Purging old web address?

I'm in a situation that is probably played out tens of 1000's of time
each day.
I've closed my Yahoo website and put it up at another website.

I have notified Google of the address change.

I waited a month and when I do a search for the site name my old
address comes up at the top of the Google search. My new address
doesn't even show up at all!

So my question is:

How do I rid Google and other search engines of my old address?

I think part of the problem is that when you delete a website with
Yahoo it doesn't put up a 401 or 404 error message (whatever that
number is). Rather it puts up its own message saying the site no longer
exists. This Yahoo message page probably satisfies Google webcrawlers
into thinking that everything is OK.

Help would be appreciated. TIA

Ric

Jazzer wrote:

I think part of the problem is that when you delete a website with
Yahoo it doesn't put up a 401 or 404 error message (whatever that
number is). Rather it puts up its own message saying the site no longer
exists. This Yahoo message page probably satisfies Google webcrawlers
into thinking that everything is OK.

If your theory is correct, then the cache should be empty. The size of
your web page would be 2K or smaller. And, when somebody clicks on the
SERP for your old site, no one will find it.

Therefore, the long and the short of the search value of your old site
is zip.

Ergo, your old site is not adverserly affecting the SERPs of your new
site.

You should have kept both sites going at the same time, and used HTML
to automatically redirect to your new site using the Netscape HTML
extensions.

On 17 Oct 2006 20:19:22 -0700, "Jazzer" <googlejazzer (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
wrote:

I'm in a situation that is probably played out tens of 1000's of time
each day.
I've closed my Yahoo website and put it up at another website.

Um., your site that was on Yahoo web space is now hosted by another
ISP?

I have notified Google of the address change.

How would you have done that?

I waited a month and when I do a search for the site name my old
address comes up at the top of the Google search. My new address
doesn't even show up at all!

What exactly did you do with your domain name, you got a new one with
the old content shifted over or what exactly?

So my question is:

How do I rid Google and other search engines of my old address?

What was your old address, what's your new one?

BB
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On 18 Oct 2006 12:34:22 -0700,
"johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com"
<johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com> wrote:

Jazzer wrote:

I think part of the problem is that when you delete a website with
Yahoo it doesn't put up a 401 or 404 error message (whatever that
number is). Rather it puts up its own message saying the site no longer
exists. This Yahoo message page probably satisfies Google webcrawlers
into thinking that everything is OK.

If your theory is correct, then the cache should be empty. The size of
your web page would be 2K or smaller. And, when somebody clicks on the
SERP for your old site, no one will find it.

Therefore, the long and the short of the search value of your old site
is zip.

Ergo, your old site is not adverserly affecting the SERPs of your new
site.

You should have kept both sites going at the same time, and used HTML
to automatically redirect to your new site using the Netscape HTML
extensions.

Erm.... you seem to have arrived from some distant past and you don't
know what works today.

BB
--

http://www.kruse.co.uk/seo-sitemap.htm
http://www.here-be-posters.co.uk/art-prints-sitemap.htm
http://www.here-be-posters.co.uk/lithographs.htm

Big Bill wrote:

On 18 Oct 2006 12:34:22 -0700,
"johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com"
johngohde (AT) naturalhealthperspective (DOT) com> wrote:

Jazzer wrote:

I think part of the problem is that when you delete a website with
Yahoo it doesn't put up a 401 or 404 error message (whatever that
number is). Rather it puts up its own message saying the site no longer
exists. This Yahoo message page probably satisfies Google webcrawlers
into thinking that everything is OK.

If your theory is correct, then the cache should be empty. The size of
your web page would be 2K or smaller. And, when somebody clicks on the
SERP for your old site, no one will find it.

Therefore, the long and the short of the search value of your old site
is zip.

Ergo, your old site is not adverserly affecting the SERPs of your new
site.

You should have kept both sites going at the same time, and used HTML
to automatically redirect to your new site using the Netscape HTML
extensions.

Erm.... you seem to have arrived from some distant past and you don't
know what works today.

Gee, from your prior comment it appears that you are the one who is
lost.

While I am not personally familiar with Yahoo hosting, I would imagine
it to be a situation where the web site oberator does NOT have access
to the server logs, server, or anything close to being able to do a 301
redirect. Therefore, the next best thing is html to redirect.

All the major search engines say the same thing. When you site moves,
you should do a redirect. The only question is how.

Big Bill wrote:

I'm in a situation that is probably played out tens of 1000's of time
each day.
I've closed my Yahoo website and put it up at another website.

Um., your site that was on Yahoo web space is now hosted by another
ISP?

Hi Bill,

Thanks for helping out!

Yes. I took everything off Yahoo and copied the whole shebang to the
new site.
I waited a few weeks first before deleting from Yahoo ( thinking that
was plenty of time for Google to get their webcrawlers into action).

I have notified Google of the address change.

How would you have done that?

If you burrow down from Google's home page you eventually get to a
page where you can tell it your new website address.

I waited a month and when I do a search for the site name my old
address comes up at the top of the Google search. My new address
doesn't even show up at all!

What exactly did you do with your domain name, you got a new one with
the old content shifted over or what exactly?

My old name was tied to Yahoo, a screwy name. I have a shortened
name now with the other ISP and my content has simply been copied over.

So my question is:

How do I rid Google and other search engines of my old address?

What was your old address, what's your new one?

Old address:
ca.geocities.com/noisewatch (AT) rogers (DOT) com/

New address:
http://noisewatch.netfirms.com/

On 20 Oct 2006 18:17:22 -0700, "Jazzer" <googlejazzer (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
wrote:

Big Bill wrote:
I'm in a situation that is probably played out tens of 1000's of time
each day.
I've closed my Yahoo website and put it up at another website.

Um., your site that was on Yahoo web space is now hosted by another
ISP?


Hi Bill,

Thanks for helping out!

Yes. I took everything off Yahoo and copied the whole shebang to the
new site.
I waited a few weeks first before deleting from Yahoo ( thinking that
was plenty of time for Google to get their webcrawlers into action).


I have notified Google of the address change.

How would you have done that?

If you burrow down from Google's home page you eventually get to a
page where you can tell it your new website address.


I waited a month and when I do a search for the site name my old
address comes up at the top of the Google search. My new address
doesn't even show up at all!

What exactly did you do with your domain name, you got a new one with
the old content shifted over or what exactly?

My old name was tied to Yahoo, a screwy name. I have a shortened
name now with the other ISP and my content has simply been copied over.

Ah. :-(

So my question is:

How do I rid Google and other search engines of my old address?

Use the url removal tool.

http://services.google.com:8882/urlc...&lastcmd=login

What was your old address, what's your new one?

Old address:
ca.geocities.com/noisewatch (AT) rogers (DOT) com/

This seems to be an email address.

New address:
http://noisewatch.netfirms.com/

You're a boy for free web space, aren't you? Are you going to be able
to do a 301 from Netfirms when you need to?

BB
--

http://www.kruse.co.uk/seo-sitemap.htm
http://www.here-be-posters.co.uk/art-prints-sitemap.htm
http://www.here-be-posters.co.uk/lithographs.htm

Hi Bill,

How do I rid Google and other search engines of my old address?

Use the url removal tool.

http://services.google.com:8882/urlc...&lastcmd=login

I see, thanks! How did you find this? It must have taken some
digging!
Google doesn't make it easy to remove things from the internet.

Old address:
ca.geocities.com/noisewatch (AT) rogers (DOT) com/

This seems to be an email address.

That was the whole problem !!!
I noticed that right away when I set up the site.
Rogers Yahoo forces you to have a web address with an e-mail address
built into it.
It screams out "PLEASE SPAM ME!"

I called them about it several times and asked why only my e-mail
address that has this website address was getting spammed bigtime (my
other e-mail addresses with them remain spam-free). They said it
shouldn't make a difference!!! Yeah right.

So I deleted the website because of the spam I was receiving at the
related e-mail address. Make sense now?

New address:
http://noisewatch.netfirms.com/

You're a boy for free web space, aren't you? Are you going to be able
to do a 301 from Netfirms when you need to?

Well, this isn't a business. Not making any money from it.
What's a 301?

Thanks!

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:19:17 +0200, Jazzer <googlejazzer (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

You're a boy for free web space, aren't you? Are you going to be able
to do a 301 from Netfirms when you need to?

Well, this isn't a business. Not making any money from it.

Still, if you want to look serious you should invest several bucks into
hosting and domain - these things are dirt cheap these days.

What's a 301?

http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html

Permanent redirect.

Borek
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Borek wrote:

Well, this isn't a business. Not making any money from it.

Still, if you want to look serious you should invest several bucks into
hosting and domain - these things are dirt cheap these days.

Thanks Borek, you're right. It certainly doesn't look professional at
the moment.
I'll check out some of the other hosts and see what they have to offer.

What's a 301?

http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html

Permanent redirect.

Will that even re-direct after a response that Yahoo employs?
That is, they get a call for a web address (an old one that no longer
exists)
and instead of letting error messages do their thing, they throw up one
of their pages that states 'the website no longer exists'.