New found links and Google

Hi everyone,

I'dd like to know how fast new links have an influence in Google.

Say you receive a Google alert that new links to your site have been found,
does this mean your site receives the extra value derived from this links
instantly or does this only happen during other updates with larger
intervals?

Regards,
Steven

"Timmermans" <steventimmermans (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk> wrote

Hi everyone,

I'dd like to know how fast new links have an influence in Google.

Say you receive a Google alert that new links to your site have been
found,
does this mean your site receives the extra value derived from this links
instantly or does this only happen during other updates with larger
intervals?

I'd like to know how to get Google alerts!

But I think the answer to your question is that we are all at the merci of
the next Google database refresh. It used to happen regularly, like once a
month I think, but lately it's been quite contentious. I did still some
movement about a week ago in some of the sites I work on. But that seemed to
have settled down rather quickly and maybe it was just me thinking I saw
some shuffling. I'm in the SERP's everyday keeping a close eye on some
things and I don't keep very good records of my exact keyphrase searches
each time. So don't take my word for it but I would suspect that we should
get some movements within a couple of weeks.

Fred

"--Fred--" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

very good records of my exact keyphrase searches each time. So don't
take my word for it but I would suspect that we should get some
movements within a couple of weeks.

Shouldn't there be a PR update starting soon?

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On 16 Jan 2006 04:35:11 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

"--Fred--" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

very good records of my exact keyphrase searches each time. So don't
take my word for it but I would suspect that we should get some
movements within a couple of weeks.

Shouldn't there be a PR update starting soon?

Something is happening John.
Have you looked at your cached date on your homepage.
No doubt google caches yours every day too.

I have noticed this recently that it caches the page and shows it has
been cached on todays date. You check later or next day and it has
reverted back to an older date.

The sites (i've looked at) seem to be last cached on 5th jan - but
most are 30st dec - 1st jan.

May be something is going to happen. Last year we had it on jan 1st.

plh
Paul



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Paul B" <webmaster (AT) firstpeople (DOT) us> wrote

On 16 Jan 2006 04:35:11 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

"--Fred--" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

very good records of my exact keyphrase searches each time. So don't
take my word for it but I would suspect that we should get some
movements within a couple of weeks.

Shouldn't there be a PR update starting soon?

Something is happening John.
Have you looked at your cached date on your homepage.
No doubt google caches yours every day too.

I have noticed this recently that it caches the page and shows it has
been cached on todays date. You check later or next day and it has
reverted back to an older date.

The sites (i've looked at) seem to be last cached on 5th jan - but
most are 30st dec - 1st jan.

May be something is going to happen. Last year we had it on jan 1st.

My sites are getting respidered every second day, yet there is no movement
in rankings in my keyphrase competitions. Nothing moves but everything get
analyzed repeatedly. My hunch is that they are testing a new ranking system
again, something revolutionary again, and are not ready to release it to the
public yet.

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 23:50:45 -0500, "--Fred--"
<canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Paul B" <webmaster (AT) firstpeople (DOT) us> wrote in message
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On 16 Jan 2006 04:35:11 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

"--Fred--" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

very good records of my exact keyphrase searches each time. So don't
take my word for it but I would suspect that we should get some
movements within a couple of weeks.

Shouldn't there be a PR update starting soon?

Something is happening John.
Have you looked at your cached date on your homepage.
No doubt google caches yours every day too.

I have noticed this recently that it caches the page and shows it has
been cached on todays date. You check later or next day and it has
reverted back to an older date.

The sites (i've looked at) seem to be last cached on 5th jan - but
most are 30st dec - 1st jan.

May be something is going to happen. Last year we had it on jan 1st.

My sites are getting respidered every second day, yet there is no movement
in rankings in my keyphrase competitions. Nothing moves but everything get
analyzed repeatedly. My hunch is that they are testing a new ranking system
again, something revolutionary again, and are not ready to release it to the
public yet.

My rankings seem to drop, then go up, then drop yadda yadda yadda.

I dont know if Bigdaddy has anything to do with it, but things are
rather strange. We could do with another PR update. They should be
every two months IMO.

plh
Paul


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Paul B <webmaster (AT) firstpeople (DOT) us> wrote:

On 16 Jan 2006 04:35:11 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

"--Fred--" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

very good records of my exact keyphrase searches each time. So don't
take my word for it but I would suspect that we should get some
movements within a couple of weeks.

Shouldn't there be a PR update starting soon?

Something is happening John.

Yes, I had the feeling too: I had the impression that my pages pop up less
fast in Google. Maybe I am getting impatient :-D. I made a nice script to
check, so I'll run it tomorrow.

Have you looked at your cached date on your homepage.
No doubt google caches yours every day too.

I see no date right now, but the page seems to be from last month / begin
this month.

I have noticed this recently that it caches the page and shows it has
been cached on todays date. You check later or next day and it has
reverted back to an older date.

The sites (i've looked at) seem to be last cached on 5th jan - but
most are 30st dec - 1st jan.

Yup, same with my page.

May be something is going to happen. Last year we had it on jan 1st.

I am expecting a PR update around the 24th or so this month, so I am
curious of what others think :-D

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"Paul B" <webmaster (AT) firstpeople (DOT) us> wrote

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 23:50:45 -0500, "--Fred--"
canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Paul B" <webmaster (AT) firstpeople (DOT) us> wrote in message
news:iq8ms1leml0inj30hubtfg5gavb6eipls5 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On 16 Jan 2006 04:35:11 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

"--Fred--" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

very good records of my exact keyphrase searches each time. So don't
take my word for it but I would suspect that we should get some
movements within a couple of weeks.

Shouldn't there be a PR update starting soon?

Something is happening John.
Have you looked at your cached date on your homepage.
No doubt google caches yours every day too.

I have noticed this recently that it caches the page and shows it has
been cached on todays date. You check later or next day and it has
reverted back to an older date.

The sites (i've looked at) seem to be last cached on 5th jan - but
most are 30st dec - 1st jan.

May be something is going to happen. Last year we had it on jan 1st.

My sites are getting respidered every second day, yet there is no movement
in rankings in my keyphrase competitions. Nothing moves but everything get
analyzed repeatedly. My hunch is that they are testing a new ranking
system
again, something revolutionary again, and are not ready to release it to
the
public yet.


My rankings seem to drop, then go up, then drop yadda yadda yadda.

I dont know if Bigdaddy has anything to do with it, but things are
rather strange. We could do with another PR update. They should be
every two months IMO.

During what appeared to be the last refresh my sites seemed to peak and when
the rest of the sites were factored within a couple of days, then my sites
would drop until they reached a plateau, mostly still on first page of
results but some dropped to 4th page results ( that's what concerns me ) . I
see time and time again, sites that are way better built then others and
that get good PR's but still sink in the rankings whereas some of the
keyphrase competitors who have almost silly sites and practically no PR rank
highly and maintain their ranking for extended periods of time, with no
movement whatsoever.

I have one site whose primary keyphrase is "fly-in fishing" ( without the
quotes of course ). Check it out. On the first page of results there is a
forum posting with the keyphrase in the title ( in UPPERCASE to boot ) and
one instance of the keyphrase in the content. Well this boggles the mind. It
is one of those thing that have no explanation in my theories.

I reread the webmaster guidelines in Google frequently just in case they
reword something a little differently than before because although some of
my work is well rewarded, even in the most challenging competitions, other
rank dismally in what appears to be an easy take-over.

I think I'll just keep hanging around and go back to keeping my mouth shut
and try to learn something again, because I too am at my wits end.

Regards
Fred

Fred

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:30:01 -0500, "--Fred--"
<canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

"Paul B" <webmaster (AT) firstpeople (DOT) us> wrote in message
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 23:50:45 -0500, "--Fred--"
canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Paul B" <webmaster (AT) firstpeople (DOT) us> wrote in message
news:iq8ms1leml0inj30hubtfg5gavb6eipls5 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On 16 Jan 2006 04:35:11 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

"--Fred--" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

snip

I have one site whose primary keyphrase is "fly-in fishing" ( without the
quotes of course ). Check it out. On the first page of results there is a
forum posting with the keyphrase in the title ( in UPPERCASE to boot ) and
one instance of the keyphrase in the content. Well this boggles the mind. It
is one of those thing that have no explanation in my theories.

If it is the same one I am looking at, then I am surprised too.
No PR (on toolbar and looks like it wouldnt get much on next update
either)

poor coding.

I am surprised it even showed up in SERPs esp out of 1,900,000

I reread the webmaster guidelines in Google frequently just in case they
reword something a little differently than before because although some of
my work is well rewarded, even in the most challenging competitions, other
rank dismally in what appears to be an easy take-over.

I think I'll just keep hanging around and go back to keeping my mouth shut
and try to learn something again, because I too am at my wits end.

I know how you feel

Regards
Fred

Fred

plh

Paul


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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:30:01 -0500, "--Fred--"
canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:


"Paul B" <webmaster (AT) firstpeople (DOT) us> wrote in message
newssams1laitb9c3gsq4uaefj0gjibrgaggd (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 23:50:45 -0500, "--Fred--"
canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Paul B" <webmaster (AT) firstpeople (DOT) us> wrote in message
news:iq8ms1leml0inj30hubtfg5gavb6eipls5 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On 16 Jan 2006 04:35:11 GMT, John Bokma <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote:

"--Fred--" <canadian_web (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

snip

I have one site whose primary keyphrase is "fly-in fishing" ( without the
quotes of course ). Check it out. On the first page of results there is a
forum posting with the keyphrase in the title ( in UPPERCASE to boot ) and
one instance of the keyphrase in the content. Well this boggles the mind.
It
is one of those thing that have no explanation in my theories.

If it is the same one I am looking at, then I am surprised too.
No PR (on toolbar and looks like it wouldnt get much on next update
either)

0/10 and that page has been there since in the first page of results since
2004, hasn't moved.

poor coding.

and 0 back links too ? go figure, my site has a PR 4/10 with approx.
relevant 225 Backlinks some of them PR 3/10

I am surprised it even showed up in SERPs esp out of 1,900,000

Tough competition! Considering there are less than 5,000 searches a month,
very tough game.

I reread the webmaster guidelines in Google frequently just in case they
reword something a little differently than before because although some of
my work is well rewarded, even in the most challenging competitions, other
rank dismally in what appears to be an easy take-over.

I think I'll just keep hanging around and go back to keeping my mouth shut
and try to learn something again, because I too am at my wits end.

I know how you feel