Need feedback for research article

I am a freelance writer writing an article for a trade magazine that
will attempt to showcase the virtues of Search Engine Optimization. I
have been reading the new groups a lot and thought that you folks
might be willing to help me.

If you can spare a few moments please comment on the following
questions. You can answer them all or only the ones that you feel are
important. You can reply to this thread or email me directly. Any
comments that are used in the article will be credited back to the
author in the article. Please include your full name and a URL that
you would like to have printed with your comments in the event that
they are used. Thanks for your time.

Based on your own experience how long does it take before you start to
see the effects of a SEO campaign when you don't pay for keyword
placement?

Does your average SEO campaign involve ad words or other paid forms of
keyword ranking?

What are the top 3 - 5 problems (biggest first) faced by SEO experts
today?

Please describe the long term benefits of a well executed SEO
campaign.

Ryan Pedersen
pedersenryan (AT) gmail (DOT) com

Ryan Pedersen schreef :

I am a freelance writer writing an article for a trade magazine that
will attempt to showcase the virtues of Search Engine Optimization. I
have been reading the new groups a lot and thought that you folks
might be willing to help me.

If you can spare a few moments please comment on the following
questions. You can answer them all or only the ones that you feel are
important. You can reply to this thread or email me directly. Any
comments that are used in the article will be credited back to the
author in the article. Please include your full name and a URL that
you would like to have printed with your comments in the event that
they are used. Thanks for your time.

Based on your own experience how long does it take before you start to
see the effects of a SEO campaign when you don't pay for keyword
placement?

depends on location, target and age of site

Does your average SEO campaign involve ad words or other paid forms of
keyword ranking?

that's SEM

What are the top 3 - 5 problems (biggest first) faced by SEO experts
today?

i find the biggest problem is the fact that you can manipulate the
SERP's by only focussing on getting and exchanging links.

Please describe the long term benefits of a well executed SEO
campaign.

long term SEO? that's also a problem ...

Ryan Pedersen
pedersenryan (AT) gmail (DOT) com

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"Ryan Pedersen" <pedersenryan (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

I am a freelance writer writing an article for a trade magazine that
will attempt to showcase the virtues of Search Engine Optimization. I
have been reading the new groups a lot and thought that you folks
might be willing to help me.

If you can spare a few moments please comment on the following
questions. You can answer them all or only the ones that you feel are
important. You can reply to this thread or email me directly. Any
comments that are used in the article will be credited back to the
author in the article. Please include your full name and a URL that
you would like to have printed with your comments in the event that
they are used. Thanks for your time.

Based on your own experience how long does it take before you start to
see the effects of a SEO campaign when you don't pay for keyword
placement?

Depends on the terms being targetted, and the competition for them. The
amount of work, and therefore time taken for results, is directly
propotional what is needed to compete with those at the top of the index for
those terms.

Does your average SEO campaign involve ad words or other paid forms of
keyword ranking?

SEO is about natural search, as a result it takes time. Most clients want
results now. We find the best way is to provide SEM initially whilst
building the natural SEO results. Then gradually turn off the SEM as the
terms start to appear.

What are the top 3 - 5 problems (biggest first) faced by SEO experts
today?

1. Managing Customer Expectations.... they always think their tin pot little
site can get to the top of Google for the word "mortgage" within 6 months
and pay next to nothing to get there.
2. Content... getting the depth of copy and content from clients needed to
deliver "authority"
3. Link Building....once it was acceptable to reciprocate links, it was
acceptable to get sitewides, even have the same anchor text. Now you have to
be careful even buying links.

Please describe the long term benefits of a well executed SEO
campaign.

lots of traffic for not too much money. SEM has its place, but its like
renting your property - once you start you have to keep paying. With good
SEO it will take time, and as long as your SEO doesn't fall foul of a spam
filter (cos you are not doing it the way they want you to) the results will
remain consistent.

Matt
http://www.xseo.com

Ryan Pedersen
pedersenryan (AT) gmail (DOT) com

Ryan Pedersen wrote:

I am a freelance writer writing an article for a trade magazine that
will attempt to showcase the virtues of Search Engine Optimization. I
have been reading the new groups a lot and thought that you folks
might be willing to help me.

Hello Ryan,

Good luck with your article, I'm sure you'll get some good answers to
your questions. Below are mine.

Based on your own experience how long does it take before you start to
see the effects of a SEO campaign when you don't pay for keyword
placement?

If you have a good system in place, you can start seeing effects within
a week or so. It can take 1-3 months for the effects to really mature.

Does your average SEO campaign involve ad words or other paid forms of
keyword ranking?

Not right now, though it will likely be in the future.

What are the top 3 - 5 problems (biggest first) faced by SEO experts
today?

1. Inadvertantly running amuck of search engines and recieving
penalties that negate much of your work.
2. Competition. There's a lot of people going after the same dollars,
so it's getting harder and harder to get in the game.
3. Proving the value of SEO to clients. Because the best effects of SEO
are long-term, it's hard for clients to understand that the money they
put in now may not turn a profit for a while.

Please describe the long term benefits of a well executed SEO
campaign.

Search engine traffic, while it shouldn't be the only source of traffic
your site gets, is highly targeted and free. The more of this pie your
site can get, the better the overall effects. In contrast with paid
promotion of a site, the positive effects of SEO last a long time, and
often deepen and get more benefical as time goes by.

I hope that helps. Good luck!

Chris S.

Free Web Design Tools
http://www.impliedbydesign.com/free-...e-scripts.html

"Ryan Pedersen" <pedersenryan (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

I am a freelance writer writing an article for a trade magazine that
will attempt to showcase the virtues of Search Engine Optimization. I
have been reading the new groups a lot and thought that you folks
might be willing to help me.

If you can spare a few moments please comment on the following
questions. You can answer them all or only the ones that you feel are
important. You can reply to this thread or email me directly. Any
comments that are used in the article will be credited back to the
author in the article. Please include your full name and a URL that
you would like to have printed with your comments in the event that
they are used. Thanks for your time.

Based on your own experience how long does it take before you start to
see the effects of a SEO campaign when you don't pay for keyword
placement?

"An 'SEO campaign' is waste of time and at worst likely to get your web site
banned. The only worthwhile and effective campaign to suggest is improving
the content of your website such that is satisfies searchers better.
Changes to a web site to make it compatible with search engines are
comparitively minor technicalities - the guidelines from Google and MSN
should be followed.
see
http://www.google.co.uk/webmasters/guidelines.html
http://beta.search.msn.com/docs/site....htm&FORM=WGDD

Take particular note of the remarks about avoiding spam tricks and
participating in link schemes. Web pages with unique high added value
content and high searcher satisfaction will find search visitors coming
quickly, in a few hours in some cases. Sites with content of little added
value may never see search visitors since there is no point."

Does your average SEO campaign involve ad words or other paid forms of
keyword ranking?

"These have little to do with SEO. SEO just means following the guidelines
from Google and MSN. Adwords and other paid for advertising will just lead
visitors to your site. It won't make your site any better as satisfying
searchers."

What are the top 3 - 5 problems (biggest first) faced by SEO experts
today?

"1. Lack of a good enough knowledge to write decent answers and
explanations for the visitors.
2. Trying to get people who think SEO is come kind of trick or game to
understand instead that it is only about top quality content that satisfies
the searcher and getting a few technical guideline details correct."
3. Trying to get people to put the searcher first and answer their search
needs rather than selling anything. Encylopedias, dictionaries, school and
university text books do not have adverts on every page. A perfect search
site simply gives good answers to search queries."

Please describe the long term benefits of a well executed SEO
campaign.

"Any SEO campaign is irrelevent. Concentrate instead on novel quality
content that adds value"

You may quote me if you want, the name is Eric Johnston and you are welcome
to mention my SEO check list at http://www.satsig.net/seo-check-list.htm
Of greater importance however is to mention the two links above to the
official guidelines from Google and MSN.

Please don't say anything that will encourage more new spam web sites to be
set up or encourage reputable sites to move into the spam business or spam
linking schemes.

Ryan Pedersen
pedersenryan (AT) gmail (DOT) com

"Eric Johnston" <nospam (AT) redyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

"Ryan Pedersen" <pedersenryan (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message

[..]

Does your average SEO campaign involve ad words or other paid forms
of keyword ranking?

"These have little to do with SEO.

IMO not true. If the sole purpose of ad words is to get visitors that
*link* to your site, it's indeed SEO IMO, although YMMV.

SEO just means following the
guidelines from Google and MSN. Adwords and other paid for
advertising will just lead visitors to your site. It won't make your
site any better as satisfying searchers."

And that depends. If you're sure blogs will notice you and link to you
site, it's link building for SEO purposes :-D.

--
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Fox G Bar: http://johnbokma.com/firefox/google-...stomizing.html

__/ [ lesjkajski ] on Sunday 05 March 2006 19:07 \__

Ryan Pedersen schreef :
I am a freelance writer writing an article for a trade magazine that
will attempt to showcase the virtues of Search Engine Optimization. I
have been reading the new groups a lot and thought that you folks
might be willing to help me.

If you can spare a few moments please comment on the following
questions. You can answer them all or only the ones that you feel are
important. You can reply to this thread or email me directly. Any
comments that are used in the article will be credited back to the
author in the article. Please include your full name and a URL that
you would like to have printed with your comments in the event that
they are used. Thanks for your time.

Based on your own experience how long does it take before you start to
see the effects of a SEO campaign when you don't pay for keyword
placement?

depends on location, target and age of site

I concur with Ryan on that one. It's like asking, how long does it take a
company to attain its first million? What size is the company? You can't
quantify it in terms of numbers, but you could make up some rules of thumb.

Does your average SEO campaign involve ad words or other paid forms of
keyword ranking?

that's SEM

What are the top 3 - 5 problems (biggest first) faced by SEO experts
today?

i find the biggest problem is the fact that you can manipulate the
SERP's by only focussing on getting and exchanging links.

This is probably a bigger problem to search engines, actually.

Please describe the long term benefits of a well executed SEO
campaign.

long term SEO? that's also a problem ...

Short term benefit: site gets better positions in search engines and thus
more traffic. In the long term, the competition and the new generation of
ranking algorithm can annul the effect of SEO campaigns. SEO exploits
deficiencies and weaknesses of algorithms _at present_.

Best wishes,

Roy

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"John Bokma" <john (AT) castleamber (DOT) com> wrote

"Eric Johnston" <nospam (AT) redyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

"Ryan Pedersen" <pedersenryan (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message

[..]

Does your average SEO campaign involve ad words or other paid forms
of keyword ranking?

"These have little to do with SEO.

IMO not true. If the sole purpose of ad words is to get visitors that
*link* to your site, it's indeed SEO IMO, although YMMV.

John is right. Also why would someone not link? Linking is the main part of
SEO. SE's are built with site linking together, how can linking have very
little to do with it?:-) You don't have to pay for it though.

SEO just means following the
guidelines from Google and MSN. Adwords and other paid for
advertising will just lead visitors to your site. It won't make your
site any better as satisfying searchers."

And that depends. If you're sure blogs will notice you and link to you
site, it's link building for SEO purposes :-D.

I agree with John and will add if you have a link building campaign that is
SE friendly(SEO) then you won't have to pay for Adwords or other advertising
after your site becomes stable and indexed well.

Stacey
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Home Decor- http://eleganthomedecorandgifts.com/home-decor/
Flowers and Gift Baskets - http://flowerdeliveryplus.com

Hi Ryan,

This is a very complex subject with many aspects to consider. I do have
a website www.metamotion.co.uk which outlines a Six Step Plan which may
help with your research. Plus a resources section with links to a
wealth of content on the subject.

Kind regards,
Koolsteve.

"koolsteve" <steve (AT) metamotion (DOT) co.uk> wrote

Hi Ryan,

This is a very complex subject with many aspects to consider. I do have
a website www.metamotion.co.uk which outlines a Six Step Plan which may
help with your research. Plus a resources section with links to a
wealth of content on the subject.

Steve,

Is this going to the OP's posting? The way I found out is because of the Hi
Ryan" Anyway, you are now sounding like a broken record with your
advertisements! There are better ways to advertise your website. One way is
to give good sound advice and leave a sig.

Stacey
See advertisements below.
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Gifts for any Occasion- http://allgiftshop.net/occasion-gifts/
Home Decor- http://eleganthomedecorandgifts.com/home-decor/
Flowers and Gift Baskets - http://flowerdeliveryplus.com