Proposal: What if We Started Flagging Non-SPAM Threads (Posts)?

____/ Jez on Thursday 31 January 2008 13:50 : \____

Andrew Heenan wrote:
"Andrew Heenan" <andrew3 (AT) heenan (DOT) net> wrote
GBB: is news.individual.net user friendly? is it a sensible layout?
10 Euros may be preferable to liberal use of the killfile!

Wow!

This is the New Me, 10 Euros lighter - once I found I could do it via
Outlook Express (Microsoft's only good program!), there was no point hanging on.

I can't be doing with the web-based setups - too slow!

Were you using a web based thing before then?

I have been using news.individual.net for nearly 3 years now and they
are well worth the money IMO - though from memory renewing was very
clunky last year.

(Microsoft's only good program!)

It's not as good as Thunderbird!

Jez.

Personally, I colour all GG posts (originating from Google that is) blue so I
can usually ignore them, especially when they are OPs. That's where the abuse
typically comes from.

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____/ Tonnie Lubbers on Thursday 31 January 2008 16:08 : \____

spammer schreef:
Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:
Here is a thought. Since like 80% of the threads here are most clearly
SPAM, what if we did the reverse of SPAM flagging and preceded our subject
lines by something like [AISE]? Most spammers are hit-and-runners, so they
won't get the trick around it. Think of it as white flagging that helps
separate ham
from spam.

udp / filter / drop / score -9999

message-id: <containing> *googlegroups*
references: <containing> *googlegroups*


so easy, a caveman could do it.

A caveman doesn't understand that there is more ...

Yes, grey-flagging/listing is better, but it still leaves burden and clutter.

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____/ John Bokma on Friday 01 February 2008 00:23 : \____

"Jezsta Web Productions" <use-our-email-form (AT) jezsta (DOT) com> wrote:

thing of how this group is. Not doing anything and letting it go
without trying to at least start decent discussions will keep it so.

Spam doesn't go away if we suddenly all start to post on-topic and
informative posts. Spam goes away by reporting it. I've given up, more or
less on that. The plan for spam seems still to be to filter it out,
despite years and years of proof that filtering *does not work*

Yes, at least someone tried to eradicate the issue. Thanks, John.

Anyway, most people here into SEO, if they had a long post on SEO, they
probably would put it on their site. I would (but damn, posting silly
posts on Usenet is so much less effort).

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Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

____/ John Bokma on Friday 01 February 2008 00:23 : \____

"Jezsta Web Productions" <use-our-email-form (AT) jezsta (DOT) com> wrote:

thing of how this group is. Not doing anything and letting it go
without trying to at least start decent discussions will keep it so.

Spam doesn't go away if we suddenly all start to post on-topic and
informative posts. Spam goes away by reporting it. I've given up,
more or less on that. The plan for spam seems still to be to filter
it out, despite years and years of proof that filtering *does not
work*

Yes, at least someone tried to eradicate the issue. Thanks, John.

You're welcome Roy ;-) I still report spam I get via my blog, and some I
get via email Currently Geocities is abused a lot, and I report the
spamvertized URLs. After some time spammers give up, if they notice that
those sites (which redirect to the real ones), are deleted after a short
time. But still, it's a major pain in the ass to contact ISPs, and some
just say: hey, just put a CAPTCHA on your site, are you a programmer or
what!?

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____/ John Bokma on Sunday 03 February 2008 00:40 : \____

Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

____/ John Bokma on Friday 01 February 2008 00:23 : \____

"Jezsta Web Productions" <use-our-email-form (AT) jezsta (DOT) com> wrote:

thing of how this group is. Not doing anything and letting it go
without trying to at least start decent discussions will keep it so.

Spam doesn't go away if we suddenly all start to post on-topic and
informative posts. Spam goes away by reporting it. I've given up,
more or less on that. The plan for spam seems still to be to filter
it out, despite years and years of proof that filtering *does not
work*

Yes, at least someone tried to eradicate the issue. Thanks, John.

You're welcome Roy ;-) I still report spam I get via my blog, and some I
get via email Currently Geocities is abused a lot, and I report the
spamvertized URLs. After some time spammers give up, if they notice that
those sites (which redirect to the real ones), are deleted after a short
time. But still, it's a major pain in the ass to contact ISPs, and some
just say: hey, just put a CAPTCHA on your site, are you a programmer or
what!?

Have you gotten that linux.com problem sorted out at the end?
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Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

Have you gotten that linux.com problem sorted out at the end?

Heh, yeah, when I posted a comment on a new article explaining (again) the
issue, it was fixed within a short time. Either that, or the several
emails to them finally arrived.

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On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 08:25:00 +0000, Roy Schestowitz
<newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

Yes, at least someone tried to eradicate the issue. Thanks, John.

John wasn't the only one
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____/ Paul on Wednesday 06 February 2008 20:47 : \____

On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 08:25:00 +0000, Roy Schestowitz
newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

Yes, at least someone tried to eradicate the issue. Thanks, John.

John wasn't the only one

Did he write about it here?

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On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:28:26 +0000, Roy Schestowitz
<newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

____/ Paul on Wednesday 06 February 2008 20:47 : \____

On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 08:25:00 +0000, Roy Schestowitz
newsgroups (AT) schestowitz (DOT) com> wrote:

Yes, at least someone tried to eradicate the issue. Thanks, John.

John wasn't the only one

Did he write about it here?

I was on about reporting spam, Roy

I haven't seen anything from John lately. So, I guess not.

plh
Paul

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