code will be pretty fine

It doesnt take much, and in fact, you can do things like button
rollovers using css without any coding, which look just as good and in
most cases withh index better with the search engines etc. as well as
being better for accessibility reasons.

I use wysiwyg packages to save me time, but when it comes down to
doing anything clever, forget the routines they provide and select the
HTML editor view

Craig
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On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 17:10:06 GMT, "Steve Horrillo"
<usenet (AT) stephenhorrillo (DOT) com> wrote:

On 4-Jul-2005, Craig <lookatmy (AT) fullname (DOT) com> wrote:

Learn to make these yourself, dont touch frontpage bots or objects and
your code will be pretty fine

Which features should I stay away from?

Basically stay away from:

- Frontpage Themes
- Anything that says "Dynamic" including dynamic web templates
- Interactive Buttons
- ANY OF THE WEB COMPONENTS (I know this is the type of thing that
makes frontpage ideal for novice users)

The best thing is to use it purely as a HTML editor, only use it for
standard HTML things such as images, tables, divs, text formatting
etc. and for any of the clever stuff, learn javascript, asp or php, or
use the code from one of the many javascript or code libraries, they
are often much better written for browser compatibility and its not
hidden away so you get to learn how these things work

Hope this helps a little.

Craig
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Craig Pickles <reply2craig (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

- Anything that says "Dynamic" including dynamic web templates

Google, and other webspiders can't see if a page is dynamic or not based on
what you send out. So those spiders guess on how the URL looks. If you
remove the "dynamic giveaways" from the URL, you can perfectly use a
dynamic web template.

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On Mon, 04 Jul 2005 15:53:17 +0100, Craig <lookatmy (AT) fullname (DOT) com>
wrote:

On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 17:52:57 GMT, "Steve Horrillo"
usenet (AT) stephenhorrillo (DOT) com> wrote:

Al the website's in my sig were designed with Front Page. When I use Front
Pages error check it's showing me dozens of errors. I'm not blaming FP being
that I did a lot of moving things around and changing fonts. But please take
a look at the source for say, www.brokeragenttraing.com or
www.over100percent.com. It amazes me it even works. The extra tags are just
over the top! Is there any quick way to clean up this awful code? I remember
Jimco had some utilities for that but will it work on a mess like I have?

In My Experience, frontpage is okay as a HTML editor providing you
dont let it do anything,

like write web sites, presumably. I agree. I'm starting to warm to
Craig.

it looks very much like your site utilises
the frontpage bots and javascript such as form validation and hovers
and button animations etc.

Learn to make these yourself, dont touch frontpage bots or objects and
your code will be pretty fine

It doesnt take much, and in fact, you can do things like button
rollovers using css without any coding, which look just as good and in
most cases withh index better with the search engines etc. as well as
being better for accessibility reasons.

I use wysiwyg packages to save me time, but when it comes down to
doing anything clever,

edge of my seat, now...

forget the routines they provide and select the
HTML editor view

Craig
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Active member of the googuru community

What exactly is the googuru community, Craig? It's new to us out here
in the backwoods of search.

BB
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On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 17:10:06 GMT, "Steve Horrillo"
<usenet (AT) stephenhorrillo (DOT) com> wrote:

On 4-Jul-2005, Craig <lookatmy (AT) fullname (DOT) com> wrote:

Learn to make these yourself, dont touch frontpage bots or objects and
your code will be pretty fine

Which features should I stay away from?

Principal is the one that says "Buy me". Word has it, actually, that
the refcent one wasn't too bad compared to the others but many an seo
has whiled away happy and profitable hours turning FP code bloat into
something a server wouldn't be embarrassed to offer up to critical
view.

BB
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www.kruse.co.uk/ seo (AT) kruse (DOT) demon.co.uk
seo that watches the river flow...
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What exactly is the googuru community, Craig? It's new to us out here
in the backwoods of search.

What do you care?

Craig
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