question about javascript generated urls

#1

Urls generated by javascript and/or Flash aren't visible to
search engines, so any page that relies on client-side generation,
that does not ALSO print those links in some additional
search-engine-friendly way, is making a big SEO mistake.

That's been common message here in this group.
So, the questions:

If you do (for what ever reason) use javascript to generate
clickable URLs on a page, what is the best way to
make those links visible to search engines?

Is it satisfactory to put the comprehensive link list inside a
noscript block?

<noscript>
<a href="this.that.the.other.com/abc.html"> abc <a/>
</noscript>

Does that solve the SEO javascript-generated link problem?
Is that the best way? Or is there a better way?

Finally....developers do this because they like the dropdown
link menus they can instantiate with cut-and-paste javacript.

Finally:
But (more or less) the same dropdown menus can also
be created with server-side dynamic css techniques.
Are sometimes hidden, sometimes visible dropdown links
(made with css) visible to search engines?

#2

Quote:

Finally:
But (more or less) the same dropdown menus can also
be created with server-side dynamic css techniques.

....now that I think about it, most of that dynamic css stuff
relies on some level of javascript too, so I guess its more or less
the same.

#3

On 2 Oct 2006 10:54:27 -0700, "sandy" <Sandy.Pittendrigh (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

Quote:

Urls generated by javascript and/or Flash aren't visible to
search engines, so any page that relies on client-side generation,
that does not ALSO print those links in some additional
search-engine-friendly way, is making a big SEO mistake.

That's been common message here in this group.
So, the questions:

If you do (for what ever reason) use javascript to generate
clickable URLs on a page, what is the best way to
make those links visible to search engines?

Is it satisfactory to put the comprehensive link list inside a
noscript block?

noscript
a href="this.that.the.other.com/abc.html"> abc <a/
/noscript

Does that solve the SEO javascript-generated link problem?
Is that the best way? Or is there a better way?

Finally....developers do this because they like the dropdown
link menus they can instantiate with cut-and-paste javacript.

Finally:
But (more or less) the same dropdown menus can also
be created with server-side dynamic css techniques.
Are sometimes hidden, sometimes visible dropdown links
(made with css) visible to search engines?

That's a bit like asking, "What's been programmed ever in the
universe?" I don't know the answer to that one either. If in doubt,
build a sample and run it past a spider-sim.

BB
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#4

Big Bill wrote:

Quote:

That's a bit like asking, "What's been programmed ever in the
universe?" I don't know the answer to that one either. If in doubt,
build a sample and run it past a spider-sim.

......what kind of an answer is that?
I expect you (big bill) to know everything.
I guess I was just asking does a noscript
tag work? If someone I know pays too much
for a website and ends up with a bunch of
dropdown menu javascript links they paid
15 grand for, will those links get indexed by
Google, IF THEY are also put into a noscript
block.

My friend asked me and I confidently said
"yes, as long as they do the noscript trick"
But I wasn't as confident as I pretended to be.

That's why I asked world's foremost experts ;-)

#5

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sandy wrote:

Quote:

Big Bill wrote:

That's a bit like asking, "What's been programmed ever in the
universe?" I don't know the answer to that one either. If in doubt,
build a sample and run it past a spider-sim.

.....what kind of an answer is that?
I expect you (big bill) to know everything.
I guess I was just asking does a noscript
tag work? If someone I know pays too much
for a website and ends up with a bunch of
dropdown menu javascript links they paid
15 grand for, will those links get indexed by
Google, IF THEY are also put into a noscript
block.

My friend asked me and I confidently said
"yes, as long as they do the noscript trick"
But I wasn't as confident as I pretended to be.

That's why I asked world's foremost experts ;-)

#6

sandy wrote:

Quote:

Is it satisfactory to put the comprehensive link list inside a
noscript block?

Is it visible to search engines? -- I belive so. Are no-script links
considered as important to search engines? -- who knows?

Other option: put the links in the sitemap, although users without
JavaScript (like me) will not be able to navigate your site.

Quote:

Finally:
But (more or less) the same dropdown menus can also
be created with server-side dynamic css techniques.
Are sometimes hidden, sometimes visible dropdown links
(made with css) visible to search engines?

I would think so. (suckerfish-style)

Do you have Lynx? In their webmaster guidelines Google recommends using
that to view your pages.

#7

sandy wrote:

Quote:

Finally:
But (more or less) the same dropdown menus can also
be created with server-side dynamic css techniques.

...now that I think about it, most of that dynamic css stuff
relies on some level of javascript too, so I guess its more or less
the same.

Have you seen this?
http://alistapart.com/articles/dropdowns/

#8

On 2 Oct 2006 16:22:53 -0700, "sandy" <Sandy.Pittendrigh (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

Quote:

Big Bill wrote:

That's a bit like asking, "What's been programmed ever in the
universe?" I don't know the answer to that one either. If in doubt,
build a sample and run it past a spider-sim.

.....what kind of an answer is that?

It's an appropriate one. I don't know every combo of what's out there
and neither does anyone else.

Quote:

I expect you (big bill) to know everything.
I guess I was just asking does a noscript
tag work? If someone I know pays too much
for a website and ends up with a bunch of
dropdown menu javascript links they paid
15 grand for, will those links get indexed by
Google, IF THEY are also put into a noscript
block.

Accepted practice is to put them somewhere visually discreet in plain
ol'html.

Quote:

My friend asked me and I confidently said
"yes, as long as they do the noscript trick"
But I wasn't as confident as I pretended to be.

That's why I asked world's foremost experts ;-)

If they're javascripted links it's very likely they won't get
followed. Not impossible but very likely. Putting those same links
inside a noscript tag won't make a scrap of difference. So, offer a
pragmatic alternative for the engines to follow.
If we were the world's foremosts we'd be sipping daiquiris on the
beach somewhere, not slaves to our keyboards.

BB
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http://www.here-be-posters.co.uk/art-prints-sitemap.htm
http://www.here-be-posters.co.uk/lithographs.htm

#9

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:54:27 +0200, sandy <Sandy.Pittendrigh (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

Quote:

If you do (for what ever reason) use javascript to generate
clickable URLs on a page, what is the best way to
make those links visible to search engines?

Go for sitemap.

Quote:

But (more or less) the same dropdown menus can also
be created with server-side dynamic css techniques.
Are sometimes hidden, sometimes visible dropdown links
(made with css) visible to search engines?

css links are not visible when the page is rendered by your browser, but
they are all the time on the page (switch styles off to see how the page
looks like for search engine most of the time).

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#10

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:05:29 +0200, sandy <Sandy.Pittendrigh (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

Quote:

Finally:
But (more or less) the same dropdown menus can also
be created with server-side dynamic css techniques.

...now that I think about it, most of that dynamic css stuff
relies on some level of javascript too, so I guess its more or less
the same.