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Clint
 
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Default are my tables causing a problem? - 11-03-2004 , 09:05 AM






I submitted my website to Yahoo and Google in August. As of today, if I
type in my company name Free Spirit Gallery, the listing shows up within a
few pages of each system. However, key phrases such as Inuit art will not
generate my listing yet. I heard recently that the use of tables might
disrupt things. I use tables from Dreamweaver to place my text and images
on my site. Is this causing a problem with ranking with key phrases other
than my company name?

Clint

Free Spirit Gallery
http://www.FreeSpiritGallery.ca



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Default Re: are my tables causing a problem? - 11-03-2004 , 10:35 AM







"Clint" <pepmax (AT) videotron (DOT) ca> wrote

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I submitted my website to Yahoo and Google in August. As of today, if I
type in my company name Free Spirit Gallery, the listing shows up within a
few pages of each system. However, key phrases such as Inuit art will not
generate my listing yet. I heard recently that the use of tables might
disrupt things. I use tables from Dreamweaver to place my text and images
on my site. Is this causing a problem with ranking with key phrases other
than my company name?

Clint

Free Spirit Gallery
http://www.FreeSpiritGallery.ca


If you look at your page source, you'll noticed that your text content is
right near the bottom. Using CSS for layout in an external file would be a
much, much better way to go.

Why are you using Java script and images for your navigation? AFAIK google
doesn't follow java script links. It's very easy to generate text navigation
rollovers in CSS. I can't see any H1 or H2 tags either.

Basically, your page seems to be 95% code and 5% content. It should be the
other way around.

Kind Regards

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Default Re: are my tables causing a problem? - 11-03-2004 , 11:37 AM



On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:05:42 -0500, "Clint" <pepmax (AT) videotron (DOT) ca>
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I submitted my website to Yahoo and Google in August. As of today, if I
type in my company name Free Spirit Gallery, the listing shows up within a
few pages of each system. However, key phrases such as Inuit art will not
generate my listing yet. I heard recently that the use of tables might
disrupt things. I use tables from Dreamweaver to place my text and images
on my site. Is this causing a problem with ranking with key phrases other
than my company name?
Not in the way you mean but you are suffering from code bloat with all
those empty table cells in there. You should strip out all the empty
stuff. The javascript should go in an external file and be referred to
from the code, that would save some space too. Where you have
alt="Free Spirit Gallery Homepage Inuit Art Northwest Native Art" I'd
cut it back to just "inuit art" in some and "eskimo art" in others.
When you have a zillion words in alt text it dilutes the relevance of
all of them.
That will do to be getting on with.

BB
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Default Re: are my tables causing a problem? - 11-03-2004 , 11:37 AM



On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:35:09 -0000, "Andrew Gibson" <sample (AT) sample (DOT) com>
wrote:

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"Clint" <pepmax (AT) videotron (DOT) ca> wrote in message
news:dB5id.59754$t45.2055608 (AT) weber (DOT) videotron.net...
I submitted my website to Yahoo and Google in August. As of today, if I
type in my company name Free Spirit Gallery, the listing shows up within a
few pages of each system. However, key phrases such as Inuit art will not
generate my listing yet. I heard recently that the use of tables might
disrupt things. I use tables from Dreamweaver to place my text and images
on my site. Is this causing a problem with ranking with key phrases other
than my company name?

Clint

Free Spirit Gallery
http://www.FreeSpiritGallery.ca



If you look at your page source, you'll noticed that your text content is
right near the bottom. Using CSS for layout in an external file would be a
much, much better way to go.

Why are you using Java script and images for your navigation? AFAIK google
doesn't follow java script links. It's very easy to generate text navigation
rollovers in CSS. I can't see any H1 or H2 tags either.

Basically, your page seems to be 95% code and 5% content. It should be the
other way around.
Er, yeah, what he said, too.

BB
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Default Re: are my tables causing a problem? - 11-03-2004 , 03:38 PM




"Andrew Gibson" <sample (AT) sample (DOT) com> wrote


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Why are you using Java script and images for your navigation? AFAIK google
doesn't follow java script links. It's very easy to generate text
navigation rollovers in CSS. Kind Regards

--
Andrew Gibson
Thanks for your comments Andrew. I'm not sure of an answer since I'm not a
programmer. I put together the site mainly with the Design mode in
Dreamweaver. The only time I ever even saw the word Java was during the
roll over images I used for the navigation and also copied a script to close
smaller windows. Are these elements the problem?

Clint

Free Spirit Gallery
http://www.FreeSpiritGallery.ca




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Default Re: are my tables causing a problem? - 11-03-2004 , 03:54 PM



Clint wrote:
Quote:
I submitted my website to Yahoo and Google in August. As of today,
if I type in my company name Free Spirit Gallery, the listing shows
up within a few pages of each system. However, key phrases such as
Inuit art will not generate my listing yet. I heard recently that
the use of tables might disrupt things. I use tables from
Dreamweaver to place my text and images on my site. Is this causing
a problem with ranking with key phrases other than my company name?

Clint

Free Spirit Gallery
http://www.FreeSpiritGallery.ca
Simply remove all the javascript.
A way to do this would be to restart each page as a blank and just copy the
visible text and images, and title, description and keywords. Keep all the
filenames unchanged. Make all the links proper links.

Best regards, Eric.




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Default Re: are my tables causing a problem? - 11-03-2004 , 05:28 PM



On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:38:22 -0500, "Clint" <pepmax (AT) videotron (DOT) ca>
wrote:

Quote:
"Andrew Gibson" <sample (AT) sample (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:4188fa8b$0$20212$cc9e4d1f (AT) news-text (DOT) dial.pipex.com...

Why are you using Java script and images for your navigation? AFAIK google
doesn't follow java script links. It's very easy to generate text
navigation rollovers in CSS. Kind Regards

--
Andrew Gibson

Thanks for your comments Andrew. I'm not sure of an answer since I'm not a
programmer. I put together the site mainly with the Design mode in
Dreamweaver. The only time I ever even saw the word Java was during the
roll over images I used for the navigation and also copied a script to close
smaller windows. Are these elements the problem?
May not be "a problem" but may not be needed either for the site. I am
speaking from a visual viewpoint more so than SEO one. <mini-rant>
But just 'cause Dreamweaver offers a button to click to "do that"
doesn't mean you need to "do that". Dreamweaver sites are almost as
easy to spot as FP ones as a good chunk of Dreamweaver sites have the
same roll-over code inserted. </mini-rant>

Anyway, you could use CSS and through it suggest the handling of the
navigation links. A rollover effect can be done with or without
images,

I wish I had my bookmarks to share some samples. I can only mentally
recall that some of the templates at www.GordonMac.com used CSS
rollover using background images for the nav links, though it could be
done without using background images for those links also.

Carol




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Default Re: are my tables causing a problem? - 11-04-2004 , 07:06 PM




"Eric Johnston" <nospam (AT) redyonder (DOT) co.uk> wrote

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Simply remove all the javascript.
Keep all the
filenames unchanged. Make all the links proper links.

Best regards, Eric.
Thank all for your comments. I have done away with all the tables and
switched them all back to the original Dreamweaver layers. I also changed
the nav bar to text links with the roll over effects driven by CSS rather
than use images and javascript. This had indeed cut down a lot of code. I
left some of the pages not really intended for search engine optimization as
they are since they will eventually be deleted as product is sold.

I understand that layers are not supported by browsers less than version 4
but I hope that it won't cause a big problem for me now that we are in late
2004.

Clint

Free Spirit Gallery
http://www.FreeSpiritGallery.ca




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