Non relevant matches - room (huge) for improvement

I am wondering if anyone out there is working on a better search
engine, or on improving (vastly) an existing one. (I have an idea at
the bottom of this posting.)

Today I was trying to find a site that said (or even speculated) on if
and when the movie "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire" would be
released on VHS in the USA. After 2 hours I gave up, not having found
a single site. I spent 90% of this time on Google, and 10% on MSN.
This movie is out on DVD (March, 2006). As it is #8 in all-time
wordwide box office revenues, I'm sure someone mentions the VHS release
date on their site, or the fact that there won't be one.

If I search Google for: / "goblet of fire" VHS / the first match is
to http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0330373/. This page does not even
contain "vhs," and neither does the cached page. Google does this ALL
THE TIME.

If I add "release date" to the above search, the first match is to
http://scienceblog.com/store/23-4042...for_P SP.html
which is an ad for the format "UMD Mini for PSP." This page does
actually contain the words "vhs" - it's a link to a bunch of VHS's for
sale, not including the Goblet of Fire.

If I start over, and just search for (in general) "VHS release dates" -
the first two matches are for Star Wars, and the third match, titled
"Vhs release dates," takes you to a page of links about personals and
dating - http://7690.5uixte.info/.

Well I won't go on here for another two hours. My Triple Nine Society
IQ has not helped me think up relevant Google queries.

Maybe if someone has figured out Google they should write a parser to
rewrite queries to feed Google, so Google will return what they want -
if that's even possible.

(I have sort of figured Google out. I helped two different friends get
their pages within the top 3 spots on Google, with multiple simple and
relevant query strings, within 2 months (it takes time for others to
link to you, which is what I spent most of my time on), and without
spending a DIME. But I haven't figured it out well enough to discover
when I may be able to buy this movie on VHS...)

I have some ideas for Google - such as categorical exclusions or
inclusions. For example, you are searching for "soap" but you don't
want to buy it, so you don't want advertisements to show up (I'm not
talking about banner ads, etc., obviously) - you just get pages about
soap - history, manufacture, types, etc. Or maybe you just want the
ads. This particular category could be turned on/off by the website
developer by using html tags. The Google user just adds "-&ads", or
checks a box on the advanced page, or whatever. Google should come up
with 20 or so boolean categories, and define an html tag for them.
Website developers that completely fill that out that tag get their
pages ranked higher. If they EVER cheat, they get banned PERMANENTLY.
(So someone turns around and makes a page saying a little bit about
"soap," and they have a banner ad for some other company that is their
primary motive for maintaining the page. Well, that's advertising. They
would check two boxes, advertising, and informational (Needs
refinement. I'm not getting paid to do this... ) If it's random
banners, than it wouldn't be advertising. I think it's a lot more
practical for the website developers to be responsible for this (what
the content is)- I don't think Google can extract that information from
web pages - it seems you need to be fairly close to human to do that.

carl_m (AT) email (DOT) com wrote:

I am wondering if anyone out there is working on a better search
engine, or on improving (vastly) an existing one. (I have an idea at
the bottom of this posting.)

Today I was trying to find a site that said (or even speculated) on if
and when the movie "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire" would be
released on VHS in the USA. After 2 hours I gave up, not having found
a single site. I spent 90% of this time on Google, and 10% on MSN.
This movie is out on DVD (March, 2006). As it is #8 in all-time
wordwide box office revenues, I'm sure someone mentions the VHS release
date on their site, or the fact that there won't be one.

If I search Google for: / "goblet of fire" VHS / the first match is
to http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0330373/. This page does not even
contain "vhs," and neither does the cached page. Google does this ALL
THE TIME.

Sure it is. It's in an alt tag:

<img... alt="Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire VHS available at Amazon.com"..,

Check the page source - that's what Google sees.

If I add "release date" to the above search, the first match is to
http://scienceblog.com/store/23-4042...for_P SP.html
which is an ad for the format "UMD Mini for PSP." This page does
actually contain the words "vhs" - it's a link to a bunch of VHS's for
sale, not including the Goblet of Fire.

OK, it matched your criteria, didn't it?

If I start over, and just search for (in general) "VHS release dates" -
the first two matches are for Star Wars, and the third match, titled
"Vhs release dates," takes you to a page of links about personals and
dating - http://7690.5uixte.info/.

Nothing Google can really do about that. They try, but they're not perfect.

Well I won't go on here for another two hours. My Triple Nine Society
IQ has not helped me think up relevant Google queries.

Yes, it can be difficult, especially with the tricks people like to play to get
more hits.

Maybe if someone has figured out Google they should write a parser to
rewrite queries to feed Google, so Google will return what they want -
if that's even possible.

Probably not. Google does it's best. But it's still computer based, after all.

(I have sort of figured Google out. I helped two different friends get
their pages within the top 3 spots on Google, with multiple simple and
relevant query strings, within 2 months (it takes time for others to
link to you, which is what I spent most of my time on), and without
spending a DIME. But I haven't figured it out well enough to discover
when I may be able to buy this movie on VHS...)

Good for you.

I have some ideas for Google - such as categorical exclusions or
inclusions. For example, you are searching for "soap" but you don't
want to buy it, so you don't want advertisements to show up (I'm not
talking about banner ads, etc., obviously) - you just get pages about
soap - history, manufacture, types, etc. Or maybe you just want the
ads. This particular category could be turned on/off by the website
developer by using html tags. The Google user just adds "-&ads", or
checks a box on the advanced page, or whatever. Google should come up
with 20 or so boolean categories, and define an html tag for them.
Website developers that completely fill that out that tag get their
pages ranked higher. If they EVER cheat, they get banned PERMANENTLY.
(So someone turns around and makes a page saying a little bit about
"soap," and they have a banner ad for some other company that is their
primary motive for maintaining the page. Well, that's advertising. They
would check two boxes, advertising, and informational (Needs
refinement. I'm not getting paid to do this... ) If it's random
banners, than it wouldn't be advertising. I think it's a lot more
practical for the website developers to be responsible for this (what
the content is)- I don't think Google can extract that information from
web pages - it seems you need to be fairly close to human to do that.

The problem with this is - it depends on webmasters to follow the rules. And
the reason you're having all this trouble is because of webmasters breaking the
rules to try to fool Google into sending them more hits.

And even if these guys do get banned, no big deal Just open a new website under
a different domain and do it again.

It's like trying to stop SPAM. You can try all you want - but you can't do it.

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Fleeing from the madness of the http://groups.google.com jungle
<carl_m (AT) email (DOT) com> stumbled into
news:alt.internet.search-engines,alt.www.webmaster
and said:

I am wondering if anyone out there is working on a better search
engine, or on improving (vastly) an existing one.

believe it

...
Maybe if someone has figured out Google they should write a parser to
rewrite queries to feed Google, so Google will return what they want -
if that's even possible.

it's possible but AIUI doing so would contravene their TOS - no automation.


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http://williamtasso.com/words/what-is-usenet.asp

carl_m (AT) email (DOT) com wrote:

I am wondering if anyone out there is working on a better search
engine, or on improving (vastly) an existing one. (I have an idea at
the bottom of this posting.)

(major snip)

did you try flipping into the Google "News" search? did you try same on
Yahoo?

carl_m (AT) email (DOT) com wrote:

I am wondering if anyone out there is working on a better search
engine, or on improving (vastly) an existing one. (I have an idea at
the bottom of this posting.)

Today I was trying to find a site that said (or even speculated) on if
and when the movie "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire" would be
released on VHS in the USA. After 2 hours I gave up, not having found
a single site. I spent 90% of this time on Google, and 10% on MSN.
This movie is out on DVD (March, 2006). As it is #8 in all-time
wordwide box office revenues, I'm sure someone mentions the VHS release
date on their site, or the fact that there won't be one.

Try VHS release date.

But the amazon page says it all "The studio is currently not producing
this title"


Don't blame Google because you can't find information that DOESN'T EXIST.

If you're really that concerned about it, find one of the many Harry
Potter fan sites and ask around on their forums.

On Tue, 30 May 2006 10:15:27 -0700, Tony
<tony23 (AT) dslextreme (DOT) WHATISTHIS.com> wrote:

carl_m (AT) email (DOT) com wrote:
I am wondering if anyone out there is working on a better search
engine, or on improving (vastly) an existing one. (I have an idea at
the bottom of this posting.)

Today I was trying to find a site that said (or even speculated) on if
and when the movie "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire" would be
released on VHS in the USA. After 2 hours I gave up, not having found
a single site. I spent 90% of this time on Google, and 10% on MSN.
This movie is out on DVD (March, 2006). As it is #8 in all-time
wordwide box office revenues, I'm sure someone mentions the VHS release
date on their site, or the fact that there won't be one.

Try VHS release date.

But the amazon page says it all "The studio is currently not producing
this title"


Don't blame Google because you can't find information that DOESN'T EXIST.

If you're really that concerned about it, find one of the many Harry
Potter fan sites and ask around on their forums.

Or a wizard.

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