Ponders concerning rel="nofollow"

David <seodave (AT) search-engine-optimization-services (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

On 10 Sep 2006 02:00:23 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

Yup, and you're right, there are plenty of sites out there, including
many wikis that supports Google's idiotic idea on how to tackle spam.
The point is most people are not aware of the whole thing because it's
silently added to plenty of software. MediaWiki *defaults* to
nofollow, at least the install I have at home. So does WordPress, and
probably plenty of other software. Clueless developers, clueless
users.

Easy to remove the nofollow from WordPress.

The problem is that I have had contact with several users who had no idea
what nofollow was :-). The issue is that it's default on. When I explained
it to people, they turned it off :-)

I would strongly recommend to WordPress et al to turn it default off, and
keep comments moderated default on (which it is IIRC). I am not going to
contact them by myself, because I have bumped enough into walls of
ignorance and ego for a while.

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On 10 Sep 2006 16:04:07 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

Paul <lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 10 Sep 2006 04:49:24 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

[..]

It's over-rated and over-hyped.

Ok, a personal opinion.

Yep. Apparently, we are still allowed them.

rel="personalopinionfollow" <G>

Wiki this, wiki that.

I have one on my computer. I consider it way more convenient compared to
bookmarks. Now I can group bookmarks *and* add comments to them. Also
the search works way better IMO.

That's you. I am me.

Yup, like overrated/hyped is you :-).

Meeeeeeeeoooow LOL

Same way bloody blogs went.
And all the offshoots. I prefer Britannica myself.

You again mix up Wikipedia and wiki. It's like calling SE's shit while
you mean Google :-)

Only cos I am not familar with it. Just like mobile phones. Don't like
them. Don't want nothing to do with them.

Same here. I have one, but only because we have no landline (I in general
don't like phones :-) ). I had the same with PDAs. But OTOH I know that
once one starts to use something, the opinion might be changed. It's not
good to call something overrated and overhyped just because you see it pop
up often. I mean, people call Google overhyped and overrated. A lot who do
rank poor or very poor in Google :-)

Why the need for all these wiki's ? Cannot just one do ? And have it
in different languages.

Sorry, but it will become too much and the world will flooded with
wikisomethingorother.

[...]

Yeah, said in a way. I think I reported that site 4-5 times, but still
one can create blogspot blogs and use JavaScript redirect. Google could
scan for such abuse with a simple piece of code. Is it happening? No.
Why not, I wonder... Could Google be afraid that if it pisses of enough
spammers that they will get into trouble?

I am somewhat puzzled as to why they do so little over this.

Fear?

I doubt it. Not with their money and lawyers.
plh
Paul

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On 10 Sep 2006 16:08:09 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

The problem is that I have had contact with several users who had no idea
what nofollow was :-). The issue is that it's default on. When I explained
it to people, they turned it off :-)

Why not make it a blog so the world will know and then you can just
point your users to it. Saves explaining it time and time again.

plh
Paul

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Paul <lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

Why the need for all these wiki's ? Cannot just one do ? And have it
in different languages.

Paul, you keep mixing up wiki and Wikipedia I guess. A wiki is a concept.
Wikipedia uses WikiMedia (software). Anyone can use WikiMedia, and create
a wiki. No need to turn it into an online encyclopedia. Esme and I use it
to store notes, and our bookmarks. I don't want to store them in the
Wikipedia :-)

Sorry, but it will become too much and the world will flooded with
wikisomethingorother.

You now probably talk about people who use the content of Wikipedia on
their own site, or mirror Wikipedia. Yes, that sucks often. They forget
the important rule: easy content is easy for everybody.

Fear?

I doubt it. Not with their money and lawyers.

I am afraid I am somewhat right: entire countries go easy on spammers IMO.
And what's Google going to do when a spam gang outside the USA starts to
take them serious?

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Paul <lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 10 Sep 2006 16:08:09 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

The problem is that I have had contact with several users who had no
idea what nofollow was :-). The issue is that it's default on. When I
explained it to people, they turned it off :-)

Why not make it a blog so the world will know and then you can just
point your users to it. Saves explaining it time and time again.

It's on my todo list. The thing is, if I put my todo list online, 10 items
a page, I get more traffic then I can handle :-)

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Roy Schestowitz: I'm convinced. rel="nofollow" is, just as I expected,
pure evil. I will not be using them and probably rant against them in
the future.

__/ [ KimmoA ] on Sunday 10 September 2006 18:23 \__

Roy Schestowitz: I'm convinced. rel="nofollow" is, just as I expected,
pure evil. I will not be using them and probably rant against them in
the future.

Please do. Spread the word!

On 10 Sep 2006 16:37:15 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

Paul <lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

Why the need for all these wiki's ? Cannot just one do ? And have it
in different languages.

Paul, you keep mixing up wiki and Wikipedia I guess.

I guess.
Afterall, lots of long words are abbreviated. Easy mistake to make.

A wiki is a concept. Wikipedia uses WikiMedia (software). Anyone can use WikiMedia, and create
a wiki. No need to turn it into an online encyclopedia. Esme and I use it
to store notes, and our bookmarks. I don't want to store them in the
Wikipedia :-)

Sorry, but it will become too much and the world will flooded with
wikisomethingorother.

You now probably talk about people who use the content of Wikipedia on
their own site, or mirror Wikipedia. Yes, that sucks often.

Yep.
Won't be long before someone starts a package where you have a blog
and wiki installed on default :/

They forget the important rule: easy content is easy for everybody.

Fear?

I doubt it. Not with their money and lawyers.

I am afraid I am somewhat right: entire countries go easy on spammers IMO.
And what's Google going to do when a spam gang outside the USA starts to
take them serious?

Lets hope you're wrong.

plh
Paul

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Paul <lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 10 Sep 2006 16:37:15 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

Paul <lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

Why the need for all these wiki's ? Cannot just one do ? And have it
in different languages.

Paul, you keep mixing up wiki and Wikipedia I guess.

I guess.
Afterall, lots of long words are abbreviated. Easy mistake to make.

Yup very true. wiki in itself is already short for wiki wiki :-)

You now probably talk about people who use the content of Wikipedia on
their own site, or mirror Wikipedia. Yes, that sucks often.

Yep.
Won't be long before someone starts a package where you have a blog
and wiki installed on default :/

LOL, with CPanel one can install a blog and a wiki AFAIK with 2 mouse
clicks and entering some values. So we're already getting close.

I am afraid I am somewhat right: entire countries go easy on spammers
IMO. And what's Google going to do when a spam gang outside the USA
starts to take them serious?

Lets hope you're wrong.

Aye. I saw bluefrog being ddosed of the net. And that was IIRC just one
angry spammer.

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On 10 Sep 2006 20:06:58 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

Paul <lamewolf2004[REMOVE]@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 10 Sep 2006 16:37:15 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

[...]

Paul, you keep mixing up wiki and Wikipedia I guess.

I guess.
Afterall, lots of long words are abbreviated. Easy mistake to make.

Yup very true. wiki in itself is already short for wiki wiki :-)

<shakes head>

You now probably talk about people who use the content of Wikipedia on
their own site, or mirror Wikipedia. Yes, that sucks often.

Yep.
Won't be long before someone starts a package where you have a blog
and wiki installed on default :/

LOL, with CPanel one can install a blog and a wiki AFAIK with 2 mouse
clicks and entering some values. So we're already getting close.

I'm not on a Linux server

I am afraid I am somewhat right: entire countries go easy on spammers
IMO. And what's Google going to do when a spam gang outside the USA
starts to take them serious?

Lets hope you're wrong.

Aye. I saw bluefrog being ddosed of the net. And that was IIRC just one
angry spammer.

Who, no doubt has the FBI etc onto him

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