page vs site

#1

Hi All,

Could you comment on these?

Sandbox effect is for the domain. New sites on new domains
are sandboxed, new pages on old domains are not.

Every page is optimized individually. If so, well optimized page
added to a not-sandboxed site may perform well in a short time.

What is banned - page, or a domain? From what I have read - whole
domain.

If someone uses black hat techniques for a page hosted on some
free service (a la geocities) - will it end in banning of the
whole site? Together with pages of all other users?

Googlebowling is done with massive linking to a particular page
- will it be able to down everything in a domain? Or will it affect
only the attacked page?

Best,
Borek
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#2

On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 19:01:53 +0200, Borek
<borek (AT) parts (DOT) bpp.to.com.remove.pl> wrote:

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Hi All,

Could you comment on these?

OK :-)

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Sandbox effect is for the domain. New sites on new domains
are sandboxed, new pages on old domains are not.

When you say sandbox you mean the Google ranking delay we see with new
domains then yes. I posted a couple of sites earlier that had new
pages on them that are performing well above expectations.

Quote:

Every page is optimized individually. If so, well optimized page
added to a not-sandboxed site may perform well in a short time.

Yes.

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What is banned - page, or a domain? From what I have read - whole
domain.

It various, you can have a site that is penalised and though still
findable with some searches in Google, it doesn't rank for anything a
real searcher would search for. So it's penalised rather than banned,
though they tend not to list all pages of a penalised site, so you
could argue some pages are banned out right.

Banned sites tend to have no pages indexed in Google (site:domain.com
will find no pages).

Also a site that's penalised may be on it's way to a full ban, just
not enough time has passed for all the site to be removed (can take 6+
months).

So there's basically two levels with everything in between, penalty
that prevents a site from ranking as well as it should, but pages are
still indexed and banned that removes all pages from the domain.

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If someone uses black hat techniques for a page hosted on some
free service (a la geocities) - will it end in banning of the
whole site? Together with pages of all other users?

Experience tells us no. I suspect most full bans have a manual
component, otherwise why would it take so long for the ban to be
initiated on so many sites. If it was automated you'd expect once you
do the bad thing the site is banned quite quickly.

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Googlebowling is done with massive linking to a particular page
- will it be able to down everything in a domain? Or will it affect
only the attacked page?

It's impossible to say. I know of a site where the owner bought lots
of site wide links (they didn't know any better), the site never
ranked well, didn't gain PR, but didn't show indications of a classic
ban/penalty. It was like those links didn't exist.

When they dropped the links and got some new links (still paid for,
but not site wide) few months later the site began to gain decent
traffic. This supports my belief the site that sold the links had been
penalised, none of it's external links passed PR.

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Best,
Borek

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#3

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:18:49 +0200, David
<seodave (AT) search-engine-optimization-services (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

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It's impossible to say. I know of a site where the owner bought lots
of site wide links (they didn't know any better), the site never
ranked well, didn't gain PR, but didn't show indications of a classic
ban/penalty. It was like those links didn't exist.

External site wide links are bad, that's nothing new.
At the same time internal site wide links should be OK?

Best,
Borek
--
http://www.chembuddy.com - chemical calculators for labs and education
BATE - program for pH calculations
CASC - Concentration and Solution Calculator
pH lectures - guide to hand pH calculation with examples

#4

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 01:25:20 +0200, Borek
<borek (AT) parts (DOT) bpp.to.com.remove.pl> wrote:

Quote:

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:18:49 +0200, David
seodave (AT) search-engine-optimizat...es (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

It's impossible to say. I know of a site where the owner bought lots
of site wide links (they didn't know any better), the site never
ranked well, didn't gain PR, but didn't show indications of a classic
ban/penalty. It was like those links didn't exist.

External site wide links are bad, that's nothing new.
At the same time internal site wide links should be OK?

Best,
Borek

Why are they bad Borek ?
I have sort-of site wide links from one site to another. (about 1/2
the site) but that is because many people visit through so many
different pages.

They have had a few extra sales because of it, and its not done to get
more IBLs for them either, but I don't want either site to be
penalized, but at the same time, I don't want them to lose sales.

plh
Paul

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#5

"Paul Burke" <webmaster (AT) houstoncrafts (DOT) com> wrote

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On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 01:25:20 +0200, Borek
borek (AT) parts (DOT) bpp.to.com.remove.pl> wrote:

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:18:49 +0200, David
seodave (AT) search-engine-optimizat...es (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

It's impossible to say. I know of a site where the owner bought lots
of site wide links (they didn't know any better), the site never
ranked well, didn't gain PR, but didn't show indications of a classic
ban/penalty. It was like those links didn't exist.

External site wide links are bad, that's nothing new.
At the same time internal site wide links should be OK?

Best,
Borek

Why are they bad Borek ?
I have sort-of site wide links from one site to another. (about 1/2
the site) but that is because many people visit through so many
different pages.

Yes, your own site wide links internally are not bad. If it was so most
sites out on the web would be penalized for having nav bars with the same
links on them.

Stacey

#6

On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 08:21:03 +0200, "Euro Stacey"
<stacey (AT) staceyssimplestuff (DOT) com> wrote:

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On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 01:25:20 +0200, Borek
borek (AT) parts (DOT) bpp.to.com.remove.pl> wrote:

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:18:49 +0200, David
seodave (AT) search-engine-optimizat...es (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

It's impossible to say. I know of a site where the owner bought lots
of site wide links (they didn't know any better), the site never
ranked well, didn't gain PR, but didn't show indications of a classic
ban/penalty. It was like those links didn't exist.

External site wide links are bad, that's nothing new.
At the same time internal site wide links should be OK?

Best,
Borek

Why are they bad Borek ?
I have sort-of site wide links from one site to another. (about 1/2
the site) but that is because many people visit through so many
different pages.

Yes, your own site wide links internally are not bad. If it was so most
sites out on the web would be penalized for having nav bars with the same
links on them.

Stacey

Stacey

I have 2000ish links from SITE A (my site) to SITE B (the other site)
The links to SITE B is just below the nav bar.
plh
Paul

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#7

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 02:04:27 +0200, Paul Burke
<webmaster (AT) houstoncrafts (DOT) com> wrote:

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External site wide links are bad, that's nothing new.
At the same time internal site wide links should be OK?

Why are they bad Borek ?
I have sort-of site wide links from one site to another. (about 1/2
the site) but that is because many people visit through so many
different pages.

Perhaps I should elaborate. They are not bad per se, but usually
they appear fast and in large quantities - so they are in the area
of link spamming/googlebowling and that makes them dangerous for
your SERPs.

Best,
Borek
--
http://www.chembuddy.com - chemical calculators for labs and education
BATE - program for pH calculations
CASC - Concentration and Solution Calculator
pH lectures - guide to hand pH calculation with examples

#8

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 09:11:32 +0200, Paul Burke
<webmaster (AT) houstoncrafts (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

External site wide links are bad, that's nothing new.
At the same time internal site wide links should be OK?

Yes, your own site wide links internally are not bad. If it was so most
sites out on the web would be penalized for having nav bars with the
same links on them.

I have 2000ish links from SITE A (my site) to SITE B (the other site)
The links to SITE B is just below the nav bar.

Probably history of accruing them plays some role too. Did they all
appear overnight? When the site B was new?

Best,
Borek
--
http://www.chembuddy.com - chemical calculators for labs and education
BATE - program for pH calculations
CASC - Concentration and Solution Calculator
pH lectures - guide to hand pH calculation with examples

#9

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 09:41:40 +0200, Borek
<borek (AT) parts (DOT) bpp.to.com.remove.pl> wrote:

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On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 09:11:32 +0200, Paul Burke
webmaster (AT) houstoncrafts (DOT) com> wrote:

External site wide links are bad, that's nothing new.
At the same time internal site wide links should be OK?

Yes, your own site wide links internally are not bad. If it was so most
sites out on the web would be penalized for having nav bars with the
same links on them.

I have 2000ish links from SITE A (my site) to SITE B (the other site)
The links to SITE B is just below the nav bar.

Probably history of accruing them plays some role too. Did they all
appear overnight? When the site B was new?

Best,
Borek

Hi Borek

Site B is about 14 months old ....... Site A, about 12.5 months.
I added them in batches, not all at once.
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#10

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 09:36:43 +0200, Borek
<borek (AT) parts (DOT) bpp.to.com.remove.pl> wrote:

Quote:

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 02:04:27 +0200, Paul Burke
webmaster (AT) houstoncrafts (DOT) com> wrote:

External site wide links are bad, that's nothing new.
At the same time internal site wide links should be OK?

Why are they bad Borek ?
I have sort-of site wide links from one site to another. (about 1/2
the site) but that is because many people visit through so many
different pages.

Perhaps I should elaborate. They are not bad per se, but usually
they appear fast and in large quantities - so they are in the area
of link spamming/googlebowling and that makes them dangerous for
your SERPs.

Best,
Borek

I checked some of my SERPS yesterday, and although the main ones have
dropped, I have had lesser ones rise (biggest was over 400 places)

It could also be the fact that I changed from html to xhtml as to why
I may have taken a hammering. I am just going to sit and ride the
storm for a while.

plh
Paul

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