Please have a look.Can you advise?

Hi Folks

I use a script on my site ( see
www.internetholidays.co.uk/cheapholidays.htm ) .
On mouseover it shows a selected company and their details.

Now. I know search engines have probs reading this but the question is.
Is their a similar type of thing available that search engines will crawl.

The reason being, without something new, there is no content on my site and
it's going
to be difficult to optimise my pages.
I want users to do as little scrolling as possible, which is why I don't
want to use tables.

Many thanks for any help

Mick

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 20:17:52 +0000, Mick wrote:

Hi Folks

I use a script on my site ( see
www.internetholidays.co.uk/cheapholidays.htm ) .
On mouseover it shows a selected company and their details.

Now. I know search engines have probs reading this but the question is.
Is their a similar type of thing available that search engines will crawl.

Do you mean like ALT tags?

Hi Mick,
I really cannot see any advantage for visitors on your site. You just show
other web sites within your frames pages. Are you an affiliate with all
those travel sites? Why do you think your site will get hight listings
within other travel sites such as expedia, hotels.com and so on. People just
type in expedia.com or hotels.com to get travel and holiday deals. BTW I
don't believe that expedia did list their site on yours.
To answer your question - spider might follow your link to that particular
frameset but you just high jack a different web site in your frameset and
this way you also make Google angry because this is the present situation in
Google - especially in Europe - hundreds of thousands of domains without own
or just duplicated content - all without any advantage.
Sorry, I don't want to sound harsh but some like that makes my angry - there
is no way to make any business on the web your way because this is not a
real deal, this taste just bitter and chase visitors away - if this web site
gets visitors at all.

Tony

"Mick" <mickdee (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote

Hi Folks

I use a script on my site ( see
www.internetholidays.co.uk/cheapholidays.htm ) .
On mouseover it shows a selected company and their details.

Now. I know search engines have probs reading this but the question is.
Is their a similar type of thing available that search engines will crawl.

The reason being, without something new, there is no content on my site
and
it's going
to be difficult to optimise my pages.
I want users to do as little scrolling as possible, which is why I don't
want to use tables.

Many thanks for any help

Mick

"Tony" wrote> Hi Mick,

I really cannot see any advantage for visitors on your site. You just show
other web sites within your frames pages. Are you an affiliate with all
those travel sites? Why do you think your site will get hight listings
within other travel sites such as expedia, hotels.com and so on. People
just
type in expedia.com or hotels.com to get travel and holiday deals. BTW I
don't believe that expedia did list their site on yours.
To answer your question - spider might follow your link to that particular
frameset but you just high jack a different web site in your frameset and
this way you also make Google angry because this is the present situation
in
Google - especially in Europe - hundreds of thousands of domains without
own
or just duplicated content - all without any advantage.
Sorry, I don't want to sound harsh but some like that makes my angry -
there
is no way to make any business on the web your way because this is not a
real deal, this taste just bitter and chase visitors away - if this web
site
gets visitors at all.

Hi Tony.

Firstly to answer your concerns:

" within other travel sites such as expedia, hotels.com and so on. People
just
type in expedia.com or hotels.com to get travel and holiday deals"

Not all people on the net know who to search for and where. The site was
designed 4 years ago
with the idea of helping people locate UK travel websites without using
search engines.
A quick guide if you like.

"there is no way to make any business on the web your way because this is
not a real deal,"

I gave up my full time job because I make more money from this website

" this taste just bitter and chase visitors away - if this web site gets
visitors at all.!"

The website received 300,000 uniques in 2003 and I'm looking to build on
that in 2004.

Tony, I like to think of the site as a directory to help new users to the
internet and also a quick resource for
people who don't have the hours to spend searching and locating various
companies.

Personally. I don't see why this site shouldn't get listed highly.
It has done in the past and still does on many engines.

But I know I need more content, which was why I asked the original question.

Regards

Mick
..

Do you mean like ALT tags?

Hi

Well, No.
I would like the company descriptions to be read by spiders.
To use alt tags on text link would mean using a lot of space and mean people
scrolling, which I am trying to prevent but I appreciate the idea.

Thanks

Mick

"there is no way to make any business on the web your way because this is
not a real deal,"

I gave up my full time job because I make more money from this website


Regards

Mick

Mick... mind sharing how ???

Enquiring minds want to know

Jon

"Mick" <mickdee (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote in
news:c0be9g$8mf$1 (AT) sparta (DOT) btinternet.com:

Hi Folks

I use a script on my site ( see
www.internetholidays.co.uk/cheapholidays.htm ) .
On mouseover it shows a selected company and their details.

Now. I know search engines have probs reading this but the question
is. Is their a similar type of thing available that search engines
will crawl.

I can't get through to see that page at present.

But I'm guessing it uses some sort of javascript solution with the text
content all held in the javascript?

One solution would be to put the content into the text of the page,
stick a div round each item and use CSS to hide it.

Then use Javascript to change the css on each div to 'visible' on
mouseover (you might even be able to do it with css a:hover, depending
on how your page is structured, and not use .js at all).

Run a search for 'css tooltips' for some ideas and tutorials on similar
technologies.

This will also give you the advantage that users without js will be able
to use it, even if it isn't as pretty for them.

This approach will put all your content into one monstrous page though,
which still isn't a great search engine strategy.

Search engines on the whole tend to like lots of pages all targeted at
one search each, rather than one big page with lots and lots of possible
search terms.

Victoria

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http://www.clareassoc.co.uk/
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I gave up my full time job because I make more money from this website
Mick... mind sharing how ???

I'm interested in Mick's reply, too... but if you're selling software, or
thinking about selling software, a very good resource for "how" are also the
private resources of the ASP, the Association of Shareware Professionals.
Membership is only $100/year, and most people feel they received their
money's worth within an hour of browsing the messages on the private
newsgroups. You also have access to all their previous monthly newsletters,
which you can search, and there is some excellent information there. There
are also a lot of people who don't know very much yet, but it doesn't take
very long before you can tell the difference.

--
Susan Pichotta
Ace Icons www.aceicons.com
San Antonio, Texas

Sorry, forgot the URL: http://www.asp-shareware.org

--
Susan Pichotta
Ace Icons www.aceicons.com
San Antonio, Texas

"Ace Icons" <susanNO (AT) SPAMMaceicons (DOT) com> wrote

I gave up my full time job because I make more money from this website
Mick... mind sharing how ???

I'm interested in Mick's reply, too... but if you're selling software, or
thinking about selling software, a very good resource for "how" are also
the
private resources of the ASP, the Association of Shareware Professionals.
Membership is only $100/year, and most people feel they received their
money's worth within an hour of browsing the messages on the private
newsgroups. You also have access to all their previous monthly
newsletters,
which you can search, and there is some excellent information there.
There
are also a lot of people who don't know very much yet, but it doesn't take
very long before you can tell the difference.

--
Susan Pichotta
Ace Icons www.aceicons.com
San Antonio, Texas

"Victoria Clare" <victoria (AT) markpoles (DOT) org.uk> wrote

"Mick" <mickdee (AT) btinternet (DOT) com> wrote in
news:c0be9g$8mf$1 (AT) sparta (DOT) btinternet.com:

Hi Folks

I use a script on my site ( see
www.internetholidays.co.uk/cheapholidays.htm ) .
On mouseover it shows a selected company and their details.

Now. I know search engines have probs reading this but the question
is. Is their a similar type of thing available that search engines
will crawl.


I can't get through to see that page at present.

But I'm guessing it uses some sort of javascript solution with the text
content all held in the javascript?

One solution would be to put the content into the text of the page,
stick a div round each item and use CSS to hide it.

Then use Javascript to change the css on each div to 'visible' on
mouseover (you might even be able to do it with css a:hover, depending
on how your page is structured, and not use .js at all).

Run a search for 'css tooltips' for some ideas and tutorials on similar
technologies.

This will also give you the advantage that users without js will be able
to use it, even if it isn't as pretty for them.

This approach will put all your content into one monstrous page though,
which still isn't a great search engine strategy.

Search engines on the whole tend to like lots of pages all targeted at
one search each, rather than one big page with lots and lots of possible
search terms.

Victoria

Thanks Victoria.
This is the kind of solution I need ( I think )
I'm not very advanced on this but I'll certainly have a look at what you're
suggesting.

Thanks Again

Mick